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Why do ppl keep saying it looks the same? The the fricking bezel it's been the same since the iPhone 1 what's the problem ?!! The phones front is iconic it's sleek ! And the back will be metal this till which I think it's a plus from glass(4s) so guys stop complaining !!!!


P.s ( my iPhone 3GS just keep holding on ,hang in there! The 5 is almost here)
 
I'm really excited about the new iteration of the iPhone. I've had a Droid X for more than 2 years and can't wait to make the switch. I read all these negative comments from people who are registered members of a Mac forum and, while it's somewhat surprising, it's also a plus if these people won't go out and buy it because that means I'll have a better chance of being able to pick one up on launch day!

My two kids have the iPhone 4, and my mom has the iPhone 4S (my wife has a dumb phone and I can't convince her otherwise). I'm an Apple guy, but what kept me from buying the iPhone in the past is the smaller screen real estate. My Droid X is 4.3" and comparing that size to the iPhones I've played around with I just couldn't get comfortable with the 3.5" screen. We pay quite a bit for smartphones, both for the hardware and the monthly plans, and I'm assuming most of us use the phones for much more than telephone calls. I like having as much real estate as possible when using the phone for emails, texts, online usage, videos, document review/revision when away from the office, etc. I was seriously considering the Samsung Galaxy S3 but I really want to wait until launch so I can compare the two. The Google operating system is cool, especially for people with the knowledge and know-how to tinker. But my experience is that it's clunky and prone to slow down/crashing. Obviously my experience is limited to one phone only and it's likely come a long way in two years. But what I have liked about my family's iPhones is that they don't experience crashes, they're as fast as they were the day they bought them, and they're built FAR more solidly than my Droid X. Plus the Mac App Store is infinitely more expansive than the Android Market.

My next phone, which I will purchase in the next 30 days or so must have at least a 4" screen, 4G LTE and well-functioning voice recognition/command software. It looks like those three requirements will be met with the new iPhone. If so, it will probably an iPhone for me! OTOH, I really don't consider the placement of the headphone jack, the size of the dock connector, the thickness of the glass, et al. to be of major import. But that's just me, and I'm sure there are many others for whom those attributes are deal makers or breakers. What I do consider important, apart from the few (maybe) superficial things I mention above, is that Apple software has impressed me with my iMac and my iPod touch, and the hardware Apple produces seems to be solidly built. In short, their products just seem to work, and they do so impressively.

Sorry for the longwinded message but count me as a fan of what appears from the leaks to be a very nice new iPhone. For those of you who don't like what you've seen or heard from the leaks, by all means pick up something else that will better suit your needs. Maybe those of us who are excited about the new iPhone will have a better chance of actually being able to own one on launch day 'cause I have a feeling this is going to be a MONSTER launch.
 
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Why do ppl keep saying it looks the same? The the fricking bezel it's been the same since the iPhone 1 what's the problem ?!! The phones front is iconic it's sleek ! And the back will be metal this till which I think it's a plus from glass(4s) so guys stop complaining !!!!


P.s ( my iPhone 3GS just keep holding on ,hang in there! The 5 is almost here)

Unless you need LTE, you should really consider buying an iPhone 4. The small increase in screen size for the new phone isn't worth the hundreds extra you'll pay for it. The iPhone 4 has the same chip as the first gen iPad with more RAM, so it will be well supported for at least another year. You'll also get the same high dpi Retina display.

If you wanted to, you could spend more for a 4s and you'd get an A5 dual core chip....probably guarantees you two more years of support.

This is what's so disappointing for many of us. As much as I wanted to, Apple gave me ZERO reason to upgrade last year, and this year it looks to be LTE (not sure about coverage for me, or extra data cost). The new iPhone itself is not as attractive as the 4 or 4S and the additional half inch screen length just doesn't seem worth it.
 
I'm really not interested. iPhone users have been fed the same product with tweaks here and there for years now, and if you ask me the iPhone is no where near deserving of being called an "elite phone" anymore. The iPhone (and its operating system iOS) line has gone stale and I for one wont upgrade my iPhone 4. What exactly are Apple doing to innovate or push through new technology in the iPhone? A 0.5" screen increase, probably a slightly faster processor, little more RAM maybe, and a very boring upgraded iOS 6 that I would consider iOS 5.5. The iPhone no longer offers unique selling points, Android phone are more than capable nowadays and surpass the iPhone in many ways.

