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If you read what i wrote i never said apple was going to sump att, what is aid was verizon would get the new phone and att would keep running the current 3gs.. again i HIGHLY DOUBT that will happen, but i would die laughing so hard if it did
The net effect would be the same. If Apple didn't offer the next-generation iPhone to its current carrier partners, it would basically be the same thing as telling them to take a hike.

You sound like you have not analyzed the situation fully, nor do you show any indication of understanding how Fortune 500 companies run profitable operations.

You should probably focus a bit more on such matters, since these are the factors that a large company like Apple Inc. considers when they release new products.
 
There's newer CDMA technology called SV-DO that allows for simultaneous voice and data on CDMA networks. Whether or not such chips are shipping in quantity or if Verizon and/or Sprint have implemented such technology is a separate issue, but there's a definite possibility that in the future, a Verizon iPhone could work with simultaneous voice & data, even on CDMA (i.e., doesn't have to be on 4G LTE).

Verizon has already commited to LTE. No SV-DO

I haven't kept up, but I don't think sprint even offers tethering. Prob wrong though. Also, I would think ATT will start to offer it seeing VZ does. I've seen some crazier things in my day though...

They have for a very long time. And for much cheaper. Don't know current price but used to be just $15/month IIRC. Or was that Verizon?
 
Actually the "court document" is just the beginning contract that has already been changed numerous times with different things launching (ie iPhone 3g, 3gs and iPad) the contract was just for the original first gen iPhone. Second Apple doesn't praise AT&T that much AT&T just chooses to pay them so much and allows to make price cuts so Apple users can get data packages at a cheaper cost thus the reasoning behind AT&T getting exclusitivity with the iPad and Verizon let alone anyone else getting it.
You are speaking about things you have just read but obviously you don't know the inside scoop, not many people do Apple is tight-nit about this, but I can guarentee it will be available for more than just one carrier (AT&T) and I can guarentee AT&T will have it in June and the rest will come out at either the end of the year or the beginning of 2011 with their CDMA versions.

Apple does praise AT&T, it's in their keynotes, WATCH THEM! and i never said Apple was never gonna come out with an iPhone on Verizon(okay, maybe i did.) But i can actually see that happening by next year or later.
 
Obviously you are probably a child and can't use the phone for what grown ups use it for. Day trading, Research, on hand apps for school, work, relaxation and above all everyone text's, uses their phone and e-mail constantly the iPhone is just one way to have it all all the time.



My guess is mommy and daddy wouldn't buy you one for christmas!

lmaooo you make me laugh.. you just picked the wrong guy tonight. first off im not a kid, second of all you can't day trade on an iphone, sure etrade and TOS provide that but, its IMPOSSIBLE to trade in and out of stocks on a phone give me a break..lmao

i have used both programs, so tell me you have a Crystal ball that tells you when to buy or sell or do you like to loose money? Because last time I checked a normal person who day trades uses a computer where they can track live charts using 10m or 15m, while also looking at RSI, stochastic, 200sma, 50sma, o yea and bollinger bands, along with researching all at the same time while still watching the stock, you are one pathetic specimen. The only trading a phone is gonna provide you that will make you any money is if you are already up 10%+ on a position and wish to sell, thats about as good as those apps are going to do for you as far as day trading is concerned, good luck using those to analyze charts with technical analysis.

you my friend provided me with the greatest laugh I had all day, thanks a lot for that!
 
One this that always is bugging me.....Is it possible to make a phone for verizon thats capable of Voice and Data at the same time...if not then im staying with AT&T as it will be a while before 4G coverage is as big as 3G

Why is this such a big deal? Seriously, is surfing and talking THAT important? Drinking the commercial kool-aid

And on LTE, yes it will support it.
 
So lets assume you were a Verizon customer and moved to ATT for the iPhone. You love the phone but aren't entirely satisfied with the network in your area and would love to have the iphone but back on the Verizon network you found more suitable to your needs. You signed a two year contract when the 3G came out just about two years ago now and will be ready to upgrade when the 4G comes out. Unless the Verizon version is announced at the same time, you risk the chance you will sign a new two year contract with ATT only to have the Verizon version come out a few months later and you'll be locked into your contract. Surely Apple wouldn't allow that to happen, would they? (I know ATT would love it).

When the iPhone launches in June I am sure it will only be available for ATT and most people will just get it, then when it rolls out for Verizon everyone will kick themselves b/c they are paying a termination fee to go to Verizon. It's inevitable!
 
you can't day trade on an iphone, sure etrade and TOS provide that but, its IMPOSSIBLE to trade in and out of stocks on a phone give me a break..lmao

I bolded out the three words that just defeat your statement, I don't think I need to say anymore on that comment.

As far as trading goes most people use their phones to check stocks and look at the standings then they will go and use their laptops or desktops to do the rest. What I was getting at is it can be done for just checking, purchasing and selling even if you have to use the support of a computer. Glad I can make you laugh.
 
I bolded out the three words that just defeat your statement, I don't think I need to say anymore on that comment.

As far as trading goes most people use their phones to check stocks and look at the standings then they will go and use their laptops or desktops to do the rest. What I was getting at is it can be done for just checking, purchasing and selling even if you have to use the support of a computer. Glad I can make you laugh.

are you in denial? i said they provided trading, those programs aren't meant for you to day trade, they are only good to watch positions and sell if you need to, by no means are they a day trading tool
 
are you in denial? i said they provided trading, those programs aren't meant for you to day trade, they are only good to watch positions and sell if you need to, by no means are they a day trading tool

Agreed not meant for day trading, I over exaggerated that statement, I figured most people would get where I was coming from. Obviously their is always 1...
 
FOR THE MILLIONTH TIME! there is NOT going to be a CDMA iPhone! It's already proven.

