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If you 've not woken up to this fact by now yourself no matter how many statements (implicit or explicit) they are going to point you to you are not going to hear them...

Not sure what you mean. There is open market where I can choose what product I want. I simply fail to see, how Apple is dictating something to me. When I buy their product, I know what they offer me, it is my choice. If I found that they restrict me too much in what I want to do, I would buy the product from someone else.
 
Not sure what you mean. There is open market where I can choose what product I want. I simply fail to see, how Apple is dictating something to me. When I buy their product, I know what they offer me, it is my choice. If I found that they restrict me too much in what I want to do, I would buy the product from someone else.

I'd like to see your reaction when you just spent $2,000 on Adobe CS5 and the rest of the industry moves to a later version of CS that requires a new version of OS X only to find out that Lion or Mountain Lion broke Expose, thus screwing your workflow.

Thats just one example though. The solution would be for apple to give the user the CHOICE in system preferences to have windows be grouped or ungrouped when mission control is activated, giving those of us who liked and relied on expose in 10.6.8 the opportunity to have that functionality.

Know what bugs me? When someone tells me to shutup and deal with it. Yeah, as if a simple 'tick' in System Preferences is really going to change someones life for the worse. It will however appeal to many, but like i said previously, apple doesnt listen and they dont care about their prosumers. Apple's only care in the last 4 years has been the generic consumer (iPhone? iPad?)

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Oh, the irony. But I am glad that you guy showed up here on MR and explained us technology and basically how to do our workflows (non tablet based...)

Please point out to me where exactly I told anyone how to do their workflow. If youre incapable of doing so (because nowhere did I mention how anyone should work) your 'irony' comment is a complete lie.

Having said that, please refrain from smearing anyones comment for your own benefit of any kind.
 
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yes including the iPad one and two
 
They don't. (not obviously anyway, but they do in the simplest ways, I'll explain later). But some people tend to think that way. Hence the reply because said person couldnt comprehend the fact that I, like many others, do things that they themselves wouldnt think of.

There was never a real need for a tablet that would be a cross between a phone and laptop, but since steve jobs introduced it, people have gone apewild. Personally, I think tablets are a useless toy (all of them, ipad, galaxy, kindle fire, playbook, ALL of them) and no *real* work can be done on them. But, as we all know, that one guy, the guy that resembles big brother (ironically) proved otherwise and its been (somehow) the hottest market since the smartphone.

In any case, comments that negate someones workflow or dislike towards someones objections should be tossed out. Valid criticism should stand, ie; I can't stand Lion or Mountain Lion because its lacking proper Expose (I need to see all my open windows all at the same time. I will NOT use Lion or later because it groups all windows within an application. I multitask a lot and need a direct view of everything, something that mission control has failed miserably to do. a simple solution would be to add an option in system preferences to ungroup windows, but apple doesnt care to even add such a simple solution).

Reality is; apple DOES in fact dictate how you use your computer, whats available, what your options are, etc;
-your limited choices of video cards
-the fact that there is no reasonably priced desktop that isnt an all in one (mac mini does not count, im speaking *real desktop*)
-the need for safari to use itunes, the need for a new computer just to use a new ipod (when in reality, you shouldnt)
-no divx, xvid, x264 or mkv support on any iOS device
-the locked down nature of iOS making it impossible to retrieve music or movies BACK from an iOS device
-the fact that all iOS devices *require iTunes*
-no choice in customizing mission control the proper way (expose)
-removing launchpad from the dock does not disable, its still running in the background (an ultimately useless application)
-no removable batteries on any iOS device, EVER made

I could go on and on and on.... but theres no way to deny the fact that apple DOES limit you for their own benefit... their own profit (because they really dont give a crap about you as a consumer, prosumer, or user of a device, your just a dollar sign).

I'm not clear on where things are going with these posts - or how it ultimately relates to what could be the screen on the new iPad, but I'll chime in on these comments.

In regards to tablets being toys and not doing any work - I think you're making a gross overstatement, the same way you seem to criticize going the other direction. Maybe you can't see what work could be done on a tablet, but other people can and do - because they do things differently, no? Your reference to Steve Jobs and people doing things like wanting/buying/using iPads because he convinced people to do so - so what's your point?