They will still ship millions though.

Have you ever used Android?
I use it right now and I want to go back to iOS. Because a lot of tiny things bother me. You can't tell exactly but it is annoying.
So don't be fooled by those Android's specs. They are misleading. Be happy with something that is not broken. Don't switch to broken phone.
 
I'm really excited about the new iteration of the iPhone. I've had a Droid X for more than 2 years and can't wait to make the switch. I read all these negative comments from people who are registered members of a Mac forum and, while it's somewhat surprising, it's also a plus if these people won't go out and buy it because that means I'll have a better chance of being able to pick one up on launch day!

My two kids have the iPhone 4, and my mom has the iPhone 4S (my wife has a dumb phone and I can't convince her otherwise). I'm an Apple guy, but what kept me from buying the iPhone in the past is the smaller screen real estate. My Droid X is 4.3" and comparing that size to the iPhones I've played around with I just couldn't get comfortable with the 3.5" screen. We pay quite a bit for smartphones, both for the hardware and the monthly plans, and I'm assuming most of us use the phones for much more than telephone calls. I like having as much real estate as possible when using the phone for emails, texts, online usage, videos, document review/revision when away from the office, etc. I was seriously considering the Samsung Galaxy S3 but I really want to wait until launch so I can compare the two. The Google operating system is cool, especially for people with the knowledge and know-how to tinker. But my experience is that it's clunky and prone to slow down/crashing. Obviously my experience is limited to one phone only and it's likely come a long way in two years. But what I have liked about my family's iPhones is that they don't experience crashes, they're as fast as they were the day they bought them, and they're built FAR more solidly than my Droid X. Plus the Mac App Store is infinitely more expansive than the Android Market.

My next phone, which I will purchase in the next 30 days or so must have at least a 4" screen, 4G LTE and well-functioning voice recognition/command software. It looks like those three requirements will be met with the new iPhone. If so, it will probably an iPhone for me! OTOH, I really don't consider the placement of the headphone jack, the size of the dock connector, the thickness of the glass, et al. to be of major import. But that's just me, and I'm sure there are many others for whom those attributes are deal makers or breakers. What I do consider important, apart from the few (maybe) superficial things I mention above, is that Apple software has impressed me with my iMac and my iPod touch, and the hardware Apple produces seems to be solidly built. In short, their products just seem to work, and they do so impressively.

Sorry for the longwinded message but count me as a fan of what appears from the leaks to be a very nice new iPhone. For those of you who don't like what you've seen or heard from the leaks, by all means pick up something else that will better suit your needs. Maybe those of us who are excited about the new iPhone will have a better chance of actually being able to own one on launch day 'cause I have a feeling this is going to be a MONSTER launch.

I'm sure it will sell like crazy at first.

However, I don't think you'll like going to a smaller screen after two years! Your Droid X has over an inch more square inches than the new iPhone. The Retina quality is very nice, and it would be a far better phone than the Droid X...but compared to the S3? I just don't see how there would be any doubt the S3 was superior...especially if you just change brand names and pretend the S3 was the iPhone 5.
 
I think you are drinking the Apple-flavored Kool-Aid a bit too much....

Did you actually read the post I was responding too? He was asking about drastic changes. Not specifically enhancements or fixes. So I pointed out how drastic the next iPhone could be.

And you're also being extremely short-sighted if you think they would change things just because. If they changed battery chemistry, it's likely because it's safer, longer lasting, quicker charging or has some other advantage. They shrunk the SIM so they could have room for other stuff.

But all you seem to be able to do is maintain a list of reasons how apple has wronged you.
 
This is what's so disappointing for many of us. As much as I wanted to, Apple gave me ZERO reason to upgrade last year, and this year it looks to be LTE (not sure about coverage for me, or extra data cost). The new iPhone itself is not as attractive as the 4 or 4S and the additional half inch screen length just doesn't seem worth it.
Very well said, I feel the same way. Had I not been a victim of Antennagate I wouldn't have bought a 4S, but I desperately needed a phone that would make calls. Now with a phone that works as well as my 3GS did, I have no reason to buy the upcoming iPhone.

