why not keep the current mac pro design and rename it mac mini?
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'Constant Negativity' From Pro Users Led Apple to Develop Modular Mac Pro, Which May Not Ship Until 2019
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I know, right? It's still entirely a capable machine. It's handled pretty much anything I throw at it.
A negative response from your customers just means you have a twitter account... Can you find me an article titled "Jobs changes course due to constant negativity"? Think he'd have patience for the people saying "building a new pro machine is easy, take a Dell and put an Apple logo on it, that's all we really need"?
The whole premise of this article is wrong. Apple isn't responding to "negativity". This is the G4 Cube all over again-- they went for what they thought was a ideal design but started having heat and pricing issues with it. There was an overwhelmingly positive response to the trash can when it launched, just as there was to the cube, but it was expensive, narrowly focused, and difficult to evolve.
Quick questions to you who follow this sort of thing... @maflynn as a mod do you remember...
Do you all remember when Anand Shimpi, founder of Anandtech got hired by Apple a few years ago?
Do you all remember some people here were excited because they thought it meant Anand was going to help Apple keep its fingers on the pulse of technology and sort of keep Apple "real"?
Others thought they bought him to shut him up because he was so adept at calling them out on their crap.
What in the hell ever happened to Anand and his association with Apple? With a guy like him on board this shouldn't have happened...IF they ever meant to listen to him.
Do you all remember when Anand Shimpi, founder of Anandtech got hired by Apple a few years ago?
Do you all remember some people here were excited because they thought it meant Anand was going to help Apple keep its fingers on the pulse of technology and sort of keep Apple "real"?
Others thought they bought him to shut him up because he was so adept at calling them out on their crap.
What in the hell ever happened to Anand and his association with Apple? With a guy like him on board this shouldn't have happened...IF they ever meant to listen to him.
I love my MBP's Touch Bar, please don't take it away from me.
Bring on the Magic Keyboard 2 with Touch ID and Touch Bar! If it supports my 2012 iMac, I'll buy it.
I imagine the future of the Touch Bar to be in haptic feedback – there have been various patents filed by Apple about simulating surface structures or even separate physical keys through vibration and peltier elements, and I think the Touch Bar will be the first place for that to show up in a Mac. The next big step then probably will be unifying Touch Bar, mechanical Keyboard and Trackpad into one big multi-functional touch display surface. That could be used to either just display the known layout with function row (current Touch Bar) on top, standard keyboard and Trackpad area below, or to display a variety of controls and other things on the whole area. It would also include Pencil support.
Bring on the Magic Keyboard 2 with Touch ID and Touch Bar! If it supports my 2012 iMac, I'll buy it.
I imagine the future of the Touch Bar to be in haptic feedback – there have been various patents filed by Apple about simulating surface structures or even separate physical keys through vibration and peltier elements, and I think the Touch Bar will be the first place for that to show up in a Mac. The next big step then probably will be unifying Touch Bar, mechanical Keyboard and Trackpad into one big multi-functional touch display surface. That could be used to either just display the known layout with function row (current Touch Bar) on top, standard keyboard and Trackpad area below, or to display a variety of controls and other things on the whole area. It would also include Pencil support.
We were in the same boat when Apple went to the Retina models. In fact we are still using the older non-retina's do to the RAM & storage limits they have. Sure! We would love to migrate our MacBook Pro's to a newer MacBook Pro systems.
If Apple doesn't make the needed changes (Ports, Storage & RAM) we will be moving to Gasp! MS Windows! Thats over 500 systems Razer will be getting next year.
We had hoped Apple would have moved with a REAL Pro's MacBook Pro system sooner. We're still waiting... This fall is the make or break point for us.
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my guess is at the time they were pouring resources into being a luxury brand with the Apple Watch, Watch bands, iPhones, iPads, and building a new spaceship. I generally think they felt an iMac was good enough as a replacement to a MacPro with hopes of just discontinuing it entirely and hoped nobody would notice.
Tons of people dissed the iPhone, the iPad, the lack of flash support, everything Apple did. Apple wasn't immune to criticism back when Steve Jobs was at the helm, so I don't quite see what is different here.
The difference is, history proved most of those people wrong. It's 2017, and the initial trash can complaints are more valid than ever before. Apple probably assumed that, with time, the nMP would become a new industry standard and those complaints would eventually sound misplaced.
Also, I'm biased toward post-production, but I cannot overstate the impact that the initial rollout of FCPX plus these machines had on that industry. The nMP was the hardware equivalent of FCPX. Apple might not have actually cared, but the combination of the two releases permanently changed post-production, and pissed off a lot of people in the process.
