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I really want a 3G iPhone ... price is going to be the major determining factor in it. Chances are, I will need to drop down another very heafty deposit. (Had to give them $750 last time)

My goal is to upgrade my phone to the 3G version and give my girlfriend the EDGE version. (and moving her off T-Mobile) I have a funny feeling AT&T are going to be bastards about it.

I tried calling them today to find out if this was possiable, each person I spoke with had no idea how adding a line works with iPhones. I gave up after being transfered 5 times.
 
Ugh at the thought of Apple or AT&T offering discounts on THE coolest phone on the planet. I realize this is simply a moneys game and Apple wants to sell as many phones as possible, but...I CHERISH MY EXCLUSIVITY! This reeks of what happened with the RAZR! Remember when you were the ONLY person who had one then suddenly EVERYBODY (literally) got one?! Remember how it sucked to then have the same phone as every other lowlife on the planet? This is exactly what's gonna happen if they discount the iPhone so deeply that everybody can afford one! I currently get a cheap thrill outta knowing that at any given time in any given place I'm one of if not the only dude with an iphone! Oh well. Say goodbye to that if they cheapen it. Mass consumerism sucks!

While I agree with you on a very thin and narcissistic level, I have an iPod, so I'm obviously not THAT interested in exclusivity. A good product is a good product, and as such should be available to the masses, no matter what ivory-tower egomaniacs such as yourself might feel. I imagine you use the phrase "Everyone is entitled to the best level of care they can afford."
 
He should really get himself the GoldVish 'Le million' Piece Unique
(holds Guinness World record for most expensive phone guaranteed to emit maximum smugness)

Heh, I was actually trying to think of the PRADA Chocolate, but yours is better :)

BTW, ur sig r0x0rz :)
 
i expect the subsidy would only be for new members of att.

Most likely, though I am sure if you call them up nicely and reason with them a bit they will help you out. I always remind them of how much I pay a month (we have 6 lines currently in my home) and how loyal I am and they always go out of their way to help me out.

Worse comes to worse I hope they stick with the current iPhone's price structure.
 
I know the APEXT Draft N can be set up to be backwards compatible.

You totally misunderstood what I said..... "an all N network". As in 5GHz.

I never said I wanted my iPhone to connect at N speeds. I know that most "broadband" speeds are even below the old "b" speeds.

You assumed that.

I want an all N network so that my Apple TV can pull from my APEXT LAN'd PowerMac G5 in my home office at N speeds. If someone connects to my backwards compatible network with an older b or g airport card then I lose all benefits of N speeds. Hence my request for the iPhone to have an N card in it so I can connect to my own home network or connect to anyone else's network no matter the letter designation.

That's all understood, but it's definitely looking at things from a network optimization standpoint, whereas from a device optimization standpoint it doesn't make sense to even bother with the more expensive chip (thus my second comment). Putting in an 802.11n NIC does absolutely nothing for the device except make it more expensive, possibly larger, and more likely to burn through batteries quicker. The processor probably isn't powerful enough to handle the increased throughput. Those of us who don't care about the performance on our Draft-N network are saying "Please don't" in regards to Draft-N vs B/G.
 
Lighten Up...

While I agree with you on a very thin and narcissistic level, I have an iPod, so I'm obviously not THAT interested in exclusivity. A good product is a good product, and as such should be available to the masses, no matter what ivory-tower egomaniacs such as yourself might feel. I imagine you use the phrase "Everyone is entitled to the best level of care they can afford."

