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95°F (35°C) is quite warm. I happen to know that are a lot of electronic products that recommend lower temperatures; including cell phones.

I use my Crackberry all day, every day.

A2DP, music, video, web browsing, text, voice command, Google Earth with street view, email, camera, video camera, turn-by-turn GPS ... there is probably no heavier Blackberry user on the planet than I.

And I live in Las Vegas. It was 110 degrees here two days ago.

As a matter of fact, it will be another three months until the daily high dips BELOW 100.

95F during the summer anywhere in the USA is fairly common, and that threshold for a mobile device is entirely unreasonable.

Especially from a supposed "premium" hardware manufacturer.
 
Misinformed you are:
http://gizmodo.com/5293340/t+mobile...le-g2-htc-magic-google-ion-coming-this-summer
http://google.about.com/b/2009/06/22/the-g2-t-mobile-announces-mytouch-3g.htm
http://phandroid.com/2009/05/08/t-mobile-g2-mytouch-coming-to-usa-in-july-via-walmart-with-icing/

MyTouch3G = T-Mobile G2 = HTC Magic, Except in America you get a 5MP camera apparently.

Plus a PC world review shows that the manual refers to G2, Magazine not the Website. Ill scan it in tomorrow.

Those images are photoshops, easily identifiable. Look at the Buttons. The bigger screen was a lie.

ok ok. you're right. i retract my info.
 
I think a lot of this does have to do with expectations. I own a BMW 3-series--one that is 8 years old and one that I plan to keep for a very long time. Regardless, I bought it because of its handling capabilities but since I've owned it I have noticed critiques are far more stringent than they are for something like a Kia--sure the price difference is extreme but still--I think a lot of it does have to do with expectations. The same with Apple--we all expect a lot from Apple produces and when there are problems--big or small--they are noticed.
 
I think a lot of this does have to do with expectations. I own a BMW 3-series--one that is 8 years old and one that I plan to keep for a very long time. Regardless, I bought it because of its handling capabilities but since I've owned it I have noticed critiques are far more stringent than they are for something like a Kia--sure the price difference is extreme but still--I think a lot of it does have to do with expectations. The same with Apple--we all expect a lot from Apple produces and when there are problems--big or small--they are noticed.

Let the justifications and rationalizations begin :rolleyes:
 
Lets not forget that while it is an Apple product, its built in China. China has been making some real crap the last couple years. Probably using recycled plastic or something.
 
Lets not forget that while it is an Apple product, its built in China. China has been making some real crap the last couple years. Probably using recycled plastic or something.

There you go, folks.

First it was the weather's (God's) fault, now it's China's fault.

I hate it when deity's and entire nations line up to sabotage Apple.

I bet Jesus uses Vista.
 
I dont know about you, but I dont put any of my electronic devices in direct sunlight. Who would leave their iPhone on the dash in a closed car in the middle of summer? Hopefully no one! As far as the TomTom mount goes, I would mount it high up the windshiled where it is safe from direct sunlight where that strip of windshield tint is. A little common sense will go a long way in keeping your iPhone (or any electronic device) healthy. :)

And you'll be using this safely... how exactly? If you've got a satnav mounted low to either side of the main instrument pod you can scan it either in the same movement you use to check your speed or, in some cars, without actually taking your eyes off the road. Then there's the charge cable flapping around. For that matter, I'd hate to see what happens to an iPhone when a mount on top of the screen lets go.

Let's be honest here, Apple has issues with its hardware designs overheating. It's been like that for a long time with several generations of Macbook Pro, iMac's and the old cube all suffering from the problem. For a smartphone to suffer overheating problems...actually, I'm trying to remember the last one I heard of that did. Can't think of one off the top of my head to be honest with you. And this thing about 'keep it out of direct sunlight LOL' is nonsense. It's a mobile phone, regardless of how you may like users to treat 'em we know they tend to be thrown around and are expected to put up with that abuse. If the iPhone DOES have a problem Apple need to fix it bloody quickly if it doesn't want to tarnish its reputation.
 
