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I am sure Apple is fine with a certain amount of people keeping their phones for 4 years, but they certainly wouldn't be making the money they are if a few hundred million people suddenly decided to adopt this strategy. Are the sorts of people who only change their iPhones once the battery is degraded or after the device has slowed down, the sorts of people that then suddenly drop £1200-£1759 on an iPhone though?

How does your explanation/defence of Apple's monetary strategy relate to you or I though? We all know they are a business and only interested in making immense amounts of money but why can't we complain that we feel short changed by incremental innovations and rising retails costs? I don't know of any other brand on earth where a company can offer small updates, but survive on their brand strength and have so many people celebrate them because they are making so much money. It seems alien to me, and I like to make sure I am getting the most for my money as a consumer.

I wouldn't buy a folding phone even if they did make one and think that is more driven by the Asian markets. Too much to break and no essential need here for a phone that unfolds into an iPad. I can't comment about the US market too much, but know the iPhone is the major player there whereas in Europe we have a wider choice with Android with iPhone only occupying 26% marketshare. The iPhone doesn't have a aspirational brand status in Western Europe because it is still a widely used brand despite being used by less users. The wealth scale is higher here than developing countries.

Apple's fine with you keeping your iPhone for 4 years. They're selling you services along the way. They sell the SE3 for $429 which is their budget entry and the margins may be lower than the high-end phones but they have you in the ecosystem, and you may buy a watch, earbuds, and pay for apps. They will also sell you accessories and battery replacements should you decide to keep it for many years.

I love folding phones. I really enjoyed my Moto Razr back in 2005. I wish they sold that with modern radios as it would be a nice device for running with.
 
Temporary.

China's economy and demography are collapsing. Just by demographics alone, China's popluation in 2050 will be half of what it is today. This is not a question/speculation, it's just a fact of time passing and their population curve being an invert pyramid.

china-2025-v3.jpg


Here is what a traditional demography looks like:

10-chinapopulation-1980-01-scaled-1024x711.jpg



China recently revised their population stats-- in the first graph, the people in the yellow bars likely don't even exist (formally were over counted).

And the situation is only getting worse. Not only are there less people in there 20/30s to have kids at this point, but they're having less kids than ever before:

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Even if China started forcing every woman to have 5 each children today, their gains from that wouldn't be seen for 20 years. Their system is already going to be utterly destroyed by having an unprecedented number of dependents (elderly that need to be supported) to working age people. Having hundreds of millions of babies/kids for 20 years in addition to that is untenable-- plus would force half the population to not work, to care for them, which would further decimate their economy.

That said, they're not (at least yet) forcing women to have children. Birth rate to sustain a level population in a developed country is 2.1. China's current birth rate is 1.09 (and, as seen above, dropping).

So, yeah-- this strikes me as a temporary situation.
 
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These aren't the people that Singapore is looking for.
Well first off thank you for cutting pasting all that crap. Second I would love to answer a lot of the questions that you post it in that cut-and-paste monstrosity. All do respect. But a lot of the information you’re saying is old and it’s just not the Chinese to Singaporeans want is other countries wealthy people that’s been going on for the last 30 years. Many Japanese companies have sent families to live there to represent Japanese businesses. Hoping the Japanese companies will establish companies within Singapore‘s economy toward a more higher extent. But this is about the Chinese not Japanese. A lot of the information about Chinese spending tons of money on frivolous garbage is past tense they don’t do that anymore as much and those people who are elite are far in between. All do respect Monstrosity cut and paste which I can read on YouTube anytime I want.Does not explain the boom of iPhones bought in China is just in the fact after what the last three years the country has withstood which is the virus. This is a phenomenon that’s going on in all countries in even Japan we were having mini fallout of people buying things experiencing things etc. because they did not have the ability to do it. A lot is due to the pandemic
 
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You don't sound like you're talking from a consumer point of view with that opinion to be fair, you sound like you're justifying it because it is financially beneficial to you and your shares.
I don't own any Apple shares. Never have, so I have zero vested interest in how well Apple does financially. My interest is solely in using what I think I know and understand about Apple over the years to try and explain why they do the things they do, and just how it is that they have continued to become so financially successful in the face of conventional wisdom.

