Classic Mac Startup Chime Not Present in New MacBook Pros

[dannys1]

Actually i liked magsafe and how it was different and unique idea compared to any other laptop around. That one tech alone showed the creatives that goes into Apple product. But now, charing through any port with any standard usb-c cord is better in all terms.

You know what, i'm tending to agree with you as well - I loved magsafe but i've just remembered how often the things frayed and broke and Apple had no 3rd party replacements. At least now we can use things like Ankers kevlar braided USB-C cables that'll last years and plug into either side to reduce stress. Literally the only thing we're losing is that tripping over the cable thing - I'll see how I go because there are USB-C magsafe emulations out there (though avoid that Griffin one its awful) but so far i've not needed it on the MacBook and you see the "PC master race" constantly point out how they've never tripped over their laptops...
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Lol you on edge, bro? That chime would only scare you if you were tweaking on meth or 100 years old.

You wanna hear what it sounds like over a pro studio sound system at 100db when you're not expecting it mate.
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Seen a lot of your posts belittling the "whiners". Could you explain one thing to me. iPhone 7 was released a month ago and it cannot be connected to the MacBook Pro without a dongle. How is that good design that your two latest products don't play with each other? And please don't say wifi because you cannot charge it via wifi.

When you troll others remember the frustration is not just about just that sound or the auto power up. It's about their expectations about so many things. 1. Price 2. RAM cannot be upgrade 3. No MagSafe 4. DDR3 RAM. There are a few more but you get the drift.

"Troll other users" I think you're slightly liberal with that term.

Maybe Apple should include a lightning to USB cable in the MacBook Pro - but to be honest you can buy one on Amazon for £6 and I connect my phone to laptop precisely once a year to back it up before buying the new one and restoring so it's not something i'll lose sleep over.

As for your 1 to 4. 1. Has always been there with Apple you pay for the experience. By the same token its there with Microsoft's Surface Book too. 2. Ditto Ram for both Apple and Microsoft - come on, its 2016, you're not going to get upgradeable ram in a laptop anymore unless you're buying something that looks like its from 2006. I'll admit I was disappointed about Magsafe, but over the past few days i've realised I can now use any USB-C cable and I want have the hassle of having to replace the every fraying and breaking 1st party Magsafe that became the bane of my life. If i'm honest it fell out on its own more than I pulled it out by tripping over it and now i'll be able to use Ankers Kevlar Powerline+ cables which are fantastic. DDR3 funnily is currently much more expensive than DDR4 on the open market, so it's not a cost thing. I've read there are issues with DDR4 and Skylake, its Intels stop-gap that supports it but it's not a fantastic integration. I think down the line they'll get it right with either Kabylake or the follow up and then we'll also see 32gb DDR4 enabled MacBooks with the same performance and battery life.

 

[Chupa Chupa]

The old Apple died the moment Steve Jobs passed away. These changes don't really make much of a difference.

So true. I was hopeful Cook (a PC guy at the start of his career, and a bean counter the entire journey) had learned at the steps of his Master. Clearly it was not the case -- for the genius Jobs was he always had poor inutituions when it came to people to lead Apple. First Sculley, then Cook. So we are left with mediocre, unreasonably overpriced products made to look more impeccable than reality by way of Ive's narrated promo videos.

I'm just grateful I lived during both the first and second Jobs eras so I know the difference between Jobs led Apple and the others. I'll keep using Macs and other Apple products, of course, but my desire to constantly upgrade to the latest and greatest is done becuase that was a few years ago.
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The hits just keep on coming. I don't remember the last time a mac release had this much backlash

I don't remember the last time Apple released a MBP with basic specs of the one released 4 years prior (notably RAM and storage amounts) AND bumped up the price a couple hundred bucks and stripped out basic accessories like a power cord and made it the most PC-like designed Mac ever produced.

Had Apple kept the price points the same or bumped up specs I don't think people would be as upset.

