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So true. I was hopeful Cook (a PC guy at the start of his career, and a bean counter the entire journey) had learned at the steps of his Master. Clearly it was not the case -- for the genius Jobs was he always had poor inutituions when it came to people to lead Apple. First Sculley, then Cook. So we are left with mediocre, unreasonably overpriced products made to look more impeccable than reality by way of Ive's narrated promo videos.

I'm just grateful I lived during both the first and second Jobs eras so I know the difference between Jobs led Apple and the others. I'll keep using Macs and other Apple products, of course, but my desire to constantly upgrade to the latest and greatest is done becuase that was a few years ago.
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I don't remember the last time Apple released a MBP with basic specs of the one released 4 years prior (notably RAM and storage amounts) AND bumped up the price a couple hundred bucks and stripped out basic accessories like a power cord and made it the most PC-like designed Mac ever produced.

Had Apple kept the price points the same or bumped up specs I don't think people would be as upset.
Good points! Yep, don't think Cook "gets" the Mac.
From what I've read the 7th gen Intel quad isn't ready for laptops?
So rather than buy multiple generations they used the 6th generation?
Been nice to have the 7th gen in the new stuff but we'll have to wait.
So was the reason to go all T3 ports a buss speed thing?
They keep eliminating all the ports that people want, i assume there must be a reason other than
cost?
Keeping my 2011,2012 MBP for now!
 
Maybe their thoughts go like this:

Hey, who are you? Just a silly old consumer. Who the hell do you think you are? It is our laptop and we will decide what it does. Your payment was for the "experience", i.e., you are experiencing what we like and what we don't like with our computers. And by Jove, we have created the best damn experience on earth that we think possible, and only Apple could have done this.

You could be right. Because we would not have automatic power on if they had thought like this: hey, there's the guy opening his laptop lid, perhaps he wants to clean the super bright screen first, or wipe some sweaty fingerprints off the gorgeous big trackpad before he gets to work, let's keep the computer OFF so he can do all that without starting to interact with the computer when that's automatically powered on.
 
I'm sure if Jobs or Federighi took away the glowing Apple logo and startup chime the negativity wouldn't be anywhere near as intense. Jobs as we know had such charisma that a term was coined to describe the ability as though it were a superpower: reality distortion field.

I think that the difference between Steve and Tim is that Steve probably wouldn't have let the disappearance of the startup chime go unmentioned during the keynote. I imagine that he would wave created the reality-distortion-field by acknowledging a shift in Apple's history, and how this change symbolizes the strength of Apple's commitment to yadda-yadda... something inspiring. He probably would have even had a moment of silence. That would have alleviated all of us old-timer's fears that Apple was abandoning their core identity.

Change is necessary. Not acknowledging the change, and ignoring the past makes it feel like it our journey with Apple was not important. We want to feel connected to the brand after having invested so many years and dollars into it.
 
Yeah, I get it, there's nostalgia, there's tradition, there's a bit of conspicuous consumption (sounds that can be heard by those around you, glowing icons in darkened meeting rooms and classrooms...)...

The glowing Apple logo was a byproduct of the display module's design. There was some wasted backlight, why not do something fun with it? However, if the design of the display module changes for valid engineering reasons, such that the glowing icon is not practical? Then should Apple find a way to keep the nightlight burning anyway, perhaps wasting a bit of battery power? That also seems unlike Apple.

You want to know what this really hurts? Apple's product placement - the effort to get Macs into every TV show and movie that needs a laptop as a prop. Bright, glowing Apple logos are hard to miss. Sure, Hollywood will still ask for MacBooks as props, but maybe the shiny, passive/reflective logo won't be seen as easily and fewer people will get the subliminal message that Macs are cool. (Or worse, the cinematographer doesn't want a powerful spotlight reflecting back into the lens, and asks that the logo be covered.)

