iPad Constant reloading of tabs in Safari makes iPad Air useless!

[ZBoater]

Dude...I am not saying increasing RAM is only way out... It is one way to help relaxing the situation. Larger amount if RAM will help the situation but not completely solve it. Until Apple figures out the god dam problem, I say increasing RAM is best way to go.

Dude, I am disagreeing with you because the only way of increasing the RAM is to crack the case open and have at it with a soldering iron. Or create a whole new product and have us buy it again. No thanks. I'd rather hope for a free iOS update.

Ever experiencing you writing long email, then device to check out some information on Safari, then go back to email app finding the email app refreshed and lost all your writing?

Yes, it has happened to me. Mostly on Safari. But if you look at the Notes app, that one saves whatever you type no matter what you load afterwards. So there is a way to fix this in software.

I would love a 2GB iPad. But to blame lack of RAM as THE cause of the crashes is nonsense. And to blame Apple of intentionally designing their apps to crash is double nonsense. I'm just not fond of nonsense.

 

[chamferedmind]

Dude, I am disagreeing with you because the only way of increasing the RAM is to crack the case open and have at it with a soldering iron. Or create a whole new product and have us buy it again. No thanks. I'd rather hope for a free iOS update.



Yes, it has happened to me. Mostly on Safari. But if you look at the Notes app, that one saves whatever you type no matter what you load afterwards. So there is a way to fix this in software.

I would love a 2GB iPad. But to blame lack of RAM as THE cause of the crashes is nonsense. And to blame Apple of intentionally designing their apps to crash is double nonsense. I'm just not fond of nonsense.

It is nonsense to you because you can't understand. And that is beyond my will to explain it to you. Try re-reading all of my previous posts.

 

[cababah]

Changing iOS completely to use less RAM would cost more for Apple than adding another 1GB of RAM. It was a mistake, yes.

Agreed. That is why I grow so tired of hearing arguments about efficient coding and defending Apple's choices to be cheap and how "magical" iOS is at memory management. While that is all good and true to a certain extent, at some point you need more head room. Web pages, apps, and games aren't getting any smaller....

However, from a marketing standpoint it is brilliant. They effectively are using the same SOC as the iPhone 5S which is already in full production so they can minimize production costs and still charge the premium they have always done for iPads (that start at a laughable 16GB). If Apple were to put 2GB in the Air, it would require a newer SOC which would be a lot more expensive than I initially imagined.

Like most Apple products, the lackluster specs are having absolutely 0 impact on sales. The iPads are a hit this holiday season despite them having a short life span with the 1GB of RAM. The addition of 2GB or more in a future "iPad Pro" model would make sense as the higher production costs of manufacturing a new SOC would be justified due to the higher sale price of the device.

 

[007p]

7. The iPad 4 has the same 1GB memory of the iPad Air, but that's for a 32bit OS, which consumes more than 30% less memory.

8. The iPad Air is useless for at least a low usage of full web browsing, because then you just can't access full websites or the ones with video and many pictures, which is pretty much standard on the web today.

10. There's no miracle for the proper lack of RAM on a machine: you either let the app run very, very slowly, with limited resources enabled or by paging to the disk, or the app crashes.

Since you seem to know more on this subject, can you explain to me why my ipad 2 on ios 6 with only 512 of ram can comfortably keep 8 tabs open without refreshing? (Got 4x MR open and 4x other - just tested). If this was a lack of ram would this device not be suffering beyond use if an Air with 1gb can't keep 1-3 tabs open at a time? 30% more usage does not explain this, software issues involving safari 64 bit and pathetic optimisation of ios 7 can though.

Can the difference in resolution really justify the crashes / differences?

 

[macfacts]

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And to blame Apple of intentionally designing their apps to crash is double nonsense. I'm just not fond of nonsense.

Apple isn't doing it on purpose. Thats just how it ends up.

Try this, create a virtual machine or get a pc with 512MB of ram with Windows on it. Turn off Swap in windows. Load up Firefox or whatever and try to download a 600MB linux iso (or any large file). End result is firefox will crash just like what you see with Safari on ipads.

 

[chamferedmind]

Agreed. That is why I grow so tired of hearing arguments about efficient coding and defending Apple's choices to be cheap and how "magical" iOS is at memory management. While that is all good and true to a certain extent, at some point you need more head room. Web pages, apps, and games aren't getting any smaller....