Why do all the prototypes have a SIM tray?
Why does Apple and AT&T have a court document stating their exclusivity to end in 2012?
Why did Apple launch the iPad 3G+Wi-Fi with at&t's 3G network?
Why does Apple praise AT&T sooooo MUCH!

why are you guys still going around, wasting your time, doing these false rumors? they're annoying!

Sim tray? Let's see...we have seen a grand total of what? Two prototypes? Wow. What a big sample you are using to base your opinions on. Plus, pretty much everyone agrees that a phone for another carrier would be released later in the year, not in June. Meaning there wouldn't be prototypes to be found on bar stools yet. They wouldn't be quite that far along yet.

Court doc? Contracts? Because that's what they started with. Doesn't mean there wasn't a new one drawn up later. Nor does it preclude certain targets of performance not being met giving Apple an out. There are MANY variables at play here. You need to think outside the little one-contract-last-forever box that you seem to have put yourself into.

Why iPad on AT&T? Could be many reasons. Best deal. Existing relationship. Or even an incentive to change the terms of the original contract and allow Apple to sell to other carriers. In other words...a negotiating tactic.

As for praise, I have never seen a huge amount of praise directed at AT&T. However, anytime you are in a business relationship with another company, you tend to try and make nice in public. What you may really think or say behind their back is another matter entirely! It's doubtful that Steve Jobs is totally happy with how AT&T has handled their end of things. I am sure he doesn't like his product becoming late night joke material because of another companies issues.
 
I don't assume, I had a smartphone on Verizon. I managed a nationwide sales team all on Verizon smartphones (except for 2 guys that had bad reception at their homes.) So I don't assume anything, I speak from experience.

Experience maybe, but bias....? No. Right? You're still 'THE MAN'!
 
Given the slower network thoroughput on Verizon and the inability to talk and do data, I am afraid your Verizon experience would feel just like AT&T edge.

Your fears are unfounded. A lot of folk online here have Verizon for business or personal use and know its speed from experience.

EDGE tops out at ~230Kbps.

Verizon 3G usually gives 600Kbps to 2Mbps+.

Verizon has already commited to LTE. No SV-DO

True about LTE, however SVDO can be implemented on the device maker's side without any network changes.
 
all I know is that if the iPhone does indeed come to Verizon, I will gladly wait out upgrading my almost 4yr-old Razr rather than jumping on the Android bandwagon like I could have since the Droid was first released... *crosses fingers*
 
Why is this such a big deal? Seriously, is surfing and talking THAT important? Drinking the commercial kool-aid

And on LTE, yes it will support it.

Well for people who had the original iphone it was a big deal at the time and it sucked. It was probably the biggest legitimate issue with the original iPhone.

So I know it will be a big issue if and when verizon gets an iPhone.

Although I suspect that will not happen until after LTE is fairly widely deployed.

So it will be a while, and this will not be an issue. If the phone came out this year it would be an issue.
 
4G or CDMA, 4G or CDMA

If I go 4G I can bring my iPhone where ever I go around the world... If I go CDMA useless :p
 
Why is this such a big deal? Seriously, is surfing and talking THAT important?
Depends on the person and the application.

One perfectly plausible scenario is talking while driving and using your GPS-enabled smartphone as GPS device (e.g., turn-by-turn directions).

I don't own an iPhone, but I certainly use my computer a lot while I'm on the phone, so I could easily see plenty of opportunities for simultaneous voice and data use on smartphones.
 
I hope to all that is holly that Verizon gets the iPhone so these rumors and threads stop. Then we can hear the complaints from the Verizon crowd instead.
Ha ha! Isn't that the truth.

One reason AT&T's network has issues is the bandwidth demands placed on it via the iPhone. I would imagine that Verizon will be no different.
 
Ponies in disguise

Pegatron??? Seriously? It's Transformers crossed with My Little Ponies.
 
Ha ha! Isn't that the truth.

One reason AT&T's network has issues is the bandwidth demands placed on it via the iPhone. I would imagine that Verizon will be no different.

I recently switched to Verizon. In my area at least, the difference is very noticeable in both data & voice. I thought the same thing but this report says otherwise.

AT&T might be the first carrier you think of when you picture the largest mover of wireless data in the US, but according to a new study published by ABI Research, the honor actually belongs to Verizon. In fact, not only does Verizon beat out AT&T, but so does Sprint with the two networks having handled a grand total of 63% of wireless data in 2009. To give you a idea of how much data that equates to, last year Verizon and Sprint moved a whopping 16 billion MB more data than AT&T. ABI claims the numbers have more to do with AT&T’s smaller 3G coverage and the prevalence of data cards on the two EV-DO networks, but it is predicting AT&T will be able to overtake Sprint come 2012.

From source report (not study)
"A high proportion of Sprint's and Verizon's laptop connections are to lower data-consuming business customers, as well as expansive 3G coverage areas, which helps moderate their network traffic loads across any cell sector. "

I can see why people are very adamant about a VZW iPhone. The coverage is great for them. The only thing holding them back is the 3G service in their area, or the voice service is below par.

Seriously all the arguing about VZW vs. ATT recently has been RIDICULOUS.

APPLE WINS IF IT HAPPENS. Imagine how many iPhones will be purchased if Apple is with both VZW & ATT. Everyone claiming to know it won't happen are delusional, just like those who claim it will. Only a select few lucky individuals in all said companies know FOR SURE what will happen in 2010. For the unlucky ones (us) We'll all find out in time. And hopefully all benefit from whatever happens.
 
Well for people who had the original iphone it was a big deal at the time and it sucked. It was probably the biggest legitimate issue with the original iPhone.

Nah....the lack of 3G and having to use the slower EDGE instead was the biggest complaint with the first one. Not voice and data at the same time.
 
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