It's going to be an odd feeling to watch as Apple rolls out a new model that doesn't appeal. I've always looked forward to my annual upgrades.

But the good news is, I have other new smartphones to look forward to before years end. That will provide me with something different to enjoy.

Perhaps next years iPhone will be equipped with a contemporary sized display. That's all I require before giving it consideration. An iPhone with a 4.5 to 4.8" display would suite me ideally. At first I thought I might find the 4.8" that my Galaxy S III features, might be too large. Yet from the first use until now, I simply couldn't be happier. It makes me want an iPhone with that size even more.
 
Sorry, I still don't buy that this is the real iPhone 5. Who cares about leaks? What we've seen regarding the screen does not make business sense.

Why would a 16:9 ratio be important to Apple? To watch movies on your phone? If they really thought that ability would be so important to users, don't you think they'd have gone with 16:9 on the iPad, rather than the 3.5" phone? Makes no sense.

Why would reaching the 4" mark matter to Apple? The 3.5" iPhone is still far and away the dominant phone in the market, both in sales and consumer mindshare. There are many Android phones at 4.2", 4.7", and even 5"+ out there, so it's not like a 4" screen is going to earn Apple some kind of bragging rights.

Why would they put their developers through all the hassle of developing for another aspect ratio? I watch these forums, and I've seen many people wrongly assume that it's not alot of work for developers to support the new screen size. Guess what? It IS alot of work. It's just as much work as supporting the iPad. Sure, some simple apps and extremely generic UIs won't need any changes, but anyone who makes even a moderately complex game or app is going to have unnecessary work on their hands for no gain. I don't see why Apple would do that to the developers, especially when Microsoft and Google are so aggressively trying to persuade them to support their platforms.

Then again, Steve is gone. Anything is possible, but this iPhone 5 and iPad Mini would be a very, very abrupt and disturbing change of direction for Apple.
 
Have you ever used Android?
I use it right now and I want to go back to iOS. Because a lot of tiny things bother me. You can't tell exactly but it is annoying.
So don't be fooled by those Android's specs. They are misleading. Be happy with something that is not broken. Don't switch to broken phone.

Android is a couple years behind iOS in development, but they've made huge strides. Until recently Android wasn't even using the GPU for normal acceleration of things like screen transition animations.

I think it's totally fair to say with Android you're going to have less stability, but I don't see the big hiccups anymore. And iOS is hardly perfect. Apps frequently crash when memory is full, occasionally the phone will freeze and need a soft reboot/reset. Upgrading the OS is a complete mess still. It takes hours and frequently losses data. Syncing has improved but still takes too long. It's hard to close running apps, to move apps around springboard screens....
 
I don't believe this to be the new iPhone. I honestly think the longer screen is for the new apple remote to work with the new Apple TV.
 
Very well said, I feel the same way. Had I not been a victim of Antennagate I wouldn't have bought a 4S, but I desperately needed a phone that would make calls. Now with a phone that works as well as my 3GS did, I have no reason to buy the upcoming iPhone.

It's going to be an odd feeling to watch as Apple rolls out a new model that doesn't appeal. I've always looked forward to my annual upgrades.

But the good news is, I have other new smartphones to look forward to before years end. That will provide me with something different to enjoy.

Perhaps next years iPhone will be equipped with a contemporary sized display. That's all I require before giving it consideration. An iPhone with a 4.5 to 4.8" display would suite me ideally. At first I thought I might find the 4.8" that my Galaxy S III features, might be too large. Yet from the first use until now, I simply couldn't be happier. It makes me want an iPhone with that size even more.

Bit confused that you talk about an annual
upgrade and yet have a 4S and S3. To be quite honest though, if all you care about is a large screen, then Apple are never going to be your choice.

I've still got my iPhone 4 - never had any trouble with making calls and got rid of the case months ago. Was never tempted by the 4S - no need to upgrade after a year - but it remains to be seen whether I'll upgrade to the new model this year. It depends on how it handles LTE, which will just be a useless battery hog here in the UK. I'm assuming that given so few countries have LTE, the new model will disable LTE outside the US. If battery life with LTE is the same as or better than now, then it should be even better without the additional drain of LTE
 
Another thing to consider is whether the iPhone is still the big development going on at Apple these days.