Hmm...so now I'm a "thin, narcissistic, ivory tower-dwelling egomaniac," huh? Ok, I can live with that. IMHO, no top-of-the-line Apple product (key phrase: top-of-the-line) has EVER made it into the hands of the masses. And the iphone can definitely be considered a top-of-the-line product...for the most obvious of reasons. Besides, the demographics of a typical Apple product user tend to be among the, ahem, higher echelon of individuals in our society (ie., income level, education level, etc etc etc). Surely you can't dispute that. Discount this kind of high-end technology so steeply such that it gets into the hands of every Tom, Dick and Harry in the universe then suddenly it becomes the target of every shadowy, underground hacker from Tennessee to Timbuktu. Kiss the security of the OS operating system on the phone goodbye!! Just look at the plague known as jailbraking that has occurred so far!! Or am I overreacting? But back to the original point of my original posting: dude, I just wanna be known as THAT cool guy with THAT cool phone and not just ANOTHER cool guy with that cool phone when I enter a room. Is that too much to ask? And stop taking things so freakin' serious?! LOL
 
Not sure if this was addressed specifically, but if I got an AT&T contract for 2 years back when the first iPhone came out, can I buy the new iPhone for the assumed discounted price and extend my contract for an additional 2 years? Seems this would be possible.

If they're like any other cell company, which they are probably worse, then yes, thats more than likely the case. I highly doubt they're nice enough to let you by a new phone for the discounted price and let you not extend the contract. If you paid full price, the no contract. You usually can't have both, unless you want to complain to CS for a week.
 
Hmm...so now I'm a "thin, narcissistic, ivory tower-dwelling egomaniac," huh? Ok, I can live with that. IMHO, no top-of-the-line Apple product (key phrase: top-of-the-line) has EVER made it into the hands of the masses. And the iphone can definitely be considered a top-of-the-line product...for the most obvious of reasons. Besides, the demographics of a typical Apple product user tend to be among the, ahem, higher echelon of individuals in our society (ie., income level, education level, etc etc etc). Surely you can't dispute that. Discount this kind of high-end technology so steeply such that it gets into the hands of every Tom, Dick and Harry in the universe then suddenly it becomes the target of every shadowy, underground hacker from Tennessee to Timbuktu. Kiss the security of the OS operating system on the phone goodbye!! Just look at the plague known as jailbraking that has occurred so far!! Or am I overreacting? But back to the original point of my original posting: dude, I just wanna be known as THAT cool guy with THAT cool phone and not just ANOTHER cool guy with that cool phone when I enter a room. Is that too much to ask? And stop taking things so freakin' serious?! LOL

Digging yourself deeper, huh? go get yourself a GoldVish and then you can be THAT cool guy (aka THAT a$$hole). So sorry that you're in the lower echelon of society that can't afford a GoldVish.

Like it or not, Apple's plan is to put an iPhone in the hand of every person who has a cellphone. They don't make it to only sell to a handful of individuals (but GoldVish does!), but rather want to make as much $$ as possible from it. Furthermore, ALL new phones go through the same process. Look at the RAZR and Blackberry. Alpha consumers and business users picked them up first, not caring about the high price (I had a day 1 RAZR and paid $600 for it); at this point, supplies are still low because of high manufacturing costs. Once the phone becomes popular, the company ramps up production, manufacturing costs go down, so they lower the price. Everyone wants it and everyone buys it. Meanwhile Mr. Alpha consumer buys a newer phone (I had a day 1 iPhone and paid $600 for it) and the circle of life continues.

A word of advice: Don't be so smug, arrogant, and self-absorbed...it will only hurt you in the future, whatever path of life, and GUARANTEES flaming on these forums.

PS: as far as jailbreaking is concerned...Apple was founded by 2 guys whose first business venture was phone hackery products...Apple encourages this kind of behavior (note Apple's response to jailbreaking was releasing an SDK).
 
Lullaby

This is ridiculous. You're not special. There's going to be a discount. Your ivory tower is crumbling.

It's fine to be an individual, but owning an iphone does not an individual make. I feel bad for you. I feel bad that this makes you feel good.

It's this kind of attitude that contributes to making the world a crappy place. All due to the fact that you don't want someone to have the same phone as you.

I suspected this is why some people were complaining on here about the subsidy or at least viciously explaining why it would not happen.