It's easy to go down the rabbit hole of complaining how Apple seems to be overcharging us for every little thing and how things would be so much better if only their ram / storage upgrades were cheaper, their pro model was actually their base model (and priced accordingly as well), just how everything was cheaper in general. But then I feel it just becomes an echo chamber, where Apple is treated as any other company, and its unique attributes are not allowed to speak for itself or recognise how Apple is able to set itself apart from the competition.

For example, cheaper, better-specced android handsets don't seem to be doing so well on the market. And maybe the issue is that specs are just specs, and is not necessarily a guarantee of how well a device actually performs. Is the software actually optimised to take advantage of that third camera, or is just there to not appear inferior to other competing android handsets?

In contrast, I will argue that because Apple has its own ecosystem and is the only company that uses iOS, they don't have to go down the same "race to the bottom" as the rest of the competition. This frees them to focus on what really matters - the end user experience. For example, Apple doesn't need to include 12 gb of ram in an iPhone just because a Samsung phone has it. They can include 4 or 6 gb, knowing that software optimisation will handle the rest, and consumers are not going to compare the amount of ram an iPhone has to a Samsung phone the way they might between a Samsung and an Oppo phone. And I am still assured 5 years of software updates minimum.

We have seen this play out numerous times in the past. The A7 chip in the iPhone 5s focused on 2 faster cores over the Snapdragon's 4 slower ones (or heck, even the Exynos' 8 cores), which allowed for better performance and power efficiency. For the longest time, Apple prioritised larger camera pixels over more megapixels (their cameras still max out at 12mp). Even today, iPhones sport just 1 form of biometric authentication (either touch or Face ID, backed by Secure Enclave, each of which remains the gold standard) compared to android phones having multiple options, all of which seem to suffer from varying lack of security. The last one is particularly telling - am I better off with 4 insecure ways of unlocking my phone, or 1 extremely secure method?

I will also argue that Apple does innovate, and perhaps it is us who need to expand our definition of just what meaningful innovation entails. Take their fall / crash detection, satellite relay and ECG features for example. We have already seen multiple news reports of how they have saved lives, and they will continue to save lives in the future. It also belies the hardware / software integration and the infrastructure that goes into making these seemingly innocuous features work, which is something android OEMs simply lack the resources to do, much less do properly.

I hear you on your wanting a third camera on your iPhone without having to spring for the costlier pro model, but also encourage you to look beyond such superficial comparisons.
How does your explanation/defence of Apple's monetary strategy relate to you or I though? We all know they are a business and only interested in making immense amounts of money but why can't we complain that we feel short changed by incremental innovations and rising retails costs? I don't know of any other brand on earth where a company can offer small updates, but survive on their brand strength and have so many people celebrate them because they are making so much money. It seems alien to me, and I like to make sure I am getting the most for my money as a consumer.
I guess for me, it goes back to the hackneyed adage of "price vs value".

Apple's ecosystem is designed around people that easily spend money. It's a common trope around here that Apple gear is overpriced (which I disagree with) but given that, and their financials which are unlike any other comparable company, you can only conclude that Apple buyers spend money - a lot of it. 



I'm end-to-end Apple gear. A lot of the people around me are as well. I don't want to dick around with cobbling some system together, deal with any more accounts than I already have (200+ passwords in my 1Password - welcome to adulthood), or deal with security issues. I work hard (or so I like to think) and make decent money, and at this point in my life, I just want things to be easy more than I want them to be cheap.

I am Apple's target market. Is Apple Music lower quality or more expensive? I literally don't care. I just want to be able to pull up a song on my watch and stream it to my airpods no matter where I am. That's it. I'll pay more for it. I don't have to install an app. It's available on my Apple TV. I can airplay it to damn near everything.



This is what Apple does. They rarely beat competitors on the bullet list, but when it comes to "look at your phone and all your stuff is unlocked", they're unbeatable. They play the system integration game better than anyone else, and if it costs a few bucks more, I'm happy to pay it, because while my Apple devices do tend to cost more upfront, my experience is that they quickly pay for themselves in the form of fewer problems and greater productivity overall.

That's what I am paying for at the end of the day. Not specs, but a solution that just works. And if Apple is able to offer me a better solution despite having worse specs on paper, then so be it.
 