If you look at the filings that Samsung made in the trial, it's apparent that many companies were trying to bring out a touchscreen smartphone even back in 2006. I think Apple was on and off development from 2003???? Anyway, why should we assume Apple is spending its best minds on the smartphone?

We KNOW Google project Glass is past prototype stage and looking to go on sale NEXT year. Apple is right behind them too if you've seen their patent filings. These glasses are going to be the next smartphones.

Enhanced reality...whatever it's eventually called, when tied to Siri or Google voice seems to be close to a replacement for the smartphone. Even if it doesn't totally replace smartphones, it's going to be an even bigger deal. And they HAVE to be working around the clock on this stuff....so maybe with the iPad mini taking development time, their TV efforts, and now the whole enhanced reality/personal assistant glasses....perhaps they don't see the iPhone as something that needs lots of reworking?

Just an idea.
 
honestly my initial comment was not meant to be rude but to point out why that was a poor and unrealistic comparison

A. The iPhone is an insanely popular device by any standard, and I get tired of over hearing on a daily basis anyone from a 50 year old receptionist to a non English speaking janitor trying to tell someone else about the newest iPhone coming out next month. (usually with incorrect rumors/info) The interest in any 1 particular android device prior to launch is incomparable

B. I specifically said "any particular android phone" not all 50 that i am sure are currently in production.

with each iPhone launch Apple has to manufacture millions of units before launch so they can meet the crazy demand for that 1 new device (making it very hard to keep secret and prevent leaked parts), while no single android model (like you compared it to) has to be manufactured by samsung/motorola in the same huge quantities that the iPhone does prior to launch because they do not sell any where near as many of that 1 device (combined yes... android phones could be compared by production numbers, but you compared the secrecy of one particular android device prior to launch)

it was a poor comparison so get over it

The Galaxy series is starting to gain more attention and popularity, so I'd say it is a pretty fair comparison. I know you find it super hard to believe, but there are other successful phones than the iPhone. Just because they don't sell 4 million units in a weekend doesn't mean they aren't a big player in the smartphone market.
And I like how you started your post in an apologetic manner, but ended it in a rude tone.
Thanks, but I don't need to "get over it."
 
Android is a couple years behind iOS in development, but they've made huge strides. Until recently Android wasn't even using the GPU for normal acceleration of things like screen transition animations.

I think it's totally fair to say with Android you're going to have less stability, but I don't see the big hiccups anymore. And iOS is hardly perfect. Apps frequently crash when memory is full, occasionally the phone will freeze and need a soft reboot/reset. Upgrading the OS is a complete mess still. It takes hours and frequently losses data. Syncing has improved but still takes too long. It's hard to close running apps, to move apps around springboard screens....

At least on iPhone you can upgrade the OS.... Even with a 3 year old phone. Not sure what you mean about upgrading taking hours though. My last upgrade OTA took only minutes. Synching is done when i dont notice it. Even with a 2 year old phone, I rarely have crashes or need to reboot.
 
Why "4GS"? That name doesn't make sense.

I don't think we're going to see as much innovation anymore from Apple, now the most valuable company in the world. Just guessing here, but Tim Cook was probably trained to ride Apple's success and just keep improving the products carefully. I'm not saying that Apple is going to become worse or make lower-quality products or take unfair advantage of customers, but I doubt we will see any more drastic innovation.

I was just making up a name to prove the point that Apple could just add a few new features to the current 4S and people would go completely bonkers over it. Your right in saying that Apple just has to maintain at this point. People are nuts over the brand and that is their main reason for purchasing at this point.
 
At least on iPhone you can upgrade the OS.... Even with a 3 year old phone. Not sure what you mean about upgrading taking hours though. My last upgrade OTA took only minutes. Synching is done when i dont notice it. Even with a 2 year old phone, I rarely have crashes or need to reboot.

Well, please don't mistake what I was saying--I'm a big fan of iOS. I only wish they'd offer an open source version as they did with Darwin for OSX.


But, as someone who's had multiple iPhones, with more than one in the family...I think you're very lucky if upgrading is so easy. And just to be clear, the OTA's are a big help and do speed things up. All the same, I just upgraded my girlfriend's 3GS to iOS 5...and it took nearly 3 hours all told. That's longer than most upgrades I've done, but they do take a ton of time.