Awww poor baby. Here. Here's a slice of deliciously moist chocolate cake. Take it. Go ahead. It'll make you feel better. Dude. Really! C'mon now. It was a fun, light-hearted commentary. Lighten up.
 
If they're like any other cell company, which they are probably worse, then yes, thats more than likely the case. I highly doubt they're nice enough to let you by a new phone for the discounted price and let you not extend the contract. If you paid full price, the no contract. You usually can't have both, unless you want to complain to CS for a week.

Yeah they will let you have the phone most likely, either way they are making money and would rather give you more incentive of buying it. However, I don't think it's legal for a cell company to tack you for anything more than two years. So in any case they would only be renewing your contract for time you have been in it. I.E. if you have served 8 months of your two year contract, then they would essentially restart your 2 year contract. At least thats how it works with AT&T here in the state of Florida, I am not sure about other states.
 
Make my day!

All I can say is ATT better be subsidizing the cost of the phone if they plan on charging us $30 to $35 a month for an unlimited data plan like they do with their other 3G devices. Who wants to pay like $95 a month for their iPhone bill? I have unlimited txting, 450 minutes, and unlimited EDGE data at a comfy $55 a month. And the next iPhone will potentially be plastic and ugly. I think I'll end up sticking with my current phone and wait another year for the next (better) model.

Dude, I dare Apple to make ANYTHING plastic-ky on this new phone. I dare 'em! No, I double dare 'em!! If the back of it is indeed black as some vicious rumor has suggested, it'd damn well better be black CHROME!! Can you imagine them taking a perfectly fine recipe of aluminum from the first phone and cheapening it by making it plastic? Hell, even the plastic that they have to use out of necessity on certain parts of the phone better be of a high-grade!!! I seriously will consider not buying one if they place a plastic, cheap-lookin' glossy back on it! Eww ewww ewwww!!!
 
Dude, I dare Apple to make ANYTHING plastic-ky on this new phone. I dare 'em! No, I double dare 'em!! If the back of it is indeed black as some vicious rumor has suggested, it'd damn well better be black CHROME!! Can you imagine them taking a perfectly fine recipe of aluminum from the first phone and cheapening it by making it plastic? Hell, even the plastic that they have to use out of necessity on certain parts of the phone better be of a high-grade!!! I seriously will consider not buying one if they place a plastic, cheap-lookin' glossy back on it! Eww ewww ewwww!!!

do you double-dog dare them?

did you say "eww"?
 
so if they are black plastic, i don't think they will use anything cheap. I don't know about you, but what has Apple designed that you hated so much you wouldn't buy, appearance wise. People hated and still hate the new nano, they still sell a ton...
 
Yeah they will let you have the phone most likely, either way they are making money and would rather give you more incentive of buying it. However, I don't think it's legal for a cell company to tack you for anything more than two years. So in any case they would only be renewing your contract for time you have been in it. I.E. if you have served 8 months of your two year contract, then they would essentially restart your 2 year contract. At least thats how it works with AT&T here in the state of Florida, I am not sure about other states.

Exactly. Thats how sprint/nextel works. I was maybe a year in, got a new phone for the discounted rate, got 2 more years for it. Even though I thought my buddy who worked for nextel said he could do it without the contract. oh well. Lookin forward to a new iphone.
 
Accurate GPS crucial...

I am eagerly awaiting this new iPhone. I didn't buy the first one for three reasons:

  • No SDK (This inhibits innovation)
  • No GPS
  • Slow EDGE (Need I say more?)

I'm still disappointed that apps will still be loaded solely through Apple who will enforce restrictions on what apps can do. I'm hoping this will eventually change due to user demands.

Now for the fun and exciting aspects of the new iPhone!