Didn't Henry Ford do the same thing with the car vs the horse? Didn't Zenith do so with the tv vs the radio? Didn't the airlines convince people to fly instead of driving or taking the train/boat? When you build something great/new/interesting/game changing, the whole point is to get people to buy it. If you don't like that, well I'm not sure where you could go to get away from it. If you don't like Apple or Steve Jobs, well then don't buy their products and get a life and don't complain about it to people who do like their products.

As far as Apple dictating what you get and how you use their computers, again, I'm not sure why you even bring this up? Are you suggesting that Apple, or any company for that matter, should be so completely open in how they build products and design software to allow you to have complete freedom to get what you want and use it the way you want? That's a great idea! I think I'm going to complain that I want Honda to make a car that has a Corvette engine, all wheel drive from Audi, the interior from a Volvo S60 because that will give me exactly what I need. And I want to drive it at double the speed limit, because. The cops have no rights to tell me what I can or can't do with the car.

When you find this miracle company that gives you exactly what you want with software that does exactly what you want, please let us all know who they are. If you want to offer criticism regarding certain products or services, that's your right, but you should realize that Apple does what it does because THEY are designing the products and services that they offer. You want to change that - get a job there.
 
I'd like to see your reaction when you just spent $2,000 on Adobe CS5 and the rest of the industry moves to a later version of CS that requires a new version of OS X only to find out that Lion or Mountain Lion broke Expose, thus screwing your workflow.

Thats just one example though. The solution would be for apple to give the user the CHOICE in system preferences to have windows be grouped or ungrouped when mission control is activated, giving those of us who liked and relied on expose in 10.6.8 the opportunity to have that functionality.

Know what bugs me? When someone tells me to shutup and deal with it. Yeah, as if a simple 'tick' in System Preferences is really going to change someones life for the worse. It will however appeal to many, but like i said previously, apple doesnt listen and they dont care about their prosumers. Apple's only care in the last 4 years has been the generic consumer (iPhone? iPad?)

If the industry moves to newer CS and I really would not be able to work with previous version and I would have to pay for a new one only to discover, that it doesn't work on my machine (no matter if PC or Mac), I would buy a new one based on this experience.

First: The compatibility is (would be) Adobe's fault. They are the creators of the app that wouldn't work on older OS.

Second: If I would be worried that this might happen again, I can always sell my Mac (they hold value very well) and buy a PC. Or just buy Windows and install it on the Mac.

It still seems to me that you are blaming everything on Apple, while the compatibility of 3rd party apps is the problem of that 3rd party. You can blame Apple for broken things in their OS. It might be the Exposé - if it is really broken and not intentional change, although I think that you might be more succesful if you reported that bug to Apple (if it is bug).

And one other note: changes that user might and might not like happen on all platforms (including Linux and Microsoft), thus if you need new version of some app and it doesn't work on the version of OS you are used to use, then you should blame the company that made that app for not making it compatible with the OS you are used to work with and which is the best for your workflow.

Apple can't do much here. They change their product in a way they see fit (which doesn't mean it is better for everyone, but it doesn't matter, it is their product). Apple can't force Adobe (or anyone for that matter) to make their app compatible with previous version of OS.
 
Please point out to me where exactly I told anyone how to do their workflow. If youre incapable of doing so (because nowhere did I mention how anyone should work) your 'irony' comment is a complete lie.

Having said that, please refrain from smearing anyones comment for your own benefit of any kind.


Look guy, I have no benefit from smearing your comments. Why should I? You obviously have no use for the iPad. But then don't assume, nobody has. Because I have. Therefore I have my own workflow of doing things. Probably, as the about of sold iPads seems to indicate, have millions of others.

So yes, you have indicated, how (not) to do a workflow: not using a tablet. Because there is no use for it and no work can be done with it, right?

What I don't get, though. If you have no use or interest, why do you even post in this threat? Isn't there a better thread in MR which suits your needs?


And then your remark:
I'm getting *extremely* tired of this notion that just because some guy in a blue jeans and a black turtleneck told you to do something one way is the ONLY way to go about doing so. I'm tired of having to repeat myself over and over and over again in regards to *anything* that could be done differently.

