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Article from Oct 2 2010, doubt they have increased their wages much more since.

Who in the US do you know that would find that wage acceptable? If they got paid regular US min wage that would be about 4x more than they pay someone overseas.

Do you think the company or the consumer would take that hit?

Even with a US worker the other costs involving making the phone are still substantially larger than the costs of labor for it. I doubt the labor costs involved equal anymore than a dollar or two with a US worker and certainly are below that in China. This isn't a car or something that takes hours to assemble. Its a matter of minutes. A group of ten workers probably gets hundreds of phones out an hour. So even if those ten workers made 10 an hour, it would cost less than 100 dollars to make those hundred phones coming out to 1 dollar per phone. I haven't seen any prices go down from outsourcing because the companies never pass the savings to the consumer. They keep those savings.
 
But that's not what you said, you said it was fake. So either Apple put it there and it's real or somebody faked it. And since multiple sources verified it, it's not fake.



9.7M people live in Seoul. And once again, that's not the argument. You said only the US had LTE. Then when you included other nations you left out Korea as well as Canada. Just trying to inform you that even others exist. I never claimed it to be nationwide.

Don't put words in my mouth mate, I said it was VERIFIED NOT CONFIRMED. I did NOT STATE IT WAS FAKE.

And Seoul is NOT Nationwide. It is not the whole of Korea is it. Seoul probably has tech you can only dream of! Let alone 4G. But one city does not warrant an entire COUNTRY as having 4G. And I specified countries.
 
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The name 4S doesn't make any sense.

3GS was okay because 3G refers to the network.

4 refers to the fact it is the 4th iPhone.

This will be the 5th generation iPhone, and including 4 in the title doesn't make sense.
 
He didnt say it was fake. I did.

Don't put word in my mouth mate, I said it was VERIFIED NOT CONFIRMED. I dit NOT STATE IT WAS FAKE.

Oops. :eek:

And Seoul is NOT Nationwide. It is not the whole of Korea is it. Seoul probably has tech you can only dream of! Let alone 4G. But one city does not warrant an entire COUNTRY as having 4G. And I specified countries.

Once again, I never said it was nationwide. I said Korea had it.

You do realize that Seoul is part of Korea, correct? And if Seoul has LTE, then Korea has LTE? Right?

If you want to say every square inch of the country is covered, then you'd have to leave out 3G as well.

The point is, while LTE is not exactly ubiquitous, it's more widely spread than you originally stated and it's growing quickly.
 
I just got back from my local Verizon store. The owner told me that the iPhone 5 will in fact have a larger screen than the iP4 and a better camera (duh). He also said Verizon stores are not slated to receive any white iPhones until later in the year. He hinted that they will begin receiving iPhone shipments in mid-October.

And no, I am not trolling.

WOW, your Verizon Franchise owner knows more than the District Manager for my area??

How foolish is he going to be when no such thing is announced??

Can you give me his name and number so I can call him and tell him Tuesday AM??
 
WOW, your Verizon Franchise owner knows more than the District Manager for my area??

How foolish is he going to be when no such thing is announced??

Can you give me his name and number so I can call him and tell him Tuesday AM??


My old DM at Sprint used to think he could unlock iPhone 3Gs for use on our network and actively tell customers that to get them to switch from AT&T.

My point? District Managers are usually no better than the reps they supervise. Usually.
 
Yeah, I'm gonna go with the most realistic scenario being an iPhone 4S moving into the top spot and the regular iPhone 4 moving to the $99 spot, except they needed to fix the antenna/make it a world phone so they gave it a new model number. I really hope though that they are just being awesome at keeping the teardrop design under wraps and will surprise us with it on Tues. Or maybe they were planning on releasing it but it got pushed back to next year because of problems. Who knows. Really wasn't expecting them to go with the 4S name though, which almost makes me think they are hiding something.
 
Yeah, I'm gonna go with the most realistic scenario being an iPhone 4S moving into the top spot and the regular iPhone 4 moving to the $99 spot, except they needed to fix the antenna/make it a world phone so they gave it a new model number. I really hope though that they are just being awesome at keeping the teardrop design under wraps and will surprise us with it on Tues. Or maybe they were planning on releasing it but it got pushed back to next year because of problems. Who knows. Really wasn't expecting them to go with the 4S name though, which almost makes me think they are hiding something.