 

[Makosuke]

some good points, but people need to stop referencing what Steve would have done, Steves death wish was for Apple to just do what was right, Not ask what would he do, as he saw that at Disney after Walt died and it caused major problems..

I actually agree completely--at this point I don't particularly care what Jobs hypothetically would or wouldn't have done, I only care about what the current design teams and management are or aren't doing. Jobs certainly had a knack, but he was far from infallible anyway, so even if something were what Jobs would have done doesn't by default make it the best idea.

My comment was directed entirely at people who do hypothesize about what Jobs would or wouldn't have done if he were alive and in charge of Apple today, in particular the subset thereof who think that just because Jobs liked the until-recently-ubiquitous startup chime that he'd never allow it to be removed. It's impossible to say for sure, but this particular design decision is exactly the kind of thing he had a penchant for pushing for.

And even if I'm right, that doesn't make it a right or wrong decision, or a good or bad thing.

 

[HoosBruce]

No more glowing logo. No more extension cord with a multi-thousand dollar laptop. No more control over when my computer boots up.

And now, no more startup chime.

It's official. Apple is dead to me.

Tim Cook, please resign. If you really care about the survival of the magic and heart and soul of the Apple that Steve Jobs created, you need to resign. You are killing everything that ever made Apple special.

Quite possibly the dumbest thing I've read on the internet today. Congrats, that's saying a lot.

 

[Glideslope]

Totally wrong. That is not a Rob Zombie lyric. It's Nine Inch Nails.

Sorry about that. I mix up Rob and Trent from time to time.

 

[BlueMoon63]

No more glowing logo. No more extension cord with a multi-thousand dollar laptop. No more control over when my computer boots up.

And now, no more startup chime.

It's official. Apple is dead to me.

Tim Cook, please resign. If you really care about the survival of the magic and heart and soul of the Apple that Steve Jobs created, you need to resign. You are killing everything that ever made Apple special.

This post doesn't sum up Apple, it sums up the spoiled rotten, instant gratification society we live in now. Asking the CEO to resign because the logo doesn't glow? Are you insane? They removed the extension cord a year ago when they added all day battery life.

I feel sad about our next generation.
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Quite possibly the dumbest thing I've read on the internet today. Congrats, that's saying a lot.

Amen... 100's of likes says that this person is not alone and we have found the mentality of our next generation of kids. We are in trouble.
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I don't agree,

some good points, but people need to stop referencing what Steve would have done, Steves death wish was for Apple to just do what was right, Not ask what would he do, as he saw that at Disney after Walt died and it caused major problems. Phil Schiller is right Apple has incredible courage removing the headphone jack on their best selling most revenue generating product, I have used the new lightening headphones and the sound is superb. Also the sales indicate that everyone moaning of the headphone jack being removed was a storm in a teacup.

I always laugh at the Steve Jobs references. He was great, but he was the most arrogant man you would have ever met. If he would have made a change you didn't like or reviewers didn't like it, he would say F you.

Just read the Samsung's latest specs on the 8 has no headphone jack.

If you dislike Apple, do us all a favor and switch to Windows and that bloated, hacker accessible O/S and enjoy the daily/weekly required reboots for new found virus potential - rinse and repeat.

Just move on. You read a post next that Apple made the power cord 1 inch shorter and people want Tim to resign. So childish.

 

[technopimp]

This is the new Apple. Squeezing money from their fanbase by any means necessary.

I fully predict that we've also seen the end of the yearly free OS updates. Next year, they will begin selling them at the following price points:

WatchOS/TVOS: $19.99
iOS: $29.99
MacOS: $49.99

These will be annual upgrade costs. You will only ever be able to run at one version precious or your device will not be supported.

They will offer an annual "OS Upgrade Plan" for $79.99 which will include all of the updates.

This will be delivered to your iCloud account, and if you don't have room you'll have to upgrade that as well.

 

[I am Andy]

Hi,
hard for me to understand all those discussions.
My rMBP is from mid 2012. Still a good machine and there's currently no need to upgrade.
Maybe next year. Anyway I love those new machines.

