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Currently holding out on a MBP 15".
I fear I'll have to try and grab one of the remaining 2012 models after whichever keynote the new lineup is announced though.

- Matte Screen
- Space for a good and small (cheap!) system SSD
- Self-serviceable storage in case of failure
- Ethernet (having 2 separate network adapters is useful to me)
- Proper Audio-In

If I have to trade the above for a bump in battery life and display resolution, thats not a trade I am happy to make. We'll see - there remains still a glimpse of illogical hope for the retro model to get one last spec bump :)
 
Lots of 'pro's' want the ability to upgrade because that's the way they have always done it. Time to move on from that. Computers are consumer devices, not a hobby anymore. Apple needs to focus on the 95% of the market that wants to hit a power button and have it work, not the 5% that want to tinker.

do you know that pro stand for? it means professional, it is not for those 95% of the market, air IS.
 
do you know that pro stand for? it means professional, it is not for those 95% of the market, air IS.

Ah, the old pro bigoted argument. Pro's are more than just graphic design guys, movie creators, and dJ's. Pro stands for professional and that can be for many different industries.
 
Is cmbp just what we call the non retina model now?

Yeah, pretty much. I think the cMBP (classic) is just called the "Macbook Pro" by apple, while they're calling the rMBP the "Macbook Pro with Retina Display". Like they did with the iPad when retina came out for it. Cept they name the old one the "iPad 2" just to keep the confusion to a minimum I think.
 
If you watch they keynotes where Apple introduced the retina models, they very specifically just called them the "Next Generation Macbook Pro".

The retina MBPs are the new Macbook Pro going forward. They just happen to still be selling the old one too for now.

I don't see them putting any significant engineering or design work into the old MBP at this point.

In the October keynote where they introduced the 13" rMBP, even Phil Schiller said: "For those who still want it, we keep the old generation MacBook Pros there..."
 
As there's no faster option, I ordered the 5K1500. My 7K1000 is too fragmented.

No way a rMB"P" with 32GiB RAM and 1.5TB drive would be sold for a reasonable price.

Looking for a reliable notebook with quad i7 and AMD graphics that can be so upgraded.
 
As there's no faster option, I ordered the 5K1500. My 7K1000 is too fragmented.

No way a rMB"P" with 32GiB RAM and 1.5TB drive would be sold for a reasonable price.

Looking for a reliable notebook with quad i7 and AMD graphics that can be so upgraded.
Good luck finding a laptop with 32 Gigs of RAM.
 
upgrading is one of the most interesting thing when using a mac, I don't want to loss it. for the optical drive, even it useless, you can still install a second ssd there.

Upgrading is for people who didn’t order it the right way the first time.

You can’t upgrade the CPU, GPU or display. You can’t add new capabilities to it. You can upgrade the memory or storage. Yawn.
 
No way a rMB"P" with 32GiB RAM and 1.5TB drive would be sold for a reasonable price.

Looking for a reliable notebook with quad i7 and AMD graphics that can be so upgraded.

There will not be any quality laptops with 32GB of RAM before Broadwell, at the earliest. A rMBP with 32GB of RAM and 1.5TB SSD will be available with either Broadwell (2014) or Skylake (2015).
 
There will not be any quality laptops with 32GB of RAM before Broadwell, at the earliest. A rMBP with 32GB of RAM and 1.5TB SSD will be available with either Broadwell (2014) or Skylake (2015).

I disagree. For quality, there is one Thinkpad model, but NVIDIA-only.
 
Upgrading is for people who didn’t order it the right way the first time.

You can’t upgrade the CPU, GPU or display. You can’t add new capabilities to it. You can upgrade the memory or storage. Yawn.

That is such an amazingly narrow minded way of viewing things. Maximum $$$ outlay on initial purchase is great for businesses, piss-poor for consumer.

The question you need to answer is why are you so anti-consumer?
 
That is such an amazingly narrow minded way of viewing things. Maximum $$$ outlay on initial purchase is great for businesses, piss-poor for consumer.

The question you need to answer is why are you so anti-consumer?

We should reduce our consumerism else we will destroy our lovely planet... :D. I keep asking myself what is more recyclable and less contaminating, rMBP or cMBP?... :D
 
That is such an amazingly narrow minded way of viewing things. Maximum $$$ outlay on initial purchase is great for businesses, piss-poor for consumer.

The question you need to answer is why are you so anti-consumer?

Building upgradability increases costs and benefits only a tiny minority of purchasers. I’d rather benefit the majority of Apple customers (and their stockholders)
 
So I only read the first page but I'll point out why I think the cMBP should stay. At this point it makes a good replacement for the budget macbook. I mean it already was pretty expensive but the retina MBPs are priced at a total premium that people who are more budget minded (or have to be) definitely cannot justify for a laptop. And the air doesn't really offer as much power for the same price the cMBP's (for one you pay a lot more if you want a decent sized hard drive). It's a good compromise between needing some power but not caring you deal with some thickness to get that.

I know I wouldn't want to have to be relegated to the air of the same price and I couldn't really justify the rMBP or the air that has at the least an upgraded enough storage space.

Without the cMBP they really don't have a good "low end" (well as low end as mac goes) macbook. And really, they really should have at least one that is more accessable to the masses and not just the elite.
 
I disagree. For quality, there is one Thinkpad model, but NVIDIA-only.
You and I have different standards of quality.

We should reduce our consumerism else we will destroy our lovely planet... :D. I keep asking myself what is more recyclable and less contaminating, rMBP or cMBP?... :D
That's clear. Apple have made tremendous progress, leading the industry, in making computers more recyclable and less toxic to the environment. That alone, even without all the other good reasons, would be reason enough for me to want to see the cMBP discontinued.
 
speak for yourself. The cmbp is superior to the rmbp if apple gives the cmbp a retina display by removing the superdrive. This way we can still have user replaceable components.

If you want a 15" quad core mba, especially with apple dropping the dgpu with the next refresh most likely, then that is what you want. But it's not something that everybody wants.

I want to upgrade my c(r)mbp in 2 years with a 2tb ssd pci-e which should be afforable by then, because 1 tb ssd's are cheap already and also upgrade my ram possibly.


1 tb ssd's are cheap already

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