Syncing, I'm referring to local syncs and not iCloud (again a nice improvement).
 
I'm really excited about the taller screen but I have a question –*when the phone is in landscape mode with the keyboard up, how big will the keyboard be?

If they scaled it up there would be very little left to show the rest of the screen. If they stretched it out the buttons would look funny. Maybe they would add some buttons to the landscape keyboard... but what buttons?

Split keyboard in landscape. Just like the iPad. just a guess.
 
I'm an Apple guy, but what kept me from buying the iPhone in the past is the smaller screen real estate. My Droid X is 4.3" and comparing that size to the iPhones I've played around with I just couldn't get comfortable with the 3.5" screen.

Couldn't agree more. I bought an ipod touch as a kind of "test drive" for an iphone, and while I like a lot about it, especially the fluid-smooth display and resolution, the screen is just too small.

I was seriously considering the Samsung Galaxy S3 but I really want to wait until launch so I can compare the two.

Again, we agree. And I'm happy enough to let the otherwise-unoccupied storm the apple stores on launch day and leave their reviews all over the web for the more particular shoppers to learn from. With all the love that the S3 is getting, I'm guessing there are more than a few folks who would be happy to compare two very good products before making their purchase.

Unless you and I are the only ones, as apparently some apple fan's aunt is the current benchmark for all smartphone buyers... :D
 
This is an accurate statement. I didn't upgrade my 3GS to the 4S because I was so disappointed that the design was the same as the 4. Yeah the insides were much better, but not enough to make me take out my wallet.

It became very evident the iPhone's design is "stagnant" on my recent trip to Scandinavia. Samsung phones were EVERYWHERE in the stores, front and center, while the single iPhone was tucked away in the corner. All of my relatives had Android phones, and I have to say, after spending some time with them, it became QUITE clear that Apple's OS is dull as well. Even the way Android's swipe protection looks/works is better.

Also, Samsung's phones were sleeker, sexier, and I found myself secretly hoping that the new iPhone looks more like theirs. They look more contemporary and modern.

I realize my comments may offend people, and believe me, it bothers me I feel this way. But this site is for fanboys, like myself, so it's hard imagine anything else other than Apple products being Number 1.

But Apple needs to wake up. Android is killing them. And it pisses me off because we are living through another Microsoft/Apple era. Apple started red hot and then M$ copied them, outsourced the OS and killed them. As a long-time Apple fan and a stockholder, I'm extremely concerned.

I'm simply amazed by the number of people who blindly want to just buy this because it's new. Apple could put an apple logo on a turd and people would buy it.

I've been a long time advocate of apple products and technology, often saying their designs are the deciding factor for me to buy it, but should the new iPhone look like those leaks then there will be many disappointed people.

Apple are becoming lazy and the sheer fanboism showed here just goes to show how indoctrinated people are about apple products.

The iPhone 4 was a radical new design, but it's old now. Samsung is the biggest threat to Apple and if Apple think that just stretching the current design and adding a cheap two-tone look is an example of redesign then they're sorely mistaken.

The sad thing is that people will line up and buy this thing, swoon over it and rant about how amazing it is.

It will probably sell very well but it is alarming that apple are resting on the good will earned by being innovative.
 
I don't believe this to be the new iPhone. I honestly think the longer screen is for the new apple remote to work with the new Apple TV.

Because the remote will totally have a Dock Connector and a camera, right?

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I'm simply amazed by the number of people who blindly want to just buy this because it's new. Apple could put an apple logo on a turd and people would buy it.

I've been a long time advocate of apple products and technology, often saying their designs are the deciding factor for me to buy it, but should the new iPhone look like those leaks then there will be many disappointed people.

Apple are becoming lazy and the sheer fanboism showed here just goes to show how indoctrinated people are about apple products.

The iPhone 4 was a radical new design, but it's old now. Samsung is the biggest threat to Apple and if Apple think that just stretching the current design and adding a cheap two-tone look is an example of redesign then they're sorely mistaken.

The sad thing is that people will line up and buy this thing, swoon over it and rant about how amazing it is.

It will probably sell very well but it is alarming that apple are resting on the good will earned by being innovative.