I don't own one single Apple product with a glowing Apple logo on the back (where I wouldn't see it, anyway, even if it existed), so this certainly hasn't destroyed my opinion of Apple. I'm one of those people who stopped needing a laptop once iPad came along.

No sound on power-up? I also immediately thought, "Wow, this sucks when troubleshooting..." But if the new MBPs run through self-test and move onto OS kernel boot so quickly that the sound is not a useful troubleshooting cue, then the sound is just a conceit. If kernel loading is intentionally delayed in order to allow the sound to play out... why slow the boot process? If the sound and Apple logo appear simultaneously? Some people wouldn't notice, but it sure wouldn't mean much when you're troubleshooting.

The audio cue for POST dates back to the days of CRT displays. Remember display warm-up? If you want/need to deliver an indication that POST has finished successfully and it's time to press some startup keys... you couldn't afford to wait for the display. Sure, the Happy Mac was nice to see, but that was simply replaced by the Apple logo - an indication that POST had successfully finished, the boot drive had been located, and that OS loading had begun.

We've moved from CRTs to LCDs and LEDs, and from spinning HDDs to SSDs with relatively slow SATA interfaces, and now to blindingly fast PCIe Flash drives. On these new, fast machines, all the old boot-up timing cues have gone out the window. Just press your startup key combos as soon as you press the power button. Hold them for 20 seconds or more (NVRAM), or until you see the expected indication (Apple logo for Recovery, spinning globe for Internet Recovery, login screen for Safe Mode, Startup Manager to select a startup disk...). Seems fine to me.

We want the technology to advance, right? Everyone's been bitching, "Where are the new Macs, the current tech is too old!" Well, guess what? The longer you delay a change, the more dramatic the change is when it comes. Skip two or three major revisions of an OS or app, and you face a steeper learning curve. Leave a hardware design unchanged for a few years, and maybe there are logical reasons to change things like boot sequences.

So, we have a MBA that powers up when you open the lid. How much different is that from an MBA that wakes from sleep when you open the lid? My impression is that the vast majority of Mac users today Sleep their machines under most circumstances. A full power-down is so yesterday; as if the OS was so unstable that you needed to reboot on a daily basis.

Today, most people expect their electronics to wake with as little fuss or delay as possible. If I only had to open the lid and login... I'd think that's cool. Every so often, maybe I want to open the lid but have the power off - let's say to wipe off the keyboard. Is it really that hard to shut it down one time out of twenty, compared to not having to power it on nineteen times out of twenty?

It's too much to expect that the assembled masses at MR are going to ooh and ahh about anything Apple does. Part of the conceit here is, "I know better than Apple." But I don't think many of the creatives here would stand for similar gripes about whatever it is that they design. Whatever it is we do, we want to improve it. Sometimes, those improvements can be had without making fundamental changes. Other times, a fundamental change is required. And always, when considering change, it helps if you consider when previous design considerations are no longer valid.
 
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While certainly no showstopper - it will be missed!

P.s if you don't like the chime in the existing Mbp - it can be disabled!

Haha and as it turns out the chime is still there, its just automatically disabled in terminal - it can be enabled again.
 
Was there ever a way to control the volume of the chime? Or did it just take on the last volume setting prior to shutdown? I rarely hear the chime because I usually only reboot my MBP for system software updates. Once in a while the chime is so loud as to actually shock the senses, and it becomes more of an annoyance than an affirmation.

At any rate, it's nice to see there's a way to turn it back on, but I'll be happy with the default setting as I will continue to shut down very infrequently anyways. I would NOT like it if closing the laptop shuts it down! If it does, there better be a way to get to go to sleep instead...
 
All these little things have been slowly eroding the the 'soul' of the company I fell in love with so many years ago. The recent loss of the headphone jack on the iPhone, Magsafe, a physical escape key, extension cord in the box, the glowing Apple logo and now the iconic chime make me think it's all part of some absurdist joke from the multimillionaires in Apple's top positions. But sadly, it's real and I absolutely hate the direction this company is going. For a sentimentalist like me, who loves a bit of history (why else would I round the corners of my mac screens?), it's a real shame but as a user who demands usability from the hardware, I certainly won't be looking to apple for new hardware anytime soon.
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No more glowing logo. No more extension cord with a multi-thousand dollar laptop. No more control over when my computer boots up.