With 3G and GPS it is just a matter of time before I will be able to sell my TomTom GPS and use an iPhone for directions while driving (one less device to worry about). I also look forward to the inevitable innovations that will come as a result of the SDK. I think one of the next "Kill Apps" will be one that associates your GPS location with what stores and products and events are nearby. Walking near a StarBucks? Buy and pay for your coffee on your iPhone and have your coffee ready for you when you walk in. Walking down Main St and want to know what's being sold in a nearby store... take look on the iPhone. You could even have the option of turning on little popup ads that will associate your past behaviors with products and services that are nearby (this could be used to subsidize your phone service)

Utility crews could use the iPhone as a "see through x-ray visor". Using a combination of the GPS, Video Camera, Motion Sensor and the high-speed 3G connection a utility crew could point the camera at the ground and see an overlay image of all of the pipes, tunnels and cables that are underground. As the crew member moves the iPhone around the images will auto-slide and will act like an "window" to see everything that is buried in the ground.

With the GPS your photos will have GPS coordinates imbedded in the metadata of your pictures. As you post them on you website Google will be able to index your photos, and everyone else's, and then pragmatically assemble all of the photos into one large panoramic view that will include the ability to extrapolate the 3D structure of builds, roads and any other landmark. People could then go to Google maps and "fly" through an area. All of this stitched together from everyone posting their pictures anywhere on the web.

There is SO much more the new iPhone will be able to do with GPS and 3G. I can't wait to see what all people come up with using the SDK!!!



Umm...yeah...all's I gotta say is satellite-based GPS had betta be included on this new iphone. Google Maps is cool (the actual interface is AWESOME!), but I, ahem, "deliver" for a living and Google Maps is seriously lacking in its database reach (unlocatable addresses, jacked-up turn-by-turn directions in some instances, etc etc etc).
 
They also suggest that the next iPhone will be offered with more traditional discounts and incentives rather then the fixed price point Apple had been offering with the original iPhone. No specific details have been leaked, though there have been rumors that even AT&T might offer a subsidy on the upcoming 3G iPhone.

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Sweet, then amybe i'll actually be able to afford one with the obscene plan!
 
hehehe maybe so but...

ha...try walking around Manhattan for a day. you'll see more iphones here than all other phones combined.



Well I live in a sleepy little ol' town called Atlanta (perhaps you've heard of it?) and from what I've seen they haven't exactly saturated the market here lol! But we southerners are always a bit slow to catch on t'things I guess.
 
I just hope I dont loose my Co. discount this time, like I did when I bought the first iPhone.

Took me 6 month to eventually get that back.
 
I really want a 3G iPhone ... price is going to be the major determining factor in it. Chances are, I will need to drop down another very heafty deposit. (Had to give them $750 last time)

My goal is to upgrade my phone to the 3G version and give my girlfriend the EDGE version. (and moving her off T-Mobile) I have a funny feeling AT&T are going to be bastards about it.

I tried calling them today to find out if this was possiable, each person I spoke with had no idea how adding a line works with iPhones. I gave up after being transfered 5 times.

$750?!
 
And so my reply to you still stands, you're basing your purchase on rumors, so more the fool you....and this, if you need reminding is the post you made, you never commented on just 3G and GPS, you're twisting the story to suit your needs:

with this phone only having 3G (Big whoop) possibly GPS, and just bigger harddrive size and it being thicker I'm going to have to pass on this installment , especially if the screen is 2.8 instead of 3.5 like rumored. I don't want a smaller screen

But I see you have already re-worded your concerns, if you had typed it this way in the first place I wouldn't have commented.

right, next time I'll make sure to lay out my post the way you would see fit. that way you don't have to worry about sending a comment back. did something I say like that really make you get that up in arms? get a life

if something is started on a "rumor site" especially one like macrumors. I'm going to respond to it and say "well based on this I wouldn't want this phone because this is what is rumored" no one knows whats going to happen thats why its a "rumor" site and according to these "rumors" I don't want iphone 2.0 because of what was out.

if you hate people basing things on "rumors" maybe you shouldn't post here?

:rolleyes:
 
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