There's always a reason to wait. Meanwhile, everyone has been playing with cool toys!

And do you think there won't be any problems next year? Trust me, there will. Will Apple fix the issues like they have consistently done in the past? Yup...

Yes, they will release firmware to slow down the phone, and you will sniff the fresh poop and declare it divine.

"So what that it's slower ... they fixed it! Most people don't need that much power anyway! I never use MY phone for more than 8.5 minutes at a time and anyone who does is probably a minion of Bill Gates!"

Low expectations = high profit margins

I am beginning to truly see the genius that is Apple, Inc.
 
I have had the 3gs since launch and have had no heat problems at all, and I live in south Texas. I have used gps while listening to music outdoors and had no more heat than with any other iphone. I think its an isolated issue.

I am in Austin - I had a Touch Pro and a Pre before the 3GS. The 3GS is much cooler than either of those phones. I was on a 2 hour call yesterday and while it was a little warm, it was still cooler than the other 2 phones would have been.
 
There you go, folks.

First it was the weather's (God's) fault, now it's China's fault.

I hate it when deity's and entire nations line up to sabotage Apple.

I bet Jesus uses Vista.

Jesus uses open source Jesux ;)

Major Chinese manufacturing companies like the ones for Apple are partially owned by the Chinese government so yes that would put China on the blame game. Just like if a GM car breaks down it would be Obama's (chief gm ceo) fault cause after all he did say on television that the federal government backs your warranty ;)
 
I haven't noticed any heating problem with my 3GS. I have black so no discoloration either. I don't run any NAV apps, leave my iPhone in a hot car or run it exposed to direct sunlight for extended periods. Compact electronic devices like this are too vulnerable to overheating.

I went to the John Deere golf tournament a couple years ago with my brother-in-law and they wouldn't let anyone bring their cell phones so he left his palm treo in his black/black BMW under the seat. By the time we got back his phone wouldn't start so he popped open the battery compartment and the battery was like molten lava.

3GS is super snappy and faster in every way than the 3G. It is not a minor upgrade IMO. There is no hesitation when typing or launching apps. The video camera alone is worth the upgrade for me.
 
Major Chinese manufacturing companies like the ones for Apple are partially owned by the Chinese government so yes that would put China on the blame game.

I disagree, and I will tell you why.

Apple willfully chooses who to use to manufacturer their parts.

If they are using the same cheap Chinese crap as E-machines, then I think it is safe to opine that the myth of hardware superiority is exactly that.

A myth.

I recently replaced the memory in my iMac, only to discover that "Apple Memory" is in fact, cheap commodity Hynix memory.

Unlike others, I place any and all hardware faults squarely on Apple, because that is where the buck stops.

Apple abandoned U.S. manufacturing, assembly, and Q/A (my came directly from China).

Prices have not come down commensurately with the fact that they are using the same parts as $400 PC's and that is why the stock is a tiny bit more than $14/share now as it was in the early 2000's.

Apple is making the choice to use crap. It's not as though they are contracting with premium suppliers at premium prices. They are choosing to pad profit margins and give consumers cheap hardware, because they think they have a sufficiently religious user base that will justify their decisions no matter how absurd.

For the most part, they are right.

For the rest of us, though. Those who retain mental autonomy and who don't subscribe unrequited loyalty to large corporation while touting our superior intellect ... I think we see that all Apple hardware faults are the direct results of decisions made by ... Apple.

I do not believe that a gun is forced to their head to use cheap parts, and given the amount they charge for their hardware, they could certainly afford to use better parts with more stringent quality control.

They simply choose not to.
 
I haven't noticed any heating problem with my 3GS. I have black so no discoloration either. I don't run any NAV apps, leave my iPhone in a hot car or run it exposed to direct sunlight for extended periods. Compact electronic devices like this are too vulnerable to overheating.

I've had all manners of Palm's, Pocket PC's, and Blackberry's.

I still have a Treo 300 and Palm VII that still works (though not hooked up to cell service anymore).