This is also why I don't know how much of an impact this new Mac Pro will possibly have. Maybe there many other industries with the ability to wait it out, but post has walked. And I say that as somebody that, for better or worse, runs a 100% FCPX shop using nMP's.
I was quite happy with this form factor, it just needed an upgrade. I
It's ok being square and boxy, lego style. It's ok being heavy. It's ok being big-ish. It's a desktop; it's meant to be on top of your desk
I disagree. I have no problem paying a couple hundred more for a computer that I can use for 3+ years. For me the problem with the (lack of) ports isn't the cost, it's the annoyance of not being able to connect screens at meetings and things like the occasional USB stick and USB security keys without constantly carrying around adapters.
Me too. My Mac Pro is 7 years old but I just upgraded the processors, RAM and soon the video card making it a very speedy system which can match or beat most contemporary systems, albeit without being able to run nighshift (thanks Apple). I'm happy they finally got the messsage and hope the product line actually reflects this feedback when the "Pro" arrives. I don't want a dumbed down pro system. I hope modular means fully upgradeable so I can run my four disks without an external box.
So happy this happened and is leading to change. I just bought the older Macbook Pro a few days ago for business use. The keyboard and the ports were major factors in my decision.
Still using mine from 2009 and upgraded all the drives in 2013. Love it!I was quite happy with this form factor, it just needed an upgrade. I
Yeah, That was basically the GPU's. D700's were the top of the line part available. They were equivelant IIRC to the FirePro W9000. which was also equivelant to the HD 7990 in performance. (but 2x the VRAM)
These cards were released in mid 2012.
Apple's Mac Pro using these cards launched Dec 2013, almost 1.5 years later. By 2013, AMD had on the desktop side released the 8xxx series GPU. And Nvidia had released many of the high end of the 7xx series
So when it released there was absolutely a small generational gap between it and what could be built into standard workstations.
But the CPU's were not date. This is where people are often wrong. Yes, They were Ivy bridged based at a time where Haswell was just launched. But Haswell was only available in the consumer i series, NOT yet available to the Xeon series. the Ivy bridge E5-1620 V2 that launched in the Mac Pro actually was only a couple months old as it was launched in Q3 2013
http://ark.intel.com/products/75779/Intel-Xeon-Processor-E5-1620-v2-10M-Cache-3_70-GHz
Wait, there must be plenty of Mac&iOS apps that allow you to use the iPad as a trackpad. / drawing tool?!?!?!
Ive doesn't need to be removed. He's obviously very talented, but it seemed his authority went unchallenged following the loss of Jobs. Apple needs (a very qualified) someone to challenge him in the name of usability.
They can release a laptop with a touch bar, I have no issues with that - just don't attach the 'Pro' moniker to it. The machines are designed to be stylish first and foremost, and not a powerful workhorse that pro users expect. I'm sticking with my older laptop until Apple address this, and if that dies then I'll hunt down a 2015 model as they're the last decent model that Apple have produced.
As for the Mac Pro, yeah the 2013 model was a very poor design to begin with. My pro sitting behind me has a 5" fan attached to the top to help regulate the heat. It's just not a beast like the towers were.
As for the Mac Pro, yeah the 2013 model was a very poor design to begin with. My pro sitting behind me has a 5" fan attached to the top to help regulate the heat. It's just not a beast like the towers were.
You can just imagine the meeting they had at Apple: "Throw them a bone, it'll stop their whining..."
Thank you Apple! It turns out those complaining loudly about the Pro line have had our collective voices heard. All-in-one unupgradable, unrepairable dongle requiring devices are fine for the throwaway consumer line since most people don't want to tinker with their devices but the Pro line needs to be the exact opposite of that. It needs to be function over form, upgradable and repairable.
It's OK to take chances and make some mistakes as a result as long as you acknowledge them when they are made and do what's necessary to make it right.
The Mac Pro is a joke and the MacBook Pro isn't a Pro device it's a high-end consumer MacBook.
It's OK to take chances and make some mistakes as a result as long as you acknowledge them when they are made and do what's necessary to make it right.
The Mac Pro is a joke and the MacBook Pro isn't a Pro device it's a high-end consumer MacBook.
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i'm pretty sure they already made alternative design studies before they decided on the 2013 MP. (rackmount rumors, anyone? not going to happen anyway 
). there's also the beloved cheese-grater design that could just use a few tweaks. hardware-components form factors have remained largely the same since then. so, depending on what they already have, we might actually see something next year. or not.
). there's also the beloved cheese-grater design that could just use a few tweaks. hardware-components form factors have remained largely the same since then. so, depending on what they already have, we might actually see something next year. or not.