Till today I have to work with windows machines as my company still sticks with those.
And I HATE that I need to reboot my machine at least every week by default. Additional reboots are necessary for all those updates coming in nearly every week.
My (private) rMBP needs to be rebooted very very seldom. If I do it in the office, the sound is usually muted to avoid disturbing colleagues.
Honestly, do you really shut down your Mac? Why and how often? I'm mainly doing it in case of OS updates.
In all other cases I just close the lid when I'm done. And re-open it when I need my Mac.
And in future there will be no difference for those who shut down the Mac. It might take a little bit longer to boot instead of waking up. But that's rather marginally.

So my proposal is to stop crying. It's not a problem at all.
My impression is that most of you don't really know what you're talking about. Maybe you don't even use a Mac?
Andy

 

[dantracht]

Turns on 2015 15" rMBP pro, purchased just 2 1/2 months ago at a $300 discount. Hears chime, smiles.

Goes on with his day.

 

[Koodauw]

I really do not like this change. I get it - it may doesn't mean much but to me it was one part of what made my Mac a Mac. The startup chime, the glowing logo and on top of course the breathing light when it was asleep. MacSafe will be missed as well.Oh my. Next goes the Finder smile face change to a plain logo with a directory on it.

I think this hits the nail on the head. Back then a mac had an identity. It was different. Slowly these things are being taken away.

 

[Krevnik]

You know what, i'm tending to agree with you as well - I loved magsafe but i've just remembered how often the things frayed and broke and Apple had no 3rd party replacements. At least now we can use things like Ankers kevlar braided USB-C cables that'll last years and plug into either side to reduce stress. Literally the only thing we're losing is that tripping over the cable thing - I'll see how I go because there are USB-C magsafe emulations out there (though avoid that Griffin one its awful) but so far i've not needed it on the MacBook and you see the "PC master race" constantly point out how they've never tripped over their laptops...

It is a bit of a trade off, but one nice thing is that we have a bit more choice on the cable we use. We can go third party, and one big drawback of MagSafe was trying to get a power supply that could charge a MacBook from a 12V power source while doing things like Astrophotography. Inverter works, but isn't efficient. So while I mourn the MagSafe connector, I welcome the return of 3rd parties being able to provide charger options for these niche audiences, and more varied asks.

This is the new Apple. Squeezing money from their fanbase by any means necessary.

I fully predict that we've also seen the end of the yearly free OS updates. Next year, they will begin selling them at the following price points:

WatchOS/TVOS: $19.99
iOS: $29.99
MacOS: $49.99

These will be annual upgrade costs. You will only ever be able to run at one version precious or your device will not be supported.

They will offer an annual "OS Upgrade Plan" for $79.99 which will include all of the updates.

This will be delivered to your iCloud account, and if you don't have room you'll have to upgrade that as well.

I take it you don't realize that the free upgrades are a "money grab". Apple is trying to create a virtuous cycle where devs are more likely to use the latest features, because more users are on the latest OS. Users get these features which add value to the apps and the OS, keeping them happy, and making them more likely to keep buying Apple hardware and apps in the App Store. Apps using the latest features of the OS also makes users less likely to move from the OS, since they won't get a similar experience elsewhere (friction).

They are playing the long game here. Short term revenue from the updates are potentially dwarfed by simply getting folks into the ecosystem and keeping them there.
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I think this hits the nail on the head. Back then a mac had an identity. It was different. Slowly these things are being taken away.

I get the lamentation around the chime. But if the SSD can boot from cold as fast as being hinted, I can understand moving away from it. It's a step towards being able to nearly instant-on from no power. Especially if the firmware has to pause boot to play it (not multithreaded).

 

[AppleWarMachine]

Apple is now all about services, not products anymore (besides the iPhone)

 

[bingeciren]

Oh I’m not done yet.

sudo nvram BootAudio=%00
sudo nvram BootAudio=%01

What's the difference between the command with %03 and the one with %01?

