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Raises the question why Windows 95, 98, ME, 2000, XP and Vista weren't recalled.
 
I suggested that they could turn a silly case-issue into something positive. Not a mistake that pollutes an entire ocean.

It is a silly issue, buy a case.

Lions and Tigers and Bears, OH MY!!!!!



Well - it seems you have it all solved. Maybe you should call Steve Jobs and give him your amazing advice.

Your Wizard of Oz reference is very appropriate. You're living in an alternative universe.

Raises the question why Windows 95, 98, ME, 2000, XP and Vista weren't recalled.

Because you can fix software without recalling vs. hardware that something physically needs to be done to it?
 
And there is such a thing as bad press. To think otherwise is naive and ridiculous. I've been in Marketing and PR for over 20 years. There is DEFINITELY "bad" press. You think BP is patting each other on the back for THEIR press lately? WOW

The funny thing is that the same people complaining will still go on buying gas at their nearest BP station, or buying things they didn't even know were connected to BP. Your groceries? Probably delivered by truck running on BP.

Most people will see the consumer reports, have their interest piqued, run over to the nearest Apple store to try it out, can't replicate the issue, and buy it. If they don't buy an iPhone, think about all the free advertising for the rest of the brand. The same person walking into the store or surfing their website will get sidetracked by all the computers and ipods and ipads.

There are just too many angles to consider when saying there's actually such thing as bad press.
 
LOL. I think that the one in need of a psychiatrist is you.

Yes, i do, I am losing my mind over the mentality of haters. I would rather have my "defective" iPhone 4 than any Droid ever made, and I have owned them ALL.

I ran into my EVO loving friend who jizzed in his pants ranting and raving about the antenna issue. BTW, i just returned the sorry EVO two days before I ran into that tard. I could see that huge thing bulging in his pants as he talked to me, at least I think it was his EVO, but who knows with that guy.

I laughed because I know his EVO blows, the app store it has blows, its battery life blows and it looks like a freak show. Poor brainwashed moron.

Please give me some meds now......
 
Because you can fix software without recalling vs. hardware that something physically needs to be done to it?

Can but don't.

My point is that it is a design flaw and no amount of service packs seem to rectify the fact that core programming is flawed.
 
I laughed because I know his EVO blows, the app store it has blows, its battery life blows and it looks like a freak show. Poor brainwashed moron.

Please give me some meds now......

What is your point?

Most people regard the iPhone 4 as the best phone at the moment in several regards, however that doesn't make the arguments about the antenna void.

I love my iPhone 4, except when I can't use it because I'm holding it.
 
There are just too many angles to consider when saying there's actually such thing as bad press.

There's such a thing as bad press. Period. And Apple TRIED to spin the issue and failed with it's "letter." They are in DAMAGE CONTROL mode. They can't spin the situation positively at this point - they can only control and equalize.

Again - and ego aside - with over 20 years of Marketing and PR experience, I have plenty of experience in all aspects.

But people, like yourself can believe anything you want - especially when it's a clever soundbite/quote.
 
Can but don't.

My point is that it is a design flaw and no amount of service packs seem to rectify the fact that core programming is flawed.

What specific issue do you have with those versions of Windows that has not been resolved?

This is ONE issue with ONE product that appears to be a hardware problem. It's an entirely different situation.
 
What is your point?

Most people regard the iPhone 4 as the best phone at the moment in several regards, however that doesn't make the arguments about the antenna void.

I love my iPhone 4, except when I can't use it because I'm holding it.

My point is its not an issue, buy a case, i did, it is now protected and works, and is actually better than my 3GS.

So you can either sit their with your iPhone 4 in your pocket ranting, or get a dang case to fix the problem.

I just do not get the mentality.
 
Except I didn't misunderstand anything. Based on this thread subject and your posts, tis you that has some comprehension problems.

It was my post, crazy man, LOL. I referenced OZ because the antenna is like you being afraid of Lions, tigers and bears. Silly little things that are actually more harmless to you than any real problem like apps that don't work, battery life that blows, or phones to big to fit in your jeans.
 
Nice point. Maybe Apple can use this to their advantage, show off their world-class customer support.

However, I do think there is a huge mob of dorks hiding in the shadows just hoping to pounce on any sign of weakness in Apple. Like they are going to say 'told you so' a million times as they fall asleep and everything they have ever felt is now justified in their eyes. So funny.

Kinda like the huge mob of dorks who are willing to take an inferior (i.e., doesn't really work all the time) product and proclaim it's unconditional greatness.

The iPhone 4 is an awesome device....but it is crap as a phone.
 
My point is its not an issue, buy a case, i did, it is now protected and works, and is actually better than my 3GS.

So you can either sit their with your iPhone 4 in your pocket ranting, or get a dang case to fix the problem.

I just do not get the mentality.

Because you are egocentric. I'll explain it to you.

YOU solved YOUR issue with a case because that's what YOU wanted. And it works for YOU.

Other people might not want to use a case or might want the device they bought to actually function as it's supposed to without a jury-rig.

I saw this analogy - it might make sense to you.

I buy a car.
The car works fine - but darn it - the gas take has a whole and leaks gas. I can drive - but my mileage is really bad
The manufacturer says "no problem - use duct tape"


Yes - the duct tape will "solve" the results of the issue - but it doesn't solve the PROBLEM itself. The problem is that there is a hole in the gas tank. No one is arguing that there might be a fix/band aid. What people want is a gas tank without a hole.
 