Apple's fine with you keeping your iPhone for 4 years. They're selling you services along the way. They sell the SE3 for $429 which is their budget entry and the margins may be lower than the high-end phones but they have you in the ecosystem, and you may buy a watch, earbuds, and pay for apps. They will also sell you accessories and battery replacements should you decide to keep it for many years.

I love folding phones. I really enjoyed my Moto Razr back in 2005. I wish they sold that with modern radios as it would be a nice device for running with.
People obviously do buy their services even if I don't. I do buy a watch every 4 or 5 years though. If I was the type of person to keep an iPhone for 4 years, Apple would be the last place I'd take it for a battery replacement though, theres plenty of repair services in most towns that do that for a fraction of the price. The last app I purchased was in 2012 and that was Tapatalk and I've viewed this forum on it ever since. Most apps are free these days.
 
Temporary.

China's economy and demography are collapsing. Just by demographics alone, China's popluation in 2050 will be half of what it is today. This is not a question/speculation, it's just a fact of time passing and their population curve being an invert pyramid.

china-2025-v3.jpg


Here is what a traditional demography looks like:

10-chinapopulation-1980-01-scaled-1024x711.jpg



China recently revised their population stats-- in the first graph, the people in the yellow bars likely don't even exist (formally were over counted).

And the situation is only getting worse. Not only are there less people in there 20/30s to have kids at this point, but they're having less kids than ever before:

61f9e53beb83c87c0efa838c_08eCv3Es2HOL4x7RnNewpuTEarMKJrR159hLmpzjMEhIwWkUbZ9WbycwZ7HeC_MSDCYjOBIQaznXoH0gvUJEHN6Y2vdFXaKC5ydBbg2tYRP3GcKWlcpYgIbxwhAWChEODHLsQAlquxidL8o3x8gjygqil4eInA%3Ds0-d-e1-ft.jpeg


Even if China started forcing every woman to have 5 each children today, there gains from that wouldn't be seen for 20 years. Their system is already going to be utterly destroyed by having an unprecedented number of dependents (elderly that need to be supported) to working age people. Having hundreds of millions of babies/kids for 20 years in addition to that is untenable-- plus would force half the population to not work, to care for them, which would further decimate their economy.

That said, they're not (at least yet) forcing women to have children. Birth rate to sustain a level population in a developed country is 2.1. China's current birth rate is 1.09 (and, as seen above, dropping).

So, yeah-- this strikes me as a temporary situation.

This is happening in a good chunk of the world - reference is Neil Howe's book, The Fourth Turning is Here. He speculates that countries will have to bid or view for immigrants in the future and that they will have to make their countries attractive to those looking to emigrate.

 
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People obviously do buy their services even if I don't. I do buy a watch every 4 or 5 years though. If I was the type of person to keep an iPhone for 4 years, Apple would be the last place I'd take it for a battery replacement though, theres plenty of repair services in most towns that do that for a fraction of the price. The last app I purchased was in 2012 and that was Tapatalk and I've viewed this forum on it ever since. Most apps are free these days.

We brought a phone and replaced the battery this week on an iPhone 8. $69. Yes, a kiosk would probably do it for $30 but I also like to walk around the store and look at the products there. There were a bunch of phones in line waiting for replacements so we had to wait about 90 minutes so it seems like a lot of people get their batteries replaced at The Apple Store.
 
Well first off thank you for cutting pasting all that crap. Second I would love to answer a lot of the questions that you post it in that cut-and-paste monstrosity. All do respect. But a lot of the information you’re saying is old and it’s just not the Chinese to Singaporeans want is other countries wealthy people that’s been going on for the last 30 years. Many Japanese companies have sent families to live there to represent Japanese businesses. Hoping the Japanese companies will establish companies within Singapore‘s economy toward a more higher extent. But this is about the Chinese not Japanese. A lot of the information about Chinese spending tons of money on frivolous garbage is past tense they don’t do that anymore as much and those people who are elite are far in between. All do respect Monstrosity cut and paste which I can read on YouTube anytime I want.Does not explain the boom of iPhones bought in China is just in the fact after what the last three years the country has withstood which is the virus. This is a phenomenon that’s going on in all countries in even Japan we were having mini fallout of people buying things experiencing things etc. because they did not have the ability to do it. A lot is due to the pandemic

I had two people on the ground in Singapore report it to me this year so it's fresh in my mind. The only podcast that I follow in Singapore is The Daily Ketchup and they usually don't talk about economic matters - I guess things are going well there.