 

[Crzyrio]

I get the lamentation around the chime. But if the SSD can boot from cold as fast as being hinted, I can understand moving away from it. It's a step towards being able to nearly instant-on from no power. Especially if the firmware has to pause boot to play it (not multithreaded).

With 3Gbps read, turning on will be fairly quick and we will soon get to the point where it will be instant where the chime would last longer than the boot process.


Also for those people that saying Steve would never do this:

Steve Jobs dreamed about this day. He wanted the macbook pros to come to life immediately after opening the lid

 

[Fishrrman]

Kudos to the gentleman above who has detailed how to disable auto booting.

There are times when one wants to "boot manually" for purposes of controlling the boot process -- such as booting from an external volume, booting up in safe mode, etc.

A question for those who already own one of the new MacBooks and have disabled auto-booting:
Does the power-on button remain "alive", when you open the cover? (I would assume so).

Regarding the startup sound:
I'm neutral on it, I don't mind it but I don't want it too loud.
Also, when booting using a sequence of "bootup keyboard commands", one needs to hear the startup sound to know -when- to use the proper commands...

 

[maflynn]

It seems so much of what made Apple special, is being exercised from their products

 

[Gasu E.]

As much as these things were great, all good things come to an end. Did you really expect the glowing Apple logo and a chime to be present in every macbook forever? They were cool things, but really guys, it's not the end of the world.

The chime was iconic. It was essentially an audio trademark. The glowing logo was not.

 

[simonmet]

Read through this whole thread and it occurs to me (as in others) that much of the negativity is personally targeted towards Tim Cook, perhaps unjustifiably so. Many here just don't seem to like the guy. Even those that say he's doing a good job, it's always on calculating business terms rather than on a personal level. For all we know these haven't been Tim Cook's decisions. No doubt some will blame him for not using his power of veto but they are very minor things to get worked up about. Maybe the Touch Bar will actually bring some personality back to the MacBook Pro models that support it if you feel some has been taken away.

I'm sure if Jobs or Federighi took away the glowing Apple logo and startup chime the negativity wouldn't be anywhere near as intense. Jobs as we know had such charisma that a term was coined to describe the ability as though it were a superpower: reality distortion field. Tim Cook clearly lacks this which in itself is no shame but unfortunately he's not the best communicator either. He needs some coaching or vocal training on how to speak in a way that will engage listeners rather than bore them. He is after all the personification of a major brand and its number 1 salesman. He's not vile like that sleazy and creepy Eric Schmidt or Steve "Heart Attack" Ballmer but could definitely do a bit better with the way he speaks.

For the record I think the improvements to the screen quality (higher brightness, contrast and colour gamut) are way more important and easily offset the loss of a bit of nostalgia. Anyone who works in photography or video will benefit from this and its a major feature that'll eventually see me want to upgrade my still excellent 2015 rMBP. I just got the iPhone 7 and it's outstanding in many ways and easily worth the loss of the headphone port (coming from the 5s anyway), but Apple please don't cut it from the MacBook Pro because I use the optical interface with my DAC!

The move from USB-A to C is going to be tough for a few years but it had to happen eventually on the thin and light laptops at least if not the Pro too, so might as well get the ball rolling. I do wonder whether it was worth keeping the old form-factor 15" around for another year, give it an upgraded Skylake processor and see how that goes.

 

[LimerickRunner]

Read through this whole thread and it occurs to me (as in others) that much of the negativity is personally targeted towards Tim Cook, perhaps unjustifiably so. Many here just don't seem to like the guy. Even those that say he's doing a good job, it's always on calculating business terms rather than on a personal level. For all we know these haven't been Tim Cook's decisions. No doubt some will blame him for not using his power of veto but they are very minor things to get worked up about. Maybe the Touch Bar will actually bring some personality back to the MacBook Pro models that support it if you feel some has been taken away.