Oh boy...:rolleyes:
 
I am one of those who are eagerly waiting for a new iPad3 to replace my iPad2 which will be passed onto another family member.

I currently use both Macs and iOS devices. I have found that my iOS devices are more convenient for certain tasks than my Macs. I also use both my iOS devices and my Macs at the same time.
 
Personally, I think tablets are a useless toy (all of them, ipad, galaxy, kindle fire, playbook, ALL of them) and no *real* work can be done on them.

I agree, but that's implied. Tablets are supposed to be toys, means of amusement: browsing the internet, playing idiotic games and so on.

Take them as they are: toys. The point is, people seem to love this kind of toys, indipendently from who introduced them to the masses.

Add the fact that having one makes you cool (irony ofc) and that they cost over 400$. Sum it up and you have an illusive cure for poor self esteem.
 
I think people are kind of forgetting where the 2048x1536 display will have a BIG advantage: text display.

Imagine incredibly sharp text display (and you can adjust the font type in some cases) in iBooks or the Amazon Kindle and Barnes & Noble Nook apps for the iPad--the text quality will be almost--if not equal--the sharpness of what you get from an e-ink based e-book reader. In short, e-books on the iPad 3 will use the electronic font equivalent of the type fonts used in real books.
 
The problem for me is the fact that for movies to look good on that monster resolution they will have to be huge in size, and the traditional lack of expandable storage on iPads could prove to be a problem...
 
The problem for me is the fact that for movies to look good on that monster resolution they will have to be huge in size, and the traditional lack of expandable storage on iPads could prove to be a problem...

What's to say that Apple won't offer a 32, 64, & 128 GB lineup og iPad 3's? The iPhone 4S is the first to have a 64 GB model. Just thinking outside the box.
 
The solution would be for apple to give the user the CHOICE in system preferences to have windows be grouped or ungrouped when mission control is activated, giving those of us who liked and relied on expose in 10.6.8 the opportunity to have that functionality.

Know what bugs me? When someone tells me to shutup and deal with it. Yeah, as if a simple 'tick' in System Preferences is really going to change someones life for the worse. It will however appeal to many, but like i said previously, apple doesnt listen and they dont care about their prosumers. Apple's only care in the last 4 years has been the generic consumer (iPhone? iPad?)


Hear hear! I spent last year writing a master's thesis and relied heavily on spaces and expose. Medical journals aren't the easiest things to navigate at the best of times but if you hide them behind each other in that Mission Control POS then you're pretty much SOL. As it is I'm sticking with SL for the foreseeable future but I'm buggered when I have to finally get round to upgrading this late '08 MBP. Why can't apple just unbreak expose? The way I see it they're either too incompetent to realise what they've done, or too arrogant to admit it.




Please point out to me where exactly I told anyone how to do their workflow. If youre incapable of doing so (because nowhere did I mention how anyone should work) your 'irony' comment is a complete lie.

The amount of people on this thread who misuse the 'irony' tag never fails to astound me. It's almost as if Americans fail to grasp the meaning ;)
 
The problem for me is the fact that for movies to look good on that monster resolution they will have to be huge in size, and the traditional lack of expandable storage on iPads could prove to be a problem...

I think movies that looked good on the iPad 2 will still look good on the iPad 3. Now if you want *better* looking movies, then yes you'll be eating more space. But on a 10" screen will 1080p look that much better than 720p anyway? In any case, wouldn't it be nice if they could offer 32/64/128 at the same price points as the previous storage sizes...
 
What I don't get, though. If you have no use or interest, why do you even post in this threat? Isn't there a better thread in MR which suits your needs?

I read the last pages of this thread and wondered what the posts have to do with the topic.
Then suddenly I remembered an old and truly wise rule when I read your sentence quoted above:

Don't feed the trolls! ;)
 
They already have money! Question tho....

:D Ok now I'm completely believe this and now I'm celebrating all the way until the announcement but answer me this…if the resolution is going to be so great, does this mean that they are going to upgrade the cameras then? I'm not sure about the still camera but shouldn't this mean that they will up recording to 1080p? I mean why have all those beautiful pixels & still be in 720p? lol
 
So I guess iPhone apps will have to run pixel quadruppled on the iPad now. My old non-retina iPhone apps aren't going to look too good :)

The problem for me is the fact that for movies to look good on that monster resolution they will have to be huge in size, and the traditional lack of expandable storage on iPads could prove to be a problem...

they aren't going to look any different than they do now....

the screen is still the same size, the size of the pixels is all that has changed. Having one "original" pixel now take up "4 pixels" will still produce the same image.
 
