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Complaints About the 2016 MBP Underpowered Justified?
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Nvidia cards are better for gaming and one hell of a lot better for the Adobe suite... which is the bulk of most creative pipelines. So why exactly are you demeaning the absolute best mobile graphics card outside of a mobile workstation (which would also be Nvidia) that absolutely blows the MBP's out of the water for work and play?
Even the budget 1050ti - which will likely be in most cheap and mid-range ultrabook laptops next year, totally and completely dominates it, to the point it looks 2 or 3 generations ahead? This time next Christmas, a $700 laptop will render faster than Apple's $4000 offering. This is not sane.
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I think the bizarre leap that laptop choice is some sort of job-worthiness signifer is the even more interesting oddity in that paragraph.
13" XPS models start at $799. Where did you get $1999? The i5 models appear to start at $999. Perhaps you meant that? $1999 is just inaccurate.
I replied to a poster for being smug, not directed at you mate. As I said buy a tool for your needs, here is no defined definition of that a laptop is, could be an ultra slick portable, or a brick..
Good point, 10xx are incredible in power.
but the same can be said about these machines becoming obsolete:
Quadro M1000M 4GB in Lenovo P50 (2.5kg, Quad Core)
Quadro M500M 2GB in Lenovo P50s (2.2kg, ULV Dual Core)
GeForce GTX 960M 2GB in Dell XPS 15 (2kg, Quad Core)
GeForce GTX 965M 2GB in Microsoft Surface Book with Performance Base (13.5" 1.65kg, ULV Dual Core)
FirePro W5170M 2GB in Dell Precision 7510 (15" 2.79kg, Quad Core)
Quadro M1000M 2GB in Dell Precision 5510 (15" 1.78kg, Quad Core)
FirePro W5130M 2GB in Dell Precision 3510 (15" 2.23kg, Quad Core)
FirePro W4190M 2 GB in HP ZBook Workstation Ultrabook (15" 1.9kg, ULV Dual Core)
Quadro M1000M 4 GB in HP ZBook Studio G3 (15" 2kg, Quad Core)
Quadro M600M 2 GB, Quadro M1000M 2 GB, Quadro M2000M 4 GB, FirePro W5170M 2 GB in HP ZBook 15 G3 (15" 2.63kg)
I also wonder if 50w for 1050 and 35w for Pro 460 is worth mentioning, because you obviously ignored power consumption and heat output in your rant.
Not that I'm defending 2016 rMBP (no need cause I don't like it and won't buy it for other reasons)... But seriously, could you smart critics name at least one decent laptop that has all the advantages of 15 rMBP and fixes most drawbacks? PLEASE AT LEAST ONE. Not the first time I'm asking this. (Pro tip - XPS 15 isn't one)
But the January refresh - likely with Kabylake and 1050ti, and quite possibly the new generation of PCIe/NVMe SSDs - surely will be?
FYI, these SSD's in the MBP's are most likely Samsung's new 960 PRO. You can just buy one of these later on, and install them easily on the Windows machines you mentioned (As far as I'm aware, not sure about the Surface Book).
Open package contents --> macos foldercongratulations for missing the entire point /golf clap.
yes there are people that buy Alienware that laugh at you too matemake jokes about Starbucks and fashion accessories......dont let that smugness wear off
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I just tried to run R15 on my 2015 and 2016 and the software has failed to load on both.
This is known as the Apple-Starbucks curse. It follows people who make fun of those using MBPs. Causes network connectivity issues and losing your job for no apparent reason.
There have reports that if a cursed person is viewed against the morning light, a ghost-like figure in the shape of Steve Jobs is nearby. The ghost appears to be drinking an overpriced "Triple, Venti, Half Sweet, Non-Fat, Caramel Macchiato".
Beware!
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Spot on.
http://www.expertreviews.co.uk/samsung/1405293/samsung-960-pro-review-the-best-ssd-yet
PC users can easily upgrade, and for less, and when the 970 Pro is out, yet again they can upgrade while we are stuck with soldered SSD, this used to be the path for macs also where you could upgrade to the fastest storage.
My Mac mini is running raid 0 850 pros. With soldered storage from 2012 it would be much slower. I can upgrade it to 860 or 870 in the future ...
And the top 15" XPS model (1Tb SSD, 32Gb of Ram, 4k touchdisplay, Nvidia Geforce GTX960M) cost now 2200€. I almost went for it instead of the new MBP, but most of people I work with use Macbook so I had to go with mac for comaptibility reasons (exchanging projects from Premiere, Final cut, Davinci resolve, etc).
Yes exactly.
All this is getting boring to be honest, everyone here knows Apple's angle, business model, pricing structure. If what they're doing doesn't float your boat anymore just buy something else, the world wont implode.
If you're looking for a laptop based on purely GPU/CPU power then you'll likely be disappointed with Apple's price to power ratio. I'm not crazy about the new prices either, I looked elsewhere and when I factored in things that are important to me, it's clear the Macbook Pro is best in class by a country mile.
It is a great balance of power and efficiency neatly packaged in a beautifully designed unibody, perfect display and [usually] excellent customer support.. and it runs macOS.
Want a powerful GPU? Look at Razer Blade, just check out their forums and look at issues with throttling, limiting, heat, fan noise, light bleed on displays, rubbish battery... the list goes on, sacrifies are made to deliver specs. Less cash to spend elsewhere as it's all gone on GPUs and CPU power that is being throttled anyway to maintain suitable thermal levels and battery life.