And now, no more startup chime.

It's official. Apple is dead to me.

Tim Cook, please resign. If you really care about the survival of the magic and heart and soul of the Apple that Steve Jobs created, you need to resign. You are killing everything that ever made Apple special.

Heartily agree and well said.
 
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This news struck a chord.
Alas no. This news did not strike a chord. It was met with silence.

It is a shame though.

I also really liked the glowing Apple logo on the lid. I appreciate it was a power drain, but I still hope it comes back. The illuminated keyboard returned on the MBA.

I confess I still miss the battery indicator on the side of 2008 era MacBooks. You pressed the button and a series of green lights illuminated to indicate the battery's power level. It was useful.
 
Haha and as it turns out the chime is still there, its just automatically disabled in terminal - it can be enabled again.

So 19 pages due to shoddy journalism? The comments are of course valid in context of having the sound removed, as the headline suggested. And many are still valid to the extent the sound could be used in some practical reboots, but isn't enabled.

Though I do have to add, right or wrong, where's the courage of disabling it, but leaving it in the software? ;-)
 
Apple is now officially dead to me. /s

Seriously, while I'll miss it, it's really not that big of a deal. Iconic or not, it's just a sound. I guess if you want to hear it again, just watch Wall-E
 
No, what's dead is this forum. For years people have complained about that useless and annoying chime. Now Apple removes it, and everyone complains.

The more that people winge on this forum, the more confident I am that Apple is doing the right thing.
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Please outline exactly how the chime was good for consumers, and how the consumer is going to be negatively affected without it.

The start up chime was/is equivalent to the POST beep found on PCs. At startup, a self-test is ran by the BIOS/ROM to make sure everything is ok. If you hear a beep, or the startup chime for Macs, everything is good. Plus it also indicated when you reset the PRAM.

Yes the computer is obviously fine if the computer eventually boots after a few seconds. But it still served a purpose and wasn't there "just because." I'm not quite sure if the Mac startup chime did this, but on PCs if something was wrong, the computer would beep a code indicating what the issue was; RAM not seated properly for example. Course most Macs have their RAM soldered in, so I guess that beep code wouldn't be relevant. ;)
 
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Apple went so far as to register the sound as a trademark.
Steve Jobs even sent a cease and desist order to another company that was running a national TV ad in the US that just happened to have that sound in it. Anyone remember what company that was?

Obviously Tim Cook feels quite differently about the sound. Nobody but Tim Cook would have the authority to ditch an Apple trademark without notice.

By the way, there is a real REASON to have the sound that is now missing. Every Apple tech document or Discussions page that discusses Apple startup key codes, like to boot from another drive or into Terminal mentions it Will they rewrite their entire support library now?
 
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Actually, I think it goes back to the original G3 Macs (desktop & mini tower), which came out in late 1997 (w/Mac OS 8).
The startup chime used on those (as well as the Wallstreet PowerBook G3) is very close, but a subtly different tone from the iMac's.
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Update: As noted by a MacRumors forum poster, the boot chime can be turned back on and the automatic boot turned off using a few simple Terminal commands.
It would be nice if the post had been linked here. I'm curious what the command for re-enabling the chime is.
 
First the smiley icon, now this. Rip the Mac :(

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To be fair, the smiley icon on bootup has been gone since at least 10.2 (Jaguar). It's still there in another form, in Finder. Hopefully Apple doesn't get rid of it by 10.13.
 
Apple went so far as to register the sound as a trademark.
Steve Jobs even sent a cease and desist order to another company that was running a national TV ad in the US that just happened to have that sound in it. Anyone remember what company that was?