On iPhones - I assume that it's their great reopening, somewhat delayed from the west.

I've worked with a lot of people from China and they frequently bought iPhones here to bring back with them. Or their relatives bought them here when they came to visit. We've had this thing at our local Apple Store where there was a special line for Chinese to line up to buy iPhones. I assumed that they were bringing them back to China or otherwise selling them to export them. I don't really get why people from China would prefer iPhones from the US when they can buy them there.

We've had cases where people bought bulk quantities of iPhones in the store too.

The woman, Xiaojie Li, a Chinese national who lives in Newton, Mass., bought two iPhone 5s last Friday at the Apple Store in Nashua’s Pheasant Lane Mall and was told when she tried to purchase more that she’d reached Apple’s (AAPL) two-per-customer limit. When she made a video of other customers she claimed had bought more than two units, Apple staffers asked her to leave.

According to police, Li was carrying about $16,000 in cash when she was arrested. She said she was buying the phones for relatives in China. Even if she was an iPhone 5 reseller, her boyfriend told a WCVB reporter, “does it rise to the level of getting a beating from police?”


 
I don't own any Apple shares. Never have, so I have zero vested interest in how well Apple does financially. My interest is solely in using what I think I know and understand about Apple over the years to try and explain why they do the things they do, and just how it is that they have continued to become so financially successful in the face of conventional wisdom.

It's easy to go down the rabbit hole of complaining how Apple seems to be overcharging us for every little thing and how things would be so much better if only their ram / storage upgrades were cheaper, their pro model was actually their base model (and priced accordingly as well), just how everything was cheaper in general. But then I feel it just becomes an echo chamber, where Apple is treated as any other company, and its unique attributes are not allowed to speak for itself or recognise how Apple is able to set itself apart from the competition.

For example, cheaper, better-specced android handsets don't seem to be doing so well on the market. And maybe the issue is that specs are just specs, and is not necessarily a guarantee of how well a device actually performs. Is the software actually optimised to take advantage of that third camera, or is just there to not appear inferior to other competing android handsets?

In contrast, I will argue that because Apple has its own ecosystem and is the only company that uses iOS, they don't have to go down the same "race to the bottom" as the rest of the competition. This frees them to focus on what really matters - the end user experience. For example, Apple doesn't need to include 12 gb of ram in an iPhone just because a Samsung phone has it. They can include 4 or 6 gb, knowing that software optimisation will handle the rest, and consumers are not going to compare the amount of ram an iPhone has to a Samsung phone the way they might between a Samsung and an Oppo phone. And I am still assured 5 years of software updates minimum.

We have seen this play out numerous times in the past. The A7 chip in the iPhone 5s focused on 2 faster cores over the Snapdragon's 4 slower ones (or heck, even the Exynos' 8 cores), which allowed for better performance and power efficiency. For the longest time, Apple prioritised larger camera pixels over more megapixels (their cameras still max out at 12mp). Even today, iPhones sport just 1 form of biometric authentication (either touch or Face ID, backed by Secure Enclave, each of which remains the gold standard) compared to android phones having multiple options, all of which seem to suffer from varying lack of security. The last one is particularly telling - am I better off with 4 insecure ways of unlocking my phone, or 1 extremely secure method?

I will also argue that Apple does innovate, and perhaps it is us who need to expand our definition of just what meaningful innovation entails. Take their fall / crash detection, satellite relay and ECG features for example. We have already seen multiple news reports of how they have saved lives, and they will continue to save lives in the future. It also belies the hardware / software integration and the infrastructure that goes into making these seemingly innocuous features work, which is something android OEMs simply lack the resources to do, much less do properly.

I hear you on your wanting a third camera on your iPhone without having to spring for the costlier pro model, but also encourage you to look beyond such superficial comparisons.

I guess for me, it goes back to the hackneyed adage of "price vs value".

Apple's ecosystem is designed around people that easily spend money. It's a common trope around here that Apple gear is overpriced (which I disagree with) but given that, and their financials which are unlike any other comparable company, you can only conclude that Apple buyers spend money - a lot of it. 



I'm end-to-end Apple gear. A lot of the people around me are as well. I don't want to dick around with cobbling some system together, deal with any more accounts than I already have (200+ passwords in my 1Password - welcome to adulthood), or deal with security issues. I work hard (or so I like to think) and make decent money, and at this point in my life, I just want things to be easy more than I want them to be cheap.

