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definitely makes sense in a “computer”.... of any kind, than a phone. The masks have made me go back on the Touch ID bandwagon for phones.
 
I'm really surprised Apple hasn't done this yet since it's so obvious and would be such a cool "magic-like" feature, which we know Apple tends to be fond of.

I know what you mean but apple has extremely long lead times for their features and functions. The keyboard update for the 16in is one of apple's rare quick pivots. I'd be willing to bet they were planning from a long time ago on incorporating this feature into a totally redesigned chassis to take advantage of the new apple silicon. We only found out officially about apple silicon a month ago but there isn't a doubt in my mind they have been designing chassis, features, and functions for the apple silicon Mac's for at least the last three years.
 
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Good. It’s only been on phones for 3 years now and iPads for 2 years so it’s about time the iMac line (with considerably more workable space) caught up
 
Something my three year old $1000 Thinkpad has.... But of course it's not as good as what the Mac will have in 2022, etc etc. Windows Hello has been around for a WHILE.
 
FaceID would be amazing for an iMac used by multiple people.

Imagine sitting down in front of your iMac and it automatically unlocks YOUR session (or logs in if you haven't yet). You don't even have to tell it who you are. When you get up, it locks the screen after a few seconds. It would be seamless.

I'm really surprised Apple hasn't done this yet since it's so obvious and would be such a cool "magic-like" feature, which we know Apple tends to be fond of.

Have you never used a windows laptop with a Windows Hello camera? Does exactly this (logs in the user) and has been doing it for years. I'm surprised that people are so locked up in their Apple ecosystem that they're not even aware of exciting features on other platforms.
 
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Huh, so that mockup looks a little different from what I was imagining, but it's still okay I guess.

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It does make sense to start out with the iMac though, given that MacBooks already have built-in keyboards.

It's analogous to the iPhone lineup: TouchID for home button phones, FaceID for buttonless.

count me right out on any apple computer that tries to use a notch.

i adore my mbp, but i would happily jump off the apple boat if they pulled this same nonsense that they thought was a good idea for phones.
 
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It does make sense to start out with the iMac though, given that MacBooks already have built-in keyboards.

It also makes perfect sense for MacBook. You open the lid it scan your face and you’re in. One single movement. You don’t have to do anything else.
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i’ve never wholly bought that reasoning: I suspect that the true reason is that the Mac never had the Neural Engine before, which is necessary for Face ID

I suspect Apple keep FaceID knowing they will transition to their own silicon soon and will make this the feature of.
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How will this work with desktop Macs or when a MacBook is docked?

Docked MacBook is a great question. I presume in that scenario you’ll forgo FaceID and forced to use passcode instead.
 
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I love faceID (or whatever windows calls it) on my HP Spectre x360 and the bezels isn't that big at all.

IMO, way overdue on the MacBook pro.

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Windows Hello!
^ Microsoft's brand equivalent using Infrared.

Is that a Spectre laptop or a workstation Spectre model? I couldn't get with the angled hinge bezel at the back vs the EliteBook lineup design (which I know looks old for most).
 
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As someone who clamshells my MBP, like iMac users, I have to use an external keyboard. Be nice if they added Touch ID to there keyboards too.
 
Face ID makes much more sense than Touch ID for the Mac.

Quite the opposite, in iPhones it makes sense while in Macs it doesn't make any sense at all, only when you wanna login your session. I want to actively "confirm" I'm making a bank/payment or whatever by using my fingerprint, and when I don't want to I just won't be doing it. But having a camera pointing at your face all day long just makes any confirmation de facto. And if to avoid that de facto confirmation they make you click somewhere/do something else, it basically takes away all that "comfyness" that FaceID would give you over touchID, which by the way is at the reach of your hand as any other key.

It seems to me that this "everything faster, more instant, easier!" spiral world is getting into doesn't have any end. Next thing will be Elon's Neuralink be like "using your hands? Eww, why would you make the effort when you just can control your computer with your thoughts!?"

That means it'll come with MUCH better webcams. Bout time. Don't understand why they're stuck in the 2012s with their 720p FaceTime HD camera, even on their MacBook Pros.

Because people pays more for things they benefit from, and you perceive any direct benefit from letting others see you better. So people doesn't give a sh*t about computer's webcam quality, as they won't be taking selfies with it (they have their phone for that). Since Apple knows that and no one pressures them to improve those, they slap a dirt cheap 720p which cuts costs and gives them even more margins.
 
