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cMBP Haswell? or discontinued

I am so tempted to buy a maxed out cMBP just to have a computer that still has an optical drive and which I can update the ram and HDD.

I use a cMBP from 2011 (the first with TB) and movies on it are fine for me.

I've compared cMBP, MBA, and rMBP screens in the Apple Store and I can't really see any difference. Admittedly I'm not 25.

If they discontinue the cMBP I'd strongly consider trying to get one at closeout/discontinued prices.
 
MagicBoy said:
Can't - it's Haswell. Next smart idea?
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So you want everything just the way you want it. You need to understand you are not a target audience for any company because about 6 people want what you want. That won't support a market at all.

Get over it and just find a work around for what ever you think you need to do.
 
Is apple continue on making macbook pro 15(non retina)

Hi guys. I know its August but I havent got any confirmation that if apple is gonna to cancel the product line for non retina macbook pro or not. I like the look of the non retina macbook pro and I think the display is good enough for me even it is not a retina display. So my question is that is apple going to release the non retina macbook pro 15 with Hasawell processor or simply cancel the non retina version ? I care about the battery life since the latest processor can boost up the battery life to 13 hrs on the new macbook air.
Thanks in advanced :)
 
No one gets any confirmation about anything until Apple confirms it. Or maybe Jim Dalrymple.
 
I see no reason, why they should keep the low resolution model.
The only thing that could work, would be a classic-macbook with a retina display. But Apple does not want you to upgrade some parts. They want you to buy a new computer every 2 or 3 years.
 
I think it’s a bit more likely that they’ll keep it than the 13” - doesn’t make much sense to have 3 13-inch laptops, but there might be room in the line-up (price-wise) for 2 15s.

They could also keep it but not update it.
 
Surely it will be discontinued one day, but when is anyone's guess. Could be this next update. Or not.
 
I think the cMBP was retained only because Retina displays were very expensive a year ago. Now that Retina display costs have come down to reasonable levels, I see little reason to update the cMBP again. I expect that production probably has already ended and the inventory is being reduced ahead of the new rMBP announcement.
 
mcarling said:
I think the cMBP was retained only because Retina displays were very expensive a year ago. Now that Retina display costs have come down to reasonable levels, I see little reason to update the cMBP again. I expect that production probably has already ended and the inventory is being reduced ahead of the new rMBP announcement.
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This is so obvious. The reason the cMBP is sill NEEDED, is that there are customers that require larger than 128GB, 256GB, or 512GB storage and 8GB RAM. Sorry, but if I need a Macbook Pro 13 with 16GB RAM and a 1TB drive, the option is not there in a retina. PERIOD. The best I can do is 8GB RAM and a 768GB Storage for a absolutely laughable $2399+$200 in tax. $2600 for what? a 2mm thinner laptop, no ethernet? A retina screen? I can buy a cMBP for $1200 from Apple (the most expensive place to buy it), upgrade the drive to a 1TB 7200RPM for $75, Upgrade to 16GB RAM for $100 and I now have what I need for $1374+$100 in Tax = $1475. What I don't get is a "retina screen" or a laptop that is 2mm thinner. Few people need that and only people who are careless with money or have too much would spend that kind of money. This limits your customer base.

I have no issues with a rMPB but I am certain Apple will be making a HUGE mistake to limit their lineup to the extremely overpriced and undervalued retina lineup.

Look around, other manufacturers are making screen as good as the retina screens. They do not corner the marketplace in much anymore.

Just my opinion...
 
Macboy Pro said:
This is so obvious. The reason the cMBP is sill NEEDED, is that there are customers that require larger than 128GB, 256GB, or 512GB storage and 8GB RAM. Sorry, but if I need a Macbook Pro 13 with 16GB RAM and a 1TB drive, the option is not there in a retina. PERIOD. The best I can do is 8GB RAM and a 768GB Storage for a absolutely laughable $2399+$200 in tax. $2600 for what? a 2mm thinner laptop, no ethernet? A retina screen? I can buy a cMBP for $1200 from Apple (the most expensive place to buy it), upgrade the drive to a 1TB 7200RPM for $75, Upgrade to 16GB RAM for $100 and I now have what I need for $1374+$100 in Tax = $1475. What I don't get is a "retina screen" or a laptop that is 2mm thinner. Few people need that and only people who are careless with money or have too much would spend that kind of money. This limits your customer base.

I have no issues with a rMPB but I am certain Apple will be making a HUGE mistake to limit their lineup to the extremely overpriced and undervalued retina lineup.

Look around, other manufacturers are making screen as good as the retina screens. They do not corner the marketplace in much anymore.

Just my opinion...
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I hope you are right so that we could see a Haswell cMBP this fall... :D
 
One possibility is that Apple releases the Haswell rMBPs in October and defers the cMBP updates until later, so many people move forward with the retina machines but offer the classic MBPs later
 
maflynn said:
One possibility is that Apple releases the Haswell rMBPs in October and defers the cMBP updates until later, so many people move forward with the retina machines but offer the classic MBPs later
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I doubt they would release only the retina exclusively. From what I read, Retina screens are scarce and Apple keeps reaching a bottleneck in production because of this. Only Samsung has the ability to reach their demands, but still couldn't manage to release the refreshed Retinas in June.