I am Apple's target market. Is Apple Music lower quality or more expensive? I literally don't care. I just want to be able to pull up a song on my watch and stream it to my airpods no matter where I am. That's it. I'll pay more for it. I don't have to install an app. It's available on my Apple TV. I can airplay it to damn near everything.



This is what Apple does. They rarely beat competitors on the bullet list, but when it comes to "look at your phone and all your stuff is unlocked", they're unbeatable. They play the system integration game better than anyone else, and if it costs a few bucks more, I'm happy to pay it, because while my Apple devices do tend to cost more upfront, my experience is that they quickly pay for themselves in the form of fewer problems and greater productivity overall.

That's what I am paying for at the end of the day. Not specs, but a solution that just works. And if Apple is able to offer me a better solution despite having worse specs on paper, then so be it.
Maybe I am becoming less of their target market as I get older then. The funny thing is I have more disposable income now than any other point in my life, yet scrutinise the things in life that are rising in cost. Could I afford a brand new iPhone, iPad, Apple Watch etc every year? Of course, but I begrudge the way we are being driven in the direction of little change and higher prices. I probably shouldn't follow tech updates so much and adopt the mentality most people I know have where they replace things when it is needed as they aren't tech enthusiasts. I would certainly be less disappointed. Much of what you explain is stuff I already know as I've been on this forum for many years and we discuss the in's and out's to death, which you will appreciate, but thanks for your time.
 
We brought a phone and replaced the battery this week on an iPhone 8. $69. Yes, a kiosk would probably do it for $30 but I also like to walk around the store and look at the products there. There were a bunch of phones in line waiting for replacements so we had to wait about 90 minutes so it seems like a lot of people get their batteries replaced at The Apple Store.
I live 40 miles away frm an Apple store so it is a bit different in my case. I don't usually keep a phone longer than 2 years so have never replaced a battery. If it fails in under 2 years then Apple would be replacing it for free anyway and I would do that via post. Not sure what Apple Stores are like in other countries, but the one in Cardiff is hell on earth. It is the one shop I will happily walk past and not go in unless I have to as it is full all the time and mostly with people who are playing on the devices and generally making the experience an absolute shocker.
 
I live 40 miles away frm an Apple store so it is a bit different in my case. I don't usually keep a phone longer than 2 years so have never replaced a battery. If it fails in under 2 years then Apple would be replacing it for free anyway and I would do that via post. Not sure what Apple Stores are like in other countries, but the one in Cardiff is hell on earth. It is the one shop I will happily walk past and not go in unless I have to as it is full all the time and mostly with people who are playing on the devices and generally making the experience an absolute shocker.

I live about 20 minutes away from 2 Apple Stores and 30 minutes away from a third. There are another 6 within an hour. I used to work 2 miles away from an Apple Store as well. The one I mainly use does battery replacements while you wait. They do Mac battery replacements overnight or over the weekend. I've been pleased with that Apple Store since it opened (I waited in line at the grand opening and have the t-shirt).

I replaced my iPhone 7+ with the 13 mini so I keep hardware for a long time. My oldest working computer in my office was purchased in the 1970s.
 
The fact that companies are more global is a reason I'd want to see competition from outside the U.S. in a similar way I like seeing competition in the auto industry from companies outside the U.S. e.g., Mercedes-Benz, Volkswagen, Jaguar, etc.

A phone and/or especially an operating system made by a company from Australia, Europe, etc. that is offered globally and is competitive with companies like Apple or Google would be very welcome. I'm not talking nearly as many companies as there are in the auto industry but at least a few more. Unfortunately, none have wanted to or been able to make a dent in the current Apple/Google mobile OS duopoly and as far as phone devices go, HMD Global/Nokia is the only European company that has any kind of meaningful market share but it's at the low end.

It’s virtually impossible for a device like iPhone to be built in a single country.
 
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I live about 20 minutes away from 2 Apple Stores and 30 minutes away from a third. There are another 6 within an hour. I used to work 2 miles away from an Apple Store as well. The one I mainly use does battery replacements while you wait. They do Mac battery replacements overnight or over the weekend. I've been pleased with that Apple Store since it opened (I waited in line at the grand opening and have the t-shirt).