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Do you think Apple will eventually stop requiring users to come up with passwords and use biometric authentication from start to finish? I assume the bad user passwords are a vulnerability. Is there something preventing the elimination of typed passwords or good reasons to keep using them forever?
Long passwords (16 characters or longer with letters numbers special characters etc) is still way secure than any biometric authentication methods to date, It’s just people don’t want to remember a long password, but willing to look at the computer to unlock.
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Not before @&@! time. My brand new $4,000 Macbook Pro doesn't have FaceID... but you can buy Windows PCs for as little as $500 that do. WTF?

But... but people say Windows hello can be fooled by a picture of you. Idk if it is real cause I still type password to authenticate.
 
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I thought it would be coming to the iMac, but the prevailing argument was always that the MacBook lid is too thin to allow an improved webcam or a FaceID module.

I have a Dell Latitude 7400 with "FaceID" (Express Sign-in). It has a THIN bezel. It's also a 2-in-1. It's been out for over a year.
 
Quite the opposite, in iPhones it makes sense while in Macs it doesn't make any sense at all, only when you wanna login your session. I want to actively "confirm" I'm making a bank/payment or whatever by using my fingerprint, and when I don't want to I just won't be doing it. But having a camera pointing at your face all day long just makes any confirmation de facto. And if to avoid that de facto confirmation they make you click somewhere/do something else, it basically takes away all that "comfyness" that FaceID would give you over touchID, which by the way is at the reach of your hand as any other key.

It seems to me that this "everything faster, more instant, easier!" spiral world is getting into doesn't have any end. Next thing will be Elon's Neuralink be like "using your hands? Eww, why would you make the effort when you just can control your computer with your thoughts!?"



Because people pays more for things they benefit from, and you perceive any direct benefit from letting others see you better. So people doesn't give a sh*t about computer's webcam quality, as they won't be taking selfies with it (they have their phone for that). Since Apple knows that and no one pressures them to improve those, they slap a dirt cheap 720p which cuts costs and gives them even more margins.
My Dell laptop has "FaceID" and it's wonderful.
 
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I’m all for Face ID to Mac

windows hello is my favourite way to unlock a laptop. Is simple and quick. Would love an even more secure version of this on Mac
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As someone who clamshells my MBP, like iMac users, I have to use an external keyboard. Be nice if they added Touch ID to there keyboards too.

i hope they’ll implement both

Many windows laptops Have both and it’s Super awesome
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Long passwords (16 characters or longer with letters numbers special characters etc) is still way secure than any biometric authentication methods to date, It’s just people don’t want to remember a long password, but willing to look at the computer to unlock.
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But... but people say Windows hello can be fooled by a picture of you. Idk if it is real cause I still type password to authenticate.

You can choose your preferred sign in method. And you can have both

windows hello is awesome. Its one of those features that when you use it enough, you really appreciate. It also is what I expected Apple to implement in Their Macs after the iPhone X was revealed.... it’s just so easy, fast and awesome to log in. You open up your laptop and boom you’re in
 
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Recently went from a 2014 to a 2019 MBP and have realized two things about the transition: I hate Touch ID on the MBP, and Face ID is desperately needed on a MBP. I’ve almost disabled Touch ID because I hate having to move my hands from their “normal” position. (Wow at the first world problem.) Moving even further down the road... I can’t wait til the day when I never have to remember a password or move a body part to get access to a site, app, etc. God, get us to that point. Face ID is a great stepping stone to where we need to eventually be: NEVER. Having to to think about passwords.
 
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If they still need a bump, I hope the bump on iMac is outward not a ditch into the display.
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FaceID would be amazing for an iMac used by multiple people.

Imagine sitting down in front of your iMac and it automatically unlocks YOUR session (or logs in if you haven't yet). You don't even have to tell it who you are. When you get up, it locks the screen after a few seconds. It would be seamless.

I'm really surprised Apple hasn't done this yet since it's so obvious and would be such a cool "magic-like" feature, which we know Apple tends to be fond of.
It's too thick for MacBook Pro touchbar models. The display at the camera location is only about 1.8 mm thick if you take away the glass and metal casing.
 
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