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Chinese Labor Group Alleges Major Labor Violations at Apple iPhone 5C Supplier Jabil Circuit [Update: Apple to Investigate]
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Not exactly great PR, especially considering if you remove the B and squeeze the rest of the company name together you get "JAIL".
And seriously, start bringing more of this stuff home.
And seriously, start bringing more of this stuff home.
What if you never heard the dog barking or ever saw it got kicked, someone just told you it happened....I bet the honest answers might be a bit different.
I don't trust the motives of these groups. And why is the focus always on Apple?
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No one is forced to buy this stuff. You don't like it buy something else that is manufactured at home. Put your money where your mouth is.
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No one is forced to buy this stuff. You don't like it buy something else that is manufactured at home. Put your money where your mouth is.[/QUOTE]
Please, Pied Piper, lead me to cellular devices built in the United States. And I know of the Moto X which is assembled here, little else. And the US has the highest per capita prison population so maybe we can get those costs down after all .
I was just pointing out that this could be fun for the late night comedians. The joke is already written for them. No need to get smarmy.
No one is forced to buy this stuff. You don't like it buy something else that is manufactured at home. Put your money where your mouth is.
[/QUOTE]Please, Pied Piper, lead me to cellular devices built in the United States
. And I know of the Moto X which is assembled here, little else. And the US has the highest per capita prison population so maybe we can get those costs down after all . I was just pointing out that this could be fun for the late night comedians. The joke is already written for them. No need to get smarmy
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This is how we learned.
This is how China will learn.
Have some freaking standards, or wallow in your misery.
No one else is going to care for you.
Western "consumers" certainly don't.
This is how China will learn.
Have some freaking standards, or wallow in your misery.
No one else is going to care for you.
Western "consumers" certainly don't.
Other than on tech blogs any publicity from this to the general public will either be tiny or quickly forgotten. Fact is people are wishing they had jobs out there in the USA, they don't care at all what the working conditions are like in China at all. If the press does get bad, which is unlikely, Apple can easily counter with ads for the made in the USA mac pro (which consequently is super expensive so they can get the margins on it regardless)
Actually, Apple, despite what some people in this world think, isn't responsible for the execution of Chinese law. That's their government's job.
My thoughts exactly...you noticed the same group audited the other apple supplier too...I am sure the working conditions are not stellar, but I got to believe that this is no worse than say making windshield wiper blades.
Just trying to extort money from Apple, and be on the competitors payroll at the same time. Getting tired of this apple bashing crap!!! Forums filled with trolls working for Samsung, Microsoft, and competitors ads and commercials filled with half truths.
You couldn't be more misinformed. Just google "富士康 缺工" (meaning "Foxconn worker shortage" in Chinese) and see how many hits you get.
What a lot of people are saying is this is the fault of the "Chinese culture" instead of saying this is what happens in a Capitalist culture which yes we are part of. When you justify treating people unfairly because it helps Apple and other big international corporation's bottom line and worst of all saves you one dollar on the price of your iPhone you are selling your humanity for the possessions which in a year or two you will be glad to dispose of. Apple as well as other companies support these tech sweat shops and consumers are just as guilty with their compliance.
I thought Communism wasn't suppose to exploit its workers? Ha! Truth is all countries exploit their workers. We are no longer living in a world of countries, but a world of companies. Even in the US. It's not a Democracy anymore, its a Corporatocracy.
I haven't seen a price announced for the new Mac Pro, have you?
And when every dry cleaner in town kicks the dog, or worse?
Geez, Count Blah, he didn't say anything about "not wanting" Apple to "intervene" with regards to the the status quo in China, he said it wasn't necessarily their responsibility. As others have pointed out, where are the Chinese Authorities in all of this, and why doesn't this watchdog group take it up with them?
Oh, that's right, it's because the Chinese gov't sees no problem with any of this and clearly doesn't give a ****.
Ahh yes, defend at all costs. How about we refer to apple's own site for the responsibility, that they assure their customers, they are assuming.
https://www.apple.com/supplierresponsibility/
Unless you and the others are going to claim that this portion of Apple's site has been hacked, and that they never claimed to be taking steps to prevent items like this ever happening?
The lengths some people go to, to deflect any and all criticism of Apple is amazing.
Good. These things should be reported, if true. And I don't find it at all hard to believe.
And any company who does nothing about it deserves criticism. They CAN lean on their suppliers. I boycotted Coke because they wouldn't lean on their Colombian bottling partners to stop murdering union organizers. True, Coke's money was paying the death squads only indirectly--but that money was power, and carried responsibility. If not legally, then morally. (Now Coke has been found indirectly supporting similar violence in other countries--which is avoidable, so my boycott continues. Reasonably balanced take here.)
From Apple's history, we can safely say they WILL do something. The problem is not Apple's "fault," but knowing about it, we can expect them to address it. And the further problem of them not catching the problems earlier. (I know Jabil can try to hide things, but it's Apple's responsibility to ferret out the truth when a cover-up is likely--or work with suppliers who don't lie to them! And I think Apple agrees with me there.)
What about all the other companies who use Jabil and other places in violation? Do any of them take action the way Apple does?
And any company who does nothing about it deserves criticism. They CAN lean on their suppliers. I boycotted Coke because they wouldn't lean on their Colombian bottling partners to stop murdering union organizers. True, Coke's money was paying the death squads only indirectly--but that money was power, and carried responsibility. If not legally, then morally. (Now Coke has been found indirectly supporting similar violence in other countries--which is avoidable, so my boycott continues. Reasonably balanced take here.)
From Apple's history, we can safely say they WILL do something. The problem is not Apple's "fault," but knowing about it, we can expect them to address it. And the further problem of them not catching the problems earlier. (I know Jabil can try to hide things, but it's Apple's responsibility to ferret out the truth when a cover-up is likely--or work with suppliers who don't lie to them! And I think Apple agrees with me there.)
What about all the other companies who use Jabil and other places in violation? Do any of them take action the way Apple does?
Orwell's "Animal Farm". Still an excellent book and an excellent film.
On the other hand, I wouldn't see China as a communist country.
China, and almost any communist countries are just totalitarian pretending to be communism.
That's witty, but it sounds more like you have a political axe to grind or something.
Unpaid overtime wages: We have laws in the US that protect against that. It's called FLSA.
Over 100 hours of monthly mandatory overtime: With retailers, fast food, and many others cutting hours to 28 per week to avoid healthcare costs, it's doubtful.
Hiring Discrimination: This can't even be taken seriously, particularly in the fast food industry.
Excessive standing work: Does your opinion extend to retail? Apple??
Im more shocked that there is something called a, labor rights group, in China. I wouldnt think that the Chinese government would allow something like this to exist.
All these purported violations would explain, though, all the leaks surrounding 5C. Unhappy workers more willing to leak info.
All these purported violations would explain, though, all the leaks surrounding 5C. Unhappy workers more willing to leak info.
Actually worse in the middle class jobs. People who work on salary and are expected to work 100 hours a week or get laid off. Working 7 days a week otherwise you're not a team player. Look at Broadcom and their engineers. I know people who work there from 7am to 11pm every day because if they don't they suddenly get downsized. It's out of control, especially in this economy since people who were making $120k/year working 100+ hours a week are now working the same hours and making around $70k/year.
Low end workers who work hourly have records for how many hours they work; and are covered by minimum wage. This is how the middle class gets squeezed out.
No I haven't however its not going to be a huge cut in price from the old style mac pro which was already super expensive. If anything it will likely cost more than the old mac pro. My source for this info is common sense