I replaced my iPhone 7+ with the 13 mini so I keep hardware for a long time. My oldest working computer in my office was purchased in the 1970s.
There is probably more Apple stores within 100 miles of where you live than there are in the entire United Kingdom. I remember walking into the Apple store with my iPhone 5 years ago and asking to see someone about a sim card reader fault and was asked 'if I had made an appointment?'... I remember commenting that I had a problem with my phone and wasn't there to see a doctor lol. That is one service I truly hate about dealing with Apple and thankfully one that I have used very rarely. If I have an issue, I want to be able to see someone ASAP, not book an appointment online for a weeks time. Anyway, thats the negatives, at least my devices have been reliable.
 
There is probably more Apple stores within 100 miles of where you live than there are in the entire United Kingdom. I remember walking into the Apple store with my iPhone 5 years ago and asking to see someone about a sim card reader fault and was asked 'if I had made an appointment?'... I remember commenting that I had a problem with my phone and wasn't there to see a doctor lol. That is one service I truly hate about dealing with Apple and thankfully one that I have used very rarely. If I have an issue, I want to be able to see someone ASAP, not book an appointment online for a weeks time. Anyway, thats the negatives, at least my devices have been reliable.

I can usually book in the morning for an afternoon appointment, or, worst case, the next day. This at my favorite store. I'm retired so I can go anytime which probably helps.

Yes, you have to book an appointment and it would be nice if you didn't but I guess that they do it to manage wait times and staffing levels. It probably helps with parts logistics too.
 
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It’s virtually impossible for a device like iPhone to be built in a single country.

Perhaps but I had been talking more about competition at the company level (Apple, Google, etc.) for devices, operating systems, etc. Again, I would love to see viable Apple, Google, etc. alternatives coming from outside the U.S.
 
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And that scares the crap out of me because those nominally US companies will NOT have US interests in mind. Apple is already in that frame of mind. It thinks globally but is content to be protected by the US. In fact most global companies are US in name only. This is apparent whenever the topic of trade negotiations comes up.
This right here 💯
 
Maybe I am becoming less of their target market as I get older then. The funny thing is I have more disposable income now than any other point in my life, yet scrutinise the things in life that are rising in cost. Could I afford a brand new iPhone, iPad, Apple Watch etc every year? Of course, but I begrudge the way we are being driven in the direction of little change and higher prices. I probably shouldn't follow tech updates so much and adopt the mentality most people I know have where they replace things when it is needed as they aren't tech enthusiasts. I would certainly be less disappointed. Much of what you explain is stuff I already know as I've been on this forum for many years and we discuss the in's and out's to death, which you will appreciate, but thanks for your time.
For me, I find I am okay with the nominally rising prices because I find myself upgrading less frequently. Maybe it's a little bit of technology just plateauing for me (I have everything I need to work for me, they are good enough to get the job done, and there really isn't anything else I can get that would significantly improve my workflow).

I held on to my 8+ for 4 years before upgrading to the 13 pro max. The battery health is currently at 82% (seems like nightly magsafe charging will do that to it), but I do intend to have the battery replaced at the end of the year, and I will probably use it for another 2 years before looking at the next iPhone available.

My iPad Pro is the 2018 A12x model, which recently also had its battery replaced (swelling problems). Close to 5 years now, still going strong, maybe will upgrade to the M3 model next year.

My Apple Watch is the S5 from 2019, also close to 4 years old. Had the battery replaced last year as the health had dropped under 80% (which also fixed a faulty Digital Crown). Am eyeing the rumoured Ultra Watch V2, whenever it gets released, but it's also more of a want than a need.

Got the AirPods Pro 2 last year. So I should be good for another year or two.

Also using the M1 MBA from end 2020, maybe I might upgrade to an M3 MBA next year, or maybe I will hold on to it for another year or two.

Main bugbear is my 2017 5k iMac, which won't get Sonoma, and there is also no clear upgrade path for it. The 5k display is still gorgeous, it's not slow by any means, I just don't know what I would do if it kicks the bucket one day.

The thing is I don't see myself venturing outside the Apple ecosystem either, because everything just work so well together. I do follow tech here and there, but I am also fine seeing all these announcements and just not buying anything till my current hardware breaks or when I feel the itch to get something shinier (which isn't all that often these days). And I personally feel it's a happy problem to have. Stuff just works, and I don't really have to think about things going wrong or being pressured into upgrade ever so often.
 