I've carried and used them extensively in triple digit temps.

I've never had a single one overheat, or even exhibit any symptoms as such. I don't leave the screens facing the sun, but if I can stand the ambient temp, all of my smartphones have been able to do so as well. I expect them to be at least as resilient as I am -- and they have been.

I disagree with you that compact electronic devices as vulnerable to overheating. To the contrary. Most of them have no cooling mechanisms or even vents. They use the case to dissipate mild amounts of heat.

You are simply trying to ascribe an Apple problem to other vendors where it doesn't exist.

The Blackberry Curve is one of the most single used phones in the history of the smartphone, and I'm not sure that I have seen any cases of overheating.

Granted they are not as powerful as a 3GS, but what good is power if you can't use it for as long as you wish under circumstances as common as ... Summer.
 
Granted they are not as powerful as a 3GS, but what good is power if you can't use it for as long as you wish under circumstances as common as ... Summer.

This is an isolated incident. My 3GS has been working fine, as are the vast majority of them, and we're right in the thick of summer right now.
 
The Blackberry Curve is one of the most single used phones in the history of the smartphone, and I'm not sure that I have seen any cases of overheating.

Wow, the hypocrisy. See this article:
http://drums-of-peace.blogspot.com/2009/02/blackberry-curve-overheating-battery.html

Notice how it says:
You're not going to regret it, either - functionality is noticeably better, though the device is now more sluggish than it was before. Alas, this is the price of progress.

What was that you said about Apple? Oh yeah, you said:
Yes, they will release firmware to slow down the phone, and you will sniff the fresh poop and declare it divine.

I am beginning to truly see the genius that is Apple, Inc.

Seems to me you are describing Blackberry users, not iPhone users.
 
Overheating is always possible

My 3G started overheating at the same time as the wi-fi stopped working. As soon as I figured out the network problem I had created, I had access to the Internet again over wi-fi, and battery life increased to "all day."
 
Uh... the author says it was fixed by firmware. The problem no longer exists.

Uh... the author says his phone is more sluggish after the update - something Victor chastised iPhone owners users as foolishly accepting. Did you actually read my entire post?
 
My Experience

I was in an apple store in Baton Rouge, La last week (buying my new MBP 13" yay!) and sat for quite a while in a chair just watching the genius bar. During about an hour they had 3 iphones come in (new 3GS) that were overheating, showing the white screen. Techs (Genii?) were all like "damn another one?" and using their otoscopes and lights to look for any water damage and generally being very suspicious of each customer and eventually replacing them. The presumption of suspicion kinda bothered me, especially if that kind of frequency/rate of incoming problems was that high for a new device with a single problem in common (all were overheating and showing the white screen).

I hope Apple is keeping track and tallying some numbers to see if this is as huge a problem as it is portrayed as being. The guy I was dealing with when asked off the cuff stated that in his opinion it was a bad batch of batteries or some other component, because it definitely was NOT affecting every 3GS, just a percentage of them.
 
Uh... the author says his phone is more sluggish after the update - something Victor chastised iPhone owners users as foolishly accepting. Did you actually read my entire post?

One dude with a small blog hosted on Blogspot?

Really?

I mean ... REALLY? :eek:

Come on, homey, you can do better than that. I know you can. Doesn't the CEO of RIMM club baby seals or something? I read it on Blogspot somewhere.

Hey, at least the author didn't blame Jesus and the nation of China, though.

There is a difference between logic and religion.

I don't give a $*^& about RIMM and wouldn't shed a tear if they went under tomorrow (it's a company, not a deity), but my Curve has been chugging along for 2 years and it's as fast as it's ever been.

Oh yeah, I live in Las Vegas. 105 degrees today and I've had it out in the heat several times.

Everybody I work with has one.

Not a single person has slowed down or overheated yet, but I'll let you know as soon as that happens.

At that point, validation shall be yours!

Now go pray to Steve and sniff the glorious mound of poop which smells like roses.

Oh yeah ... bring money.
 
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