Obviously Tim Cook feels quite differently about the sound. Nobody but Tim Cook would have the authority to ditch an Apple trademark without notice.

By the way, there is a real REASON to have the sound that is now missing. Every Apple tech document or Discussions page that discusses Apple startup key codes, like to boot from another drive or into Terminal mentions it Will they rewrite their entire support library now?

Oh please Steve would have wanted to chime gone with too.

What is the point of a chime if the boot process is faster than the time it takes to play the chime? Steve Jobs WANTEd an instant on Mac but the fact of the matter is it was not possible with previous technology. We keep getting closer and closer to it though.
 
On one hand, I'm sorry to "hear" the iconic sound go--I more or less grew up on a variation of the Mac startup chime.

On the other, I think I actually hear the chime maybe half a dozen times per year at most, and those are almost exclusively after a forced reboot from a software update if I didn't remember to turn the volume down first. I've been running Macs in a sleep-instead-of-shutdown state for the better part of a decade now, so the sound isn't likely something I'd even miss.

Also, leaving aside anything else in the good or bad of Apple's changes in the post-Jobs era, and whether you personally like or dislike the changes to the way power-up works, if there is anything that Steve Jobs would have had no problem doing away with it's a power button and startup chime. He didn't let them change the chime we have now because he liked it more than the other ones, not because he liked the concept of a startup chime, period.

Jobs' distaste for nostalgia is well documented, his attempts to ditch buttons are notorious (see: the Cube), and if he'd been so in love with the startup chime that he'd never let it go, he'd have put a startup chime on the first iPhone. "You don't boot it up, it's just on already" sounds like exactly the kind of thing Jobs would have loved. You might not like it, but saying "Steve never would have done that" doesn't align at all with the kind of things he actually did.

Just because it's no longer used on a daily basis, it did serve an actual function. I'd prefer to get confirmation that a reboot after an install or error was successful.

While I agree Jobs is the first to do away with obsolete technology, he also understood the power of brand marketing, and the Mac startup sound is no less a part of that than the IMAX sound, or the T-Mobile jingle. Jobs specifically asked to include the startup sound when he returned to Apple, likely for this reason -- it was an iconic part of the Mac branding. Removing it completely, means it's no longer useful in that capacity, and that's a loss no matter how it's justified.

Jobs clearly authorized a glowing Apple logo which has no place in a laptop, yet there it is. And it became an iconic symbol. But the Apple hasn't gone away, just the functionless glow. It didn't go away when the rainbow colors were dropped either. Likewise there's no reason to get rid of the startup sound entirely either.

Or just, you know, easily re-enable it in Terminal...

Unfortunately this solution effectively eliminates the sound for the average Mac user who never uses Terminal, and may even be intimidated by it. And it's the average Mac user for which the sound has the most value as a marketing tool and iconic brand identity.
 
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I really hope there is a way to disable auto-startup. It's a needless convenience.

Oh yes, but no simple on / off switch, because Apple tells you what to do and what you will like. So go and get that terminal ready and type those commands in to turn the chime back on and auto on off.. but be carful, don't make a typo and crash your machine and render it useless as you are using terminal after all..

Jesus... it really is one bad story after another over the last several days with Apple..
 
It sounds like I'm not alone in the sense that I'm just not feeling it anymore with Apple. It appears that they have become what they always seemed to be fighting against. I could barely stand to listen to Cook or Schiller at the Apple event. Both of them are just reading a script and using buzzwords (badly) they were told to use. It's hard to blame them for chasing billions of dollars but it's still sad. I hope some young guy is working in his garage right now with a couple of his buddies to bring us the next computer software/hardware company that caters to creative professionals. We all knew that Apple as we know it would die with Steve Jobs. We just weren't sure how long it would take after his death for the spark to be extinguished. I think we know now. Apple is going to continue to be a great and profitable company, but it's not really Apple anymore.
 
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