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For me, I find I am okay with the nominally rising prices because I find myself upgrading less frequently. Maybe it's a little bit of technology just plateauing for me (I have everything I need to work for me, they are good enough to get the job done, and there really isn't anything else I can get that would significantly improve my workflow).

I held on to my 8+ for 4 years before upgrading to the 13 pro max. The battery health is currently at 82% (seems like nightly magsafe charging will do that to it), but I do intend to have the battery replaced at the end of the year, and I will probably use it for another 2 years before looking at the next iPhone available.

My iPad Pro is the 2018 A12x model, which recently also had its battery replaced (swelling problems). Close to 5 years now, still going strong, maybe will upgrade to the M3 model next year.

My Apple Watch is the S5 from 2019, also close to 4 years old. Had the battery replaced last year as the health had dropped under 80% (which also fixed a faulty Digital Crown). Am eyeing the rumoured Ultra Watch V2, whenever it gets released, but it's also more of a want than a need.

Got the AirPods Pro 2 last year. So I should be good for another year or two.

Also using the M1 MBA from end 2020, maybe I might upgrade to an M3 MBA next year, or maybe I will hold on to it for another year or two.

Main bugbear is my 2017 5k iMac, which won't get Sonoma, and there is also no clear upgrade path for it. The 5k display is still gorgeous, it's not slow by any means, I just don't know what I would do if it kicks the bucket one day.

The thing is I don't see myself venturing outside the Apple ecosystem either, because everything just work so well together. I do follow tech here and there, but I am also fine seeing all these announcements and just not buying anything till my current hardware breaks or when I feel the itch to get something shinier (which isn't all that often these days). And I personally feel it's a happy problem to have. Stuff just works, and I don't really have to think about things going wrong or being pressured into upgrade ever so often.
You and I have the same watch and iPhone models it seems, although my 13 Pro Max was bought last September and the battery is on 100% still. I still plug my phone in for charging as I learned that wireless charging reduces battery health significantly. My iPhone 12 was fast approaching 80% at 2 years old, so I binned the charger and went back to a cable for this device.

I upgrade every 2 years on average and a couple of times now I have bought the previous years device to get an upgrade in features, but at a reduced cost. My 13 Pro Max was £300 cheaper brand new, than the 14 Pro Max last year and to me that was well worth doing. If prices do go up again this year and next, I will probably go back to a standard iPhone for my next upgrade as I am losing a bit of interest to be able to justify the Pro models.
 
You and I have the same watch and iPhone models it seems, although my 13 Pro Max was bought last September and the battery is on 100% still. I still plug my phone in for charging as I learned that wireless charging reduces battery health significantly. My iPhone 12 was fast approaching 80% at 2 years old, so I binned the charger and went back to a cable for this device.

I might go back to wired charging eventually (MagSafe has been convenient, but does seem to degrade my battery even more rapidly than conventional wireless charging), but for now, there is actually incentive for me to bring my iPhone’s battery health to below 80% so I qualify for the free battery replacement courtesy of AppleCare+ (which expires some time in Nov).
 
Main bugbear is my 2017 5k iMac, which won't get Sonoma, and there is also no clear upgrade path for it. The 5k display is still gorgeous, it's not slow by any means, I just don't know what I would do if it kicks the bucket one day.

I have a 2015 and watch Craigslist for a 2017, 2019, 2020 or iMac Pro. The 2015 is next to a Studio and I do cooperative computing. I figure that there will be a big iMac within the next 2-3 years.
 
The thing is I don't see myself venturing outside the Apple ecosystem either, because everything just work so well together. I do follow tech here and there, but I am also fine seeing all these announcements and just not buying anything till my current hardware breaks or when I feel the itch to get something shinier (which isn't all that often these days). And I personally feel it's a happy problem to have. Stuff just works, and I don't really have to think about things going wrong or being pressured into upgrade ever so often.

I like the ecosystem as well and am all in except for my watch. Garmin is just so much better in a couple of aspects that it isn't close. I don't see Apple ever catching up because the philosophy on what the product should be is so different. The Apple Watch, though, is the better choice for the vast majority of people.
 
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