The funny thing is, the new Macbook Pros (and old) are still insanely powerful and are capable of handling almost every task a user can throw at it.. some people are just never happy.
That's where you are wrong these users were never apples target notebook consumer. Apple have always gone with great CPU middling GPU and a great balance between portability, battery life and overall performance.
The only reason the high end users bought them was because everyone else's notebooks were just rubbish. Now other manufacturers are not so rubbish buy something else.
Not really, it's still a portable computer. Is it a computer that you can carry around to different offices as a portable workstation? Hell yes!
People have different needs, thinness and looks for some people are not on the priority list.
That said I want a jack of most trades, so I'm going to get a MacBook Pro, but most people in my office are getting these things you are saying are desktops.
I used to work for a major corporation and they use ThinkPads. A lot of high-end users (and major businesses) use ThinkPads. They weren't rubbish and still aren't. You could always get a real workhorse in a ThinkPad, if somewhat bland and unexciting, but with very good performance, features, reliability, upgradability and repairability. You still can.
I like Macbooks and I have one, will probably buy a new one, but let's not fall over ourselves with admiration. It's a good compromise of portability and performance, the new Macbooks I think are not so great on price, but they aren't the ultimate laptop. It's just a matter of preference and needs.
Generally speaking, I find it interesting that I haven't seen many businesses in the IT sector using Macbooks. Google being the big exception, generally I see Lenovo, HP and Dell a lot.
You completely ignored my main point Apple have never made big thick heavy desktop replacements like a thinkpad!!! If that's what you need buy a bloody thinkpad!!
What you mean apart from IBM swapping to macs and saying they are already saving them money, see this story from a few months ago....
https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...43-less-expensive-than-pcs-over-time.2008242/
I currently have 64gb of ram in a mac pro. I eat through 12-16ish gigs just with Photoshop and Illustrator. If i have a bunch of tabs open in Chrome, I'm easily up to 16-18 gigs while working. If I am rendering in the background it's around 17-18. Add a VM and we're up to 24-26GB. I am creating extremely large images or extremely detailed images. The only current part of the Mac line up that is viable is the Mac Pro. However, the tube is a nightmare I don't think I will go with. I'm pretty sure this is my last Mac.
The iMac takes 64gb of ram and outperforms the Mac Pro in many metrics is cheaper and has the best screen on an all in one you can buy!!
First, you were saying that other laptops were rubbish, and I was merely refuting this incorrect point.
Also, you're factually wrong. Apple did make a big heavy desktop replacement, which was the 17" Macbook Pro. At 3kg and 17", I think it qualifies.
"Smith describes a recent conversation between Tim Cook and IBM vice president Fletcher Previn in which Previn indicated the initiative could see 50–75 percent of IBM employees eventually converting to Macs from the Lenovo ThinkPads that are currently the company standard"
So eventually, maybe, a big proportion of IBM employees will switch to Macs. Meantime Google is switching to Chromebooks. So what?
I don't get this fetishization of Apple products, and the absurd need to rubbish everything else. Macbooks are ok but they aren't the ultimate laptop, not the single best thing out there in terms of mobile computing, and it will certainly not become industry mainstream - not at the current prices.
Thanks, but I'm really not into computers that throttle under load and sound like a dust buster is strapped to my monitor. I don't really need anymore 5k monitors as I've got one here and another on the way. I was hoping for a 32 gig version of this Mac book pro so I could move part of my work load to it and buy a PC for 3D apps but I guess it's gonna be a Windows based world. I've been using Macs since I got my first hand me down Performa so I'm a wee bit salty.
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I have come to a conclusion, a lot of the complaints come down to, I have a capable Mac right now, but I want the 2016 model, but I can't justify spending the money. So, instead of being happy with what you have, I am just going to complain about the new model to satisfy some anger I can't buy the new model or can't afford it.
This is exactly correct.
So much thin skin on the part of people over a laptop computer. It's a big world, people, you might try to get out and see some of it and perhaps you'll realize how utterly stupid these First World problems are.
I said in the past the other laptops were rubbish and from a performance portability, quality of construction balance point of view, they were shocking, in 2010 only Apple made a laptop worth having. Sony were the best of the rest and look what happened to them!!!
The 17 inch pro had exactly the same specs as the 15 inch of the same vintage and had a middlling GPU and top end CPU it was no more a desktop replacement than the 15 inch, just like the ones made today, nothing has changed.
This is not about rubbishing everything else, other manufacturers are making some very good computers (about time). This is about the rubbishing of apples very good computers because they don't make what YOU want....
And for me they are the ultimate laptop, they make the best compromises for my use cases (all laptopsare a computing compromise), use the best silicon currently available within their TDP, provide great battery life great software and fantastic portability. I firmly believe that the best laptop is the one you can be bothered to take with you and still has some charge, lucky for me Apple agree with me.
For me the Apple trackpad has always been and remains the killer feature that keeps me on a MBP. It is the one feature I use most when interacting with the machine and, therefore, I weight more heavily than any other feature. Almost as important is the screen - here again Apple seems far superior.
Notice that the features I value most are ergonomic rather than performance. As long as a machine meets a certain minimum threshold of performance (and the MBPs certainly do), the ergonomic features (in which I would also include the operating system) take on far more importance to me. And this is where Apple far outstrips the competition...and why they can charge what they do.