Hiding something like what?

And teardrop design is terrible ergonomically. There's a reason phones are symmetrical.
 
re original article

as aerosmith has said - "dream on..."

ip5 redesign - not till 2012 - a long ways off

too bad aapl now has to watch its back against samsung galaxy sii lte - nexus prime and htc et.al offerings - the phones on steroids
 
iPhone 4S is going to be the mid-range out of the three.

The "S" stands for: Slide-out keyboard. Minds blown!

iPhone 4 sells for $99. iPhone 5 with A5 chip + 4G (LTE, HSPA+, etc)
 
So America and Canada have HSDPA, I was thinking of LTE when thinking 4G. And also speed:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4G

4G is considered to be speeds of 100mbits:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-Speed_Downlink_Packet_Access

We aren't getting 4G for another 2 years or more... But from googling America, Norway and Sweden have 4G.

But anyway, it is still pointless for Apple to include it in the iPhone at present.


AT&T just launched LTE in 5 cities (Chicago, Atlanta, Houston, Dallas, and San Antonio), but the only device that they sell right now that can use it is a wireless modem. The rumor is that the next iPhone will have HSPA+, which T-Mobile markets as 4G in the US (though they don't have the iPhone). AT&T has HSPA+, as well, and calls it "4G speed" if it has "enhanced backhaul." Verizon is launching LTE, and that's also Sprint's long term plans, but unfortunately the three major carriers all use different frequencies.

I agree it won't be until next year at the earliest that the iPhone has anything better than HSPA+.
 
Much of the value of Apple's stock is due to the iPhones. Built into the price is the expectation that Apple will sell something like 30m of these new phones. I think that requires a wow factor and a redesign with a bigger screen. We will see, but why would Apple NOT redesign with a bigger screen? We will see Tuesday.

Because the popularity of the iP4 and iP3GS suggest that not all that many people want a larger screen.
 
Thats what I am saying. just less than 24 hours away! maybe all the rumors are wrong. who knows.

less than 24 hours away?? what are you talking about? wake up buddy..wake up..
well over 24 hours to go.. 37 hours and 50 minutes to be precise..
 
Various problems with iOS4 on 3GS iPhone

I'm using 3GS iOS4 and it's fine. Obviously not quite as smooth as iP4 but all the problems you listed simply don't happen to me. I think you should get your phone checked out. Have you dropped the phone in water or on something hard? Have you left it to bake in the sun or in a freezing cold place?
 
The name 4S doesn't make any sense.

3GS was okay because 3G refers to the network.

4 refers to the fact it is the 4th iPhone.

This will be the 5th generation iPhone, and including 4 in the title doesn't make sense.

So if it includes "4G LTE speed it can't be called the iPhone 4S or 4GS???
 
The name 4S doesn't make any sense.

3GS was okay because 3G refers to the network.

4 refers to the fact it is the 4th iPhone.

This will be the 5th generation iPhone, and including 4 in the title doesn't make sense.

Makes more sense than iPhone 5 if you are trying to include the network into your argument.

It's obvious that Apple has decided to name their phone models off of the body style. New body style = new phone model #. Anything else will only add some designation letter.
 
Chill, bro, it's just the internet.


Then clearly you shouldn't be on this website.

I can be on any Rumors site, I can do without the Whining, Wild Speculation and childish behavior.

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My old DM at Sprint used to think he could unlock iPhone 3Gs for use on our network and actively tell customers that to get them to switch from AT&T.

My point? District Managers are usually no better than the reps they supervise. Usually.

I was using...."Sarcasm"
 
Makes more sense than iPhone 5 if you are trying to include the network into your argument.

It's obvious that Apple has decided to name their phone models off of the body style. New body style = new phone model #. Anything else will only add some designation letter.

It's obvious that they don't name the phones after the body style, but rather the whole idea of something "new". The body style just comes with it.

3GS -> better screen, better internals, better software. Are you going ot sell that with the same plastic/glass shell? Nope.

3G-> 3GS better internals. Are you going to design a whole new body and market it for only a spec bump? nope.

THe appearance is just as important (To apple) as what's inside the phone, but you cannot simply attribute the numbering to a design. There are many more factors to consider.
 
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