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cMBP Haswell? or discontinued
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cMBP 13 is still most popular MBP. Its hard to believe for me, that Apple will kill so easy the line that gives them lots of money. We can see a strange situation where if cMBP will be updated to Haswell with GT750M will be faster than retina MBP with Iris Pro 5200.
I would like to see a cMBP 15 with i7 2.7 GHz, 8 GB RAM, GT750M and 1TB of HDD.
I would like to see a cMBP 15 with i7 2.7 GHz, 8 GB RAM, GT750M and 1TB of HDD.
yes, if you are just surfing the web of writing a paper. But a lot of folks who use the MBP for professional work easily bust through 8 gigs of RAM now. A VM or two with an intensive application in each and you are pushing 16 easily. In two years, the demand will be even greater.
A Comparable model being $1000 more is not consumer friendly, no matter how much you try to spin it.
No, it's not. Every time I go into an Apple store I ask whether they sell more cMBPs or rMBPs. Most refuse to answer, but several have told me they sell more rMBPs. No Apple store employee has ever told me that they sell more cMBPs.
They are not comparable models. An SSD is vastly superior to a HDD. The Retina display is vastly superior to a non-Retina display. Considering that someone just posted today that he bought from Amazon a rMBP for less than $1141, the price difference between rMBP and cMBP is not necessarily $1000.
They'll cut it. It's the old model.
I would be surprised if it was ever upgraded again. Theres just no point.
They may keep it around as a cheap alternative for a few years, like the ipod classic, but the MBP never made a dramatic change like the ipod did...the new ones look like the old ones, and the main difference in ipods was going from 160gb to something like 16 or 32gb, losing where you put most of your music in a music player..meanwhile, there is no single giant obvious drawback to the rMBP. So cMBP won't be around too long.It will be like the plastic MB and the MBA cycle. Once retina's drop a little in price, the cMBP will be gone.
It's been very clear for years now that Apples line up is heading towards: wireless, minimal cables, thin, light, power through integration of software and components, sealed units, and all retina.
The cMBP is not aimed towards those things. It's advantage is upgradeability (and price), something Apple doesn't prioritize or is moving away from because it makes products thicker, with more parts and less room for useful stuff while a relatively small number truly require accessibility.
Apple has a vision and is moving to make it a reality, and they are banking people will like it even if it is new and different than what they are used to. Just like they always have; they released the cube, the Mac, the iMac, the new MacPro, the iPhone, the iPod, TB, MBA etc etc.
You want your laptop to last more than 3 years? Then....use it for more than 3 years. This isn't 1997, or even 2005, where your computer can barely run an OS 2-4 years later. Its going to last at least 5 or 6 if you want, more for basic tasks. If you are doing advanced tasks, well, you could never upgrade the GPU or CPU anyways on a laptop, which is the main reason to upgrade. So your cycle hasn't changed.
Expandability in a laptop is, and always has been, not useful (thats why few do it). You can't upgrade the processor or the graphics card without major work, and never have been able to. People don't use multiple batteries enough to make it worth having a smaller, swappable battery. The only thing is the HD and the RAM. People I know buy laptops because their old one is "slow", not because they ran out of space on the HD. The only useful upgrade is RAM.
4gb of RAM has been workable for years now; I have 4gb and still run Aperture fine. 8gb will run basic apps for many, many years. 8gb will run prosumer apps for at least 3-4 years, and pro apps for less depending on what you are doing. 16gb should serve demanding users for a long time, YMMV depending on what you are doing. But I imagine if you REALLY NEED more than that much, you work on a desktop or at an office. I can't think of people who do 3d modeling, high level photoshop, atmosphere simulations etc etc in their hotel room/coffee shop.
HD space? Get the 512 and store everything else on a drive or in the cloud. Its 2013, people and industry are moving away from gigantic amounts of files needed on board at all times. If you are a pro who needs 1.5 tb with you to edit movies on location, use an external. Now your project works on a desktop too, and if its USB3, theres no loss to using an external connection. A 2tb HDD is a little bigger than an iphone.
I am sure someone will reply in anger, but I don't mean to offend or tell anyone what to do. I am just pointing out the way Apple and most of the world is moving, which is away from the cMBP. If any of the cMBP fans could really explain (cogently please) any upgrades that make a cMBP computer last longer or really improve it, I would be honestly glad to hear it....personally, I plan on spending some $500 and not worrying about a onetime upgrade in 3 years thats going to save me $200.
I would be surprised if it was ever upgraded again. Theres just no point.
They may keep it around as a cheap alternative for a few years, like the ipod classic, but the MBP never made a dramatic change like the ipod did...the new ones look like the old ones, and the main difference in ipods was going from 160gb to something like 16 or 32gb, losing where you put most of your music in a music player..meanwhile, there is no single giant obvious drawback to the rMBP. So cMBP won't be around too long.It will be like the plastic MB and the MBA cycle. Once retina's drop a little in price, the cMBP will be gone.
It's been very clear for years now that Apples line up is heading towards: wireless, minimal cables, thin, light, power through integration of software and components, sealed units, and all retina.
The cMBP is not aimed towards those things. It's advantage is upgradeability (and price), something Apple doesn't prioritize or is moving away from because it makes products thicker, with more parts and less room for useful stuff while a relatively small number truly require accessibility.
Apple has a vision and is moving to make it a reality, and they are banking people will like it even if it is new and different than what they are used to. Just like they always have; they released the cube, the Mac, the iMac, the new MacPro, the iPhone, the iPod, TB, MBA etc etc.