Exactly... Apple can control most apps because developers are limited by the system resources. But when it comes to the wild outside world of web browsing, than the distortion field gets harder to implement.

There's a limit for everything and RAM from 2004 is not exactly a wise limit, but it does show how well the OS is optimized. But it can't take more optimizations without losing usability.

 

[MisakixMikasa]

Dude, I am disagreeing with you because the only way of increasing the RAM is to crack the case open and have at it with a soldering iron. Or create a whole new product and have us buy it again. No thanks. I'd rather hope for a free iOS update.



Yes, it has happened to me. Mostly on Safari. But if you look at the Notes app, that one saves whatever you type no matter what you load afterwards. So there is a way to fix this in software.

I would love a 2GB iPad. But to blame lack of RAM as THE cause of the crashes is nonsense. And to blame Apple of intentionally designing their apps to crash is double nonsense. I'm just not fond of nonsense.

None of high end products selling 600 dollars launched in 2012 and 2013 come with 1GB of memory or 512MB of memory. Apple needed to take the blame for not upgrading the memory. Upgrading everything while bottleneckig the RAM is completely nonsense..,

And yes, lack of memory will crash the application or even the whole OS itself. On desktop OS, when you running out of memory, OS will pages everything to local hard disk, because of local hard drive is slower than memory, system will response slowly. And when virtual memory running out, system will crash. iOS does not page out memory to hard disk, maybe because everything is sandboxed and have not privilege to access root drive. Low memory crash is product of design choice. Unless Apple find a way to do that, increase RAM is he best way to go.

 

[chamferedmind]

Since you seem to know more on this subject, can you explain to me why my ipad 2 on ios 6 with only 512 of ram can comfortably keep 8 tabs open without refreshing? (Got 4x MR open and 4x other - just tested). If this was a lack of ram would this device not be suffering beyond use if an Air with 1gb can't keep 1-3 tabs open at a time? 30% more usage does not explain this, software issues involving safari 64 bit and pathetic optimisation of ios 7 can though.

Yes. 512Gb of RAM for a lower resolution and less resource-hungry OS can make miracles... in iOS 6 you don't have half of the eye-candy, resource-consuming features of iOS 7. Also, that means that while a tab is being reloaded, the other one can be flushed out without crashing the app. It's like adding one thin person to a crowded elevator instead of adding one huge fat person instead. But even the thin person has it's limits for being thin, regarding the free space available.

 

[007p]

And yes, lack of memory will crash the application or even the whole OS itself. On desktop OS, when you running out of memory, OS will pages everything to local hard disk, because of local hard drive is slower than memory, system will response slowly. And when virtual memory running out, system will crash. iOS does not page out memory to hard disk, maybe because everything is sandboxed and have not privilege to access root drive. Low memory crash is product of design choice. Unless Apple find a way to do that, increase RAM is he best way to go.

Could a temporary fix exist with a jailbreak then (to store pages onto hard disk, I think a tweak like this existed a while ago?), at least until the next iPad with more ram comes out ?

 

[Misskitty]

None of high end products selling 600 dollars launched in 2012 and 2013 come with 1GB of memory or 512MB of memory. Apple needed to take the blame for not upgrading the memory. Upgrading everything while bottleneckig the RAM is completely nonsense..,

And yes, lack of memory will crash the application or even the whole OS itself. On desktop OS, when you running out of memory, OS will pages everything to local hard disk, because of local hard drive is slower than memory, system will response slowly. And when virtual memory running out, system will crash. iOS does not page out memory to hard disk, maybe because everything is sandboxed and have not privilege to access root drive. Low memory crash is product of design choice. Unless Apple find a way to do that, increase RAM is he best way to go.

This is Apple, we're talking about here, one of the greediest corporations in the world. They most likely knew about the 1 vs 2gb ram debate but intentionally left it out, because in 6 months they will put out a newer model with 2GB ram for $100 more! Apple always intentionally leaves stuff out that should be in there.

 

[chamferedmind]

Agreed. That is why I grow so tired of hearing arguments about efficient coding and defending Apple's choices to be cheap and how "magical" iOS is at memory management. While that is all good and true to a certain extent, at some point you need more head room. Web pages, apps, and games aren't getting any smaller....

However, from a marketing standpoint it is brilliant. They effectively are using