There's such a thing as bad press. Period. And Apple TRIED to spin the issue and failed with it's "letter." They are in DAMAGE CONTROL mode. They can't spin the situation positively at this point - they can only control and equalize.

Again - and ego aside - with over 20 years of Marketing and PR experience, I have plenty of experience in all aspects.

But people, like yourself can believe anything you want - especially when it's a clever soundbite/quote.

People vote with wallets ultimately, not mouths. In that sense, you will see how wrong you are. There are plenty of people not interested in buying an iPhone and still will not after this bit of negative press, but a percentage of that population will suddenly discover that that ipod touch sure looks fun.

Deflate your ego a little bit-- you might turn into a more understanding person. Just saying. Relax a little..
 
It was my post, crazy man, LOL. I referenced OZ because the antenna is like you being afraid of Lions, tigers and bears. Silly little things that are actually more harmless to you than any real problem like apps that don't work, battery life that blows, or phones to big to fit in your jeans.

Wow. You think I didn't get your reference. Go look up sarcasm in the dictionary and come report what you find out....

It's pointless to discuss anything with you - so I'm done. Good luck in life.
 
My point is its not an issue, buy a case, i did, it is now protected and works, and is actually better than my 3GS.

I don't want a case.

IMO cases belong in the 1990s.

I'm not convinced that a bumper (or other case) really solves the problem. I've seen too many mixed reports, and the only person I know with a case hasn't seen an improvement (although they wanted a case for protection).

So you can either sit their with your iPhone 4 in your pocket ranting, or get a dang case to fix the problem.

I just do not get the mentality.

Maybe it's a European thing, but when I buy an expensive product (or any product for that matter), I expect it to work without having to buy a clunky extra.
 
Really? Ask Toyota and BP about that. I recommend starting by checking their market cap over the past 8 mos.

Actually, all those BP parodies are giving them loads of free advertising, and let's face it, both Toyota and BP will recover from their situations eventually, and when they do, their share prices will rocket.

I check stock forums, and I've seen quite a few people buying BP shares in anticipation of recovery.
 
People vote with wallets ultimately, not mouths. In that sense, you will see how wrong you are. There are plenty of people not interested in buying an iPhone and still will not after this bit of negative press, but a percentage of that population will suddenly discover that that ipod touch sure looks fun.

Deflate your ego a little bit-- you might turn into a more understanding person. Just saying. Relax a little..

I'm perfectly relaxed. Sincerely. I'm enjoying watching what will be a PR Case Study for students to learn from for years to come.

Consumers are only one aspect of the equation. Stockholders - a whole other. The press can and no doubt is wreaking a bit of havoc on people's decisions whether to buy, sell or hold.


Apple will survive - that's not a question in my mind. But bad press is bad press is bad press. Their IMAGE is being tainted. What the long term effects will be - only time will tell. And only time.
 
It's totally mob mentality and the stupid media.

No one holds there phone in a death grip to use it. I have a iPhone 3GS that has never had an issue, when i heard about the "death grip" i tried it and the same thing happens on that phone.

In the real world 99% of the time this is a non issue. People just have this stupid placebo effect now that they KNOW you can kill the signal if you hold it a certain way and will blame that on every dropped call or other issue which is usually the fault of AT&T's horrid network.

Oh well.

YOU CANNOT be for real! I have Mac's, Iphone 3g and was anxiously waiting for the IP4. I pre-ordered, I checked my tracking number, upgrade status etc a thousand times (literally). I got my IP4 delivered as promised. Activated, restored, backup and God was it sweet. Beautiful screen, Nice camera (blue blob aside, and fast, really fast. Now if it or the replacement had just made phone calls I would have kept one of them. Now I and many others are trashed for posting bad things about Apple. Again get Real! I live in a weak signal area and so do many others. If you live and work in a 5 bar environment that's wonderful. We all don't. I had a bad problem with the Antenna and YES the bumper I bought on this forum fixed that but then I had the proximity sensor problem also. Spent more time looking in the mirror trying to find out what was going on then I like to admit. The bottom line is this! I am an Apple fan / customer. I had two (2) IP4's that acted the same. I returned both this morning and re-activated my 3G. It was like going back to an old friend. NO FRICKEN PROBLEMS albeit a little slow. When Apple gets this sorted out I will get another IP4 or I may have to wait for the 5 or whatever but I need to make reliable phone calls and right now my 3G fills that role. Some of YOU FANBOYS do not realize that you are doing as much damage to the product as the actual product is doing to itself. Everyone having a problem does not hate Apple, THEY ARE JUST HAVING PROBLEMS WITH THEIR PRODUCT!
 
Actually, all those BP parodies are giving them loads of free advertising, and let's face it, both Toyota and BP will recover from their situations eventually, and when they do, their share prices will rocket.

I check stock forums, and I've seen quite a few people buying BP shares in anticipation of recovery.

There's a difference between profiteering and investing.

People will always take advantage of the market. And then they will sell it off when they feel they are maxing out their profits. So buying behavior in wake of a disaster is not at all surprising. It's still very risky and depends on how quickly people believe that "bounceback" will be. It could be 6 months. It could be years.
 
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