Apple is highly efficient at producing the cMBP, hence I doubt they would drop the line or launch it later. They will surely release them side by side. I really don't think Apple can go Retina-exclusive just yet.

Maybe in a year or 2. But that would be when the Retina price is equal to the classic's current price. They will slowly phase it out like they did wit the plastic macbooks.

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mcarling said:
A 16GB RAM / 1TB SSD configuration might become available with the 13" Haswell rMBP.
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Yea, but to go from 256GB to 1TB SSD would cost at LEAST $1000 extra. Realistically, it would be $1200 based on Apple's pricing pattern for extra SSD storage.
 
AXs said:
to go from 256GB to 1TB SSD would cost at LEAST $1000 extra. Realistically, it would be $1200 based on Apple's pricing pattern for extra SSD storage.
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Count Blah said:
Yes, for a thousand dollars more than the cMBP.
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We don't know what the pricing will be for the Haswell rMBP or for various BTO options. RAM and SSD prices continue to decline and Retina display prices, especially in larger sizes, continue to decline.

I would be willing to bet that the price difference for the Haswell rMBP between an 8GB/256GB configuration and a 16GB/1TB configuration would be at most $1000. (It currently costs $900 to go from an 8GB/256GB configuration to a 16GB/768GB configuration.)
 
mcarling said:
A 16GB RAM / 1TB SSD configuration might become available with the 13" Haswell rMBP.
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Maybe, but will it be <$1500 for a 13" or will it be something in the range of $3K.

If this is not a complete money grab by Apple (non-upgradeable systems) then why would they not put the 2-3mm of thickness back in the system and allow for 7mm drives. There are 1TB SSDs in 7mm format, as well as 1TB standard drives coming in 7mm format.

I could not care less if my system was 2mm thinner. I DO care that I can upgrade/repair my components to increase the longevity of my purchase.

Apple is pushing to get you to rebuy every couple years. Planned obsolescence on an incredibly overpriced product.

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mcarling said:
We don't know what the pricing will be for the Haswell rMBP or for various BTO options. RAM and SSD prices continue to decline and Retina display prices, especially in larger sizes, continue to decline.

I would be willing to bet that the price difference for the Haswell rMBP between an 8GB/256GB configuration and a 16GB/1TB configuration would be at most $1000. (It currently costs $900 to go from an 8GB/256GB configuration to a 16GB/768GB configuration.)
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It costs $900 to go from a 256GB to a 768GB but the RAM is not even upgradeable via BTO on the 13"

It is a very reasonable assumption that a 1TB SSD price from Apple will be $900+ (my guess is $1200+) and we already know in other Apple pricing that they charge at least $200 to go from 8GB to 16GB. Because Apple FORCES you to buy their soldered on crap if you want more RAM, they gain several advantages...

- They can charge whatever they want
- It can't be fixed, unless you take it to Apple or a Authorized reseller
- If you do need to have it fixed outside of Warranty (1 YR) it will require a logic board replacement ($1K)
- Most people will just upgrade the whole system (Apple is planning on you doing this, and forcing your hand as much as they can)

Apple recovered from despair because they became a very customer centric company. These steps are an "about face" from that mindset.

Oh, and did I mention that if you want a 3 year warranty on their $2K-$3K product, you have to pay $250+ tax additional. LOL

:):D:):D:):eek::):cool::D
 
Macboy Pro said:
Apple is pushing to get you to rebuy every couple years. Planned obsolescence on an incredibly overpriced product.
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The suggestion that a laptop bought today with 8GB or 16GB of RAM will be obsolete in a couple of (i.e. two) years seems like quite the exaggeration. 4GB of RAM is useable today and quite fine if the swapping is done to SSD and not to HDD.

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Macboy Pro said:
It is a very reasonable assumption that a 1TB SSD price from Apple will be $900+ (my guess is $1200+)
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I don't think that's a reasonable assumption. For the Ivy Bridge products, the price difference between 256GB and 512GB of SSD is $300 (although the price difference between 512GB and 768GB is $400). With declining wholesale flash costs, I guess the price for each 256GB of additional SSD capacity in the Haswell products will probably be $200 or $250 and certainly not more than $300. Your assumption that it will cost $400+ for each 256GB increment from 256GB to 1TB assumes that Apple will increase SSD prices from the current levels, which would be unprecedented.
 
AXs said:
Yea, but to go from 256GB to 1TB SSD would cost at LEAST $1000 extra. Realistically, it would be $1200 based on Apple's pricing pattern for extra SSD storage.
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It will be expensive but IMHO it won't be that expensive. And that SSD will most likely be a PCIe SSD so it would outperform anything one could buy for the cMBP. And Apple's RAM prices, while more than third party RAM, have come down.
 
It isn't like Apple hasn't done it before.

When the original Air came out, it cost ONE THOUSAND DOLLARS to go from 80GB HDD to 64GB SSD.

Also, the price of Apple's SSD will not be going down for at least a year. It is going to stay true to Haswell Air's pricing steps. So pricing for 128->256->512 is pretty much fixed.

Using the 128 as base:
128GB-->256GB(+$200)-->512(+$300)-->768(+$400)-->1TB(+$500?)

Maybe Apple will drop the gap between 512 and 768 to +$300? and then +$400 to get to 1TB? That will still make it $1000 on top of the 256GB model.

That's pretty much the price of a new Macbook Air.
 
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