I'm sure if Jobs or Federighi took away the glowing Apple logo and startup chime the negativity wouldn't be anywhere near as intense. Jobs as we know had such charisma that a term was coined to describe the ability as though it were a superpower: reality distortion field. Tim Cook clearly lacks this which in itself is no shame but unfortunately he's not the best communicator either. He needs some coaching or vocal training on how to speak in a way that will engage listeners rather than bore them. He is after all the personification of a major brand and its number 1 salesman. He's not vile like that sleazy and creepy Eric Schmidt or Steve "Heart Attack" Ballmer but could definitely do a bit better with the way he speaks.

For the record I think the improvements to the screen quality (higher brightness, contrast and colour gamut) are way more important and easily offset the loss of a bit of nostalgia. Anyone who works in photography or video will benefit from this and its a major feature that'll eventually see me want to upgrade my still excellent 2015 rMBP. I just got the iPhone 7 and it's outstanding in many ways and easily worth the loss of the headphone port (coming from the 5s anyway), but Apple please don't cut it from the MacBook Pro because I use the optical interface with my DAC!

The move from USB-A to C is going to be tough for a few years but it had to happen eventually on the thin and light laptops at least if not the Pro too, so might as well get the ball rolling. I do wonder whether it was worth keeping the old form-factor 15" around for another year, give it an upgraded Skylake processor and see how that goes.

Jesus I could imagine the field day the users would have here on Timmy if all they did was a spec jump. Personally I like Tim Cook and the way he is leading Apple, Steve is irreplaceable, so for Tim to do what he has done in the past 5 years with record breaking revenues is incredible. The new MacBook is gorgeous, all it's missing was a Steve like presentation telling you how beautiful the machine is and how great it is to work on. That was steves reality distortion but every Apple product still is absolutely amazing to use!

 

[jessejarvi]

Kudos to the gentleman above who has detailed how to disable There are times when one wants to "boot manually" for purposes of controlling the boot process -- such as booting from an external volume, booting up in safe mode, etc.

The touch ID is also a power button

 

[djlythium]

Well, that chime was awful anyway.

I'm with you. It was useless to me.

 

[doelcm82]

For real? What is next? They wanna change the Apple logo? Sounds like they want to get rid of all that Steve put his heart into. Wow.

The next thing you know they're going to change the logo to all white.
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This is the new Apple. Squeezing money from their fanbase by any means necessary.

I fully predict that we've also seen the end of the yearly free OS updates. Next year, they will begin selling them at the following price points:

WatchOS/TVOS: $19.99
iOS: $29.99
MacOS: $49.99

These will be annual upgrade costs. You will only ever be able to run at one version precious or your device will not be supported.

They will offer an annual "OS Upgrade Plan" for $79.99 which will include all of the updates.

This will be delivered to your iCloud account, and if you don't have room you'll have to upgrade that as well.

So you're predicting Apple will go back to the way it was under Steve Jobs...

 

[truettray]

The point is Macs used to have character. It was all the little things. They weren't the things that made the Mac great, but they were the things that made us love our Macs. OS 8 and 9 were weird and felt counter to Windows... OS X was ahead of its time and had little to no native software support in the early days... and may never have gained mainstream traction (both from consumers and devs) if it weren't for the character of the OS. I feel like around 10.3 was when OS X started to feel mainstream, and the character just grew! The brushed aluminum interface, the genie effect when minimizing applications, the startup video after a fresh install of OS X... All these are unnecessary things that brought character to this platform. Year by year these computers lose that character, distilling them down into bland pieces of aluminum running an operating system that I barely recognize. This is Apple's prerogative, but I don't have to be happy about it. Personally I don't give a damn about the loss of USB A... but I will miss the glowing apple and the startup chime. (Oh, and the SD card slot... that's my one practical complaint.)

 

[WalkerTexasRanger]

Did you really expect the glowing Apple logo and a chime to be present in every macbook forever?

Yeah, we did. EVERY Apple computer since the Apple II has had a startup chime, it's considered a defining factor of the brand. A Mac without a startup chime is like Windows without the start menu, it's almost sacreligious.

 

[Cactii]

Well thats a shame but fear not amigos.