The only thing that hasn't changed about the iPhone going from 4S to 5 is the basic case design. I wouldn't call the numerous internal hardware changes very "innovative", but I'm pretty much satisfied with the entire hardware design, interior and exterior, of the iPhone 4 and 4S. They're just carefully improving it. Apple could really only innovate with software now, and I think they still do.

So "sheep" will "blindly" buy the iPhone 5 if they are: people who want LTE, people who want a faster phone, people who want the new Dock Connector (which will be the new standard), people who want a thinner phone, people who want a 4" screen, people who want the audio jack on the bottom, and/or people who want a supposedly redesigned antenna. I really only care about the audio jack being on the bottom, so I'm not buying just for that one change.

If someone reads my other comment about how they are no longer innovating with the iPhone and won't for a while, let me revise that and say that I was talking only about the hardware. They're only taking evolutionary steps now.
 
I was just making up a name to prove the point that Apple could just add a few new features to the current 4S and people would go completely bonkers over it. Your right in saying that Apple just has to maintain at this point. People are nuts over the brand and that is their main reason for purchasing at this point.

Oh, I see. Yeah, there are people who are nuts over Apple. There are also some people who actually have good reasons for buying an iPhone 5. I don't have any good reasons, and neither do my female cousins, so I will not be buying one while my female cousins do buy one. I'm not making a generalization about females, but my cousins are examples of "fangirls".

But with a bigger screen and LTE, my unlimited-data-having friend now has good reasons to buy an iPhone 5 on top of him being a Mac owner (except that he just got a new Nexus). I doubt he will ever get an iPhone, though, because he loves Google with a passion. Oh well, too bad for him.

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After a few days with the new iPhone, the proportions of the old one will look awkward and squashed.

I just glanced at my brother's iMac G5 when I read this. Man, that screen is square!
 
Bit confused that you talk about an annual
upgrade and yet have a 4S and S3. To be quite honest though, if all you care about is a large screen, then Apple are never going to be your choice.
I'll clarify so my post is easy to understand. First is the fact that I've been a big enthusiast of mobiles & maintained a few dedicated lines so I can have at least two to use for variety.

Therefore in my case, it's not a matter of choosing one over the other. I like them all, it's the differences that I enjoy. However once I experienced how nice it is to have more room to work in the landscape mode when taking notes, writing emails & such, the additional speed that results is addicting. When browsing the web, the usefulness is even more apparent. That's why I'd like a larger display than the tall & narrow one we've seen so far. Keeping the same width means no improvement for the tasks I've outlined. And that's why it's useless to me.

Saying Apple will "Never" do something is a horribly negative outlook. As a long time Apple customer, I've witnessed them change their minds more than once. They are not stupid, nor are record breaking sales a certainty. No matter what's happened so far, everything is subject to change. That's why I never say never, and remain an open minded customer. I've upgraded every year because I can & I enjoy it.

Just because you didn't experience Antennagate, has no bearing on those of us that did. Upon taking delivery of my IPhone 4, I swapped my iPhone 3GS to my wife's line. That very evening we were out for dinner. I attempted to make a call from the restaurant, only to find my phone would not connect with the network. So my wife handed me the 3GS, it connected & made a crystal clear call as easy as always. That's but one example.

So as usual, those who assume are usually always wrong. Why you would assume you know what my experience was, is baffling.
 
I wish the iPhone 5 was not only taller, but wider as well. Not a fan of the design so far, which is a first for me when looking at an Apple product. But I will have to see it in person before I make my final decision.

I was concern about large phones at first, but after holding the S3... I've become a huge fan.

Feel the exact same way. As you hold the phone in portrait/vertical 90% plus of the time, really wanted something wider. For me, a letdown of a design...

Like s3, but moving out of ecosystem may be a hassle.
 
Why do ppl keep saying it looks the same? The the fricking bezel it's been the same since the iPhone 1 what's the problem ?!! The phones front is iconic it's sleek ! And the back will be metal this till which I think it's a plus from glass(4s) so guys stop complaining !!!!


P.s ( my iPhone 3GS just keep holding on ,hang in there! The 5 is almost here)

Because it (key word here) "looks" the same.

Maybe it's a fold out screen and we dont know.

Either way a lot of people feel like Apple is treading water.
 
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