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This doesnt change anything. When competing products are announced with other components and features, like HDMI!... they get shunned. But a relatively usless feature like a apple branded 'retina' display get praised to no end as if its the next best thing since sliced bread. And as if such a naming convention is needed... Retina Display? Seriously? but for arrogance it sure is.. i wonder if Apple patented it..

LOL HDMI? I'll just use AirPlay, thanks. :rolleyes:
 
There was never a real need for a tablet that would be a cross between a phone and laptop, but since steve jobs introduced it, people have gone apewild. Personally, I think tablets are a useless toy (all of them, ipad, galaxy, kindle fire, playbook, ALL of them) and no *real* work can be done on them.

Interesting, I actually happen to know a lot of people who do *real* work on iPads...

Oh perhaps you have some weird definition of "real work???"

Just because an iPad might not replace YOUR laptop, doesn't mean it has no use....

Weren't you just the guy bitching about people not telling you what to do, and now you are trying to tell others that they don't need tablets and no real work can be done on them?

Pot.... kettle..
 
They don't. (not obviously anyway, but they do in the simplest ways, I'll explain later). But some people tend to think that way. Hence the reply because said person couldnt comprehend the fact that I, like many others, do things that they themselves wouldnt think of.

You're right that they don't do it explicitly, but they do force you tacitly to change to their new paradigms, and I can see how that is frustrating to some. But generally Apple's vision tends to be for the better, though occasionally, like everyone, they make mistakes, some worse than others.

There was never a real need for a tablet that would be a cross between a phone and laptop, but since steve jobs introduced it, people have gone apewild. Personally, I think tablets are a useless toy (all of them, ipad, galaxy, kindle fire, playbook, ALL of them) and no *real* work can be done on them. But, as we all know, that one guy, the guy that resembles big brother (ironically) proved otherwise and its been (somehow) the hottest market since the smartphone.

Strictly speaking there never really was a need for smartphones either. But, as far as I'm concerned, there is a heck of a lot I can do on my iPad that I can't possibly do elsewhere (or, if I can, not nearly so easily and quickly). I'll give you two examples. First one, when reading books, the level and complexity of Annotations that are possible with the iPad far surpass the capabilities of your basic pen and paper, or the cumbersome way of reading your books/pdfs on laptops. The touch interface is much superior to your computer, and the digital format allows far greater possibilities than the old printed paper. The point is, depending on the work you do, there are multiple uses to the iPad.

Second one, think of the medical profession and their use of tablets. The function there is not one of a toy, and I don't consider the doctors to be playing around when they utilize the digital format.

In any case, comments that negate someones workflow or dislike towards someones objections should be tossed out. Valid criticism should stand, ie; I can't stand Lion or Mountain Lion because its lacking proper Expose (I need to see all my open windows all at the same time. I will NOT use Lion or later because it groups all windows within an application. I multitask a lot and need a direct view of everything, something that mission control has failed miserably to do. a simple solution would be to add an option in system preferences to ungroup windows, but apple doesnt care to even add such a simple solution).

Well that's probably because you don't use Full-Screen or the apps you have aren't full-screen capable/efficient. If everything you had was in full screen, then you'd see all your open windows at the same time through mission control. But yes, that's Apple's way of forcing mission control and full-screen apps on you. For my part, I love it.

Reality is; apple DOES in fact dictate how you use your computer, whats available, what your options are, etc;

Agreed, and I'm grateful to those that allow us to tweak the lockdown by using jailbreaks or third-party apps, like Perian on OS X. I wish there were more such developers.
 
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No, it means that ALL displays will look like a POS after you use the retina display iPad 3 :p

Just like the switch from CRTs to LCDs. "Nice" CRTs looked like mushy crap after a few hours with an LCD.

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I think tablets are a useless toy (all of them, ipad, galaxy, kindle fire, playbook, ALL of them) and no *real* work can be done on them.

funny, mine paid for itself in a month.
 
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