You want your laptop to last more than 3 years? Then....use it for more than 3 years. This isn't 1997, or even 2005, where your computer can barely run an OS 2-4 years later. Its going to last at least 5 or 6 if you want, more for basic tasks. If you are doing advanced tasks, well, you could never upgrade the GPU or CPU anyways on a laptop, which is the main reason to upgrade. So your cycle hasn't changed.
Expandability in a laptop is, and always has been, not useful (thats why few do it). You can't upgrade the processor or the graphics card without major work, and never have been able to. People don't use multiple batteries enough to make it worth having a smaller, swappable battery. The only thing is the HD and the RAM. People I know buy laptops because their old one is "slow", not because they ran out of space on the HD. The only useful upgrade is RAM.
4gb of RAM has been workable for years now; I have 4gb and still run Aperture fine. 8gb will run basic apps for many, many years. 8gb will run prosumer apps for at least 3-4 years, and pro apps for less depending on what you are doing. 16gb should serve demanding users for a long time, YMMV depending on what you are doing. But I imagine if you REALLY NEED more than that much, you work on a desktop or at an office. I can't think of people who do 3d modeling, high level photoshop, atmosphere simulations etc etc in their hotel room/coffee shop.
HD space? Get the 512 and store everything else on a drive or in the cloud. Its 2013, people and industry are moving away from gigantic amounts of files needed on board at all times. If you are a pro who needs 1.5 tb with you to edit movies on location, use an external. Now your project works on a desktop too, and if its USB3, theres no loss to using an external connection. A 2tb HDD is a little bigger than an iphone.
I am sure someone will reply in anger, but I don't mean to offend or tell anyone what to do. I am just pointing out the way Apple and most of the world is moving, which is away from the cMBP. If any of the cMBP fans could really explain (cogently please) any upgrades that make a cMBP computer last longer or really improve it, I would be honestly glad to hear it....personally, I plan on spending some $500 and not worrying about a onetime upgrade in 3 years thats going to save me $200.
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Lol you are a funny And naive folk...
Ask them about Steve Job and they probably tell you he is still alive living in Caiman islands...
I imagine that every time you go into an Apple store you ask "Is Steve Jobs alive and living in the Cayman Islands?" and the answer is something like "Yea, sure, whatever" and you believe it's true.
Its good logic you are using, but the numbers are wrong. From 256gb to 768gb is $900 upgrade. That is straight from Apple.com. You also are way lowballing Apples markup. Just use history to see that.
With all that said and even if your numbers were accurate, it would still be a ridiculously overpriced 13 " laptop, when Apple could provide a reasonably priced laptop 2mm thicker.
IMHO
No, take another look. From 256GB to 768GB is a $700 upgrade (at the US Apple store). See, for example, this page:
http://store.apple.com/us/configure/ME662LL/A
No, I'm assuming that Apple continue to charge approximately 3x wholesale for RAM and 2x wholesale for SSD upgrades, as they have done for years.
If it it their top selling model, then it's even more beneficial for apple. Because consumers will instead, have to buy the rMBP 13". Which makes them more money. At this point people want to buy a mac, they aren't going to say "oh, well if I have to pay $300 more for the retina, then I'm going to windows!" That's not how it works.
Yeah this is definitely true. I haven't gone around and asked but to me it is obvious what their sales numbers are. Just like in cell phone stores, they sell more of what they are pushing. There's a reason Android phones were selling so much better in Verizon stores (that whole fiasco about iPhones not selling well and what not) it's because they weren't pushing it. Every time I go into an apple store and people ask about laptops, they're pointed right to the retina line first. They try and push the more expensive (and in this case newer) models first. Especially because it's obvious the non-retina's are phasing out (even in employee sales marks)
The 750m is about the same as the 650m in last years rMBP.
I'd rather see the 760m with its 768 spus in the MBP. MSI, ACER and Razer have that GPU in some thin and light models.
I'd get the base model and stick the new 1 TB samsung 840 evo drive, put the hdd in the optical bay. IMO that would be a better pick than the rMBP at $2000.
If you are one that wants them to keep it around, then I think the best case scenario is they keep it around for the next refresh, but I suspect that would be the last one. Worst case, obviously is we are on the last gen of the cMBP. cMBP will never have retina displays, not because of cost but because the internals,(HDD and Optical) eat up the space needed for the battery to drive a retina display. But make no mistake, they aren't here to stay, Apple is looking to kill it.
But hey, then again, they still sell the iPod classic, so I could be wrong.
But hey, then again, they still sell the iPod classic, so I could be wrong.
You don't know anymore about the next MBP then anyone else here does. Your guess isn't any better than anyone else's.
http://www.engadget.com/2013/07/02/14-inch-razer-blade-gaming-laptop-review/
I've read a few of your posts and you certainly have a knack for getting things wrong. Your comments on TDP are laughably ignorant. Keep up the entertainment.
Would it be reasonable to cut the 15" model and keep the 13" model as the 13" model probably sells better than the 15" model for the price conscious consumer? I don't think they'll have to update it for these consumers considering they probably aren't chasing the latest specs...
No they wouldn't cut half the line. If the 13" was selling that much better than the 15" then they would have done something about it already. Likeee make the MBA available in 13" as well. Oh well, they've already done that. Basically, they've done what they can to take advantage of the 13" selling point, but I doubt it cannibalizes 15" sales enough to warrant them keeping the 13" cMBP around just for sales. The 13" rMBP will do fine in a year or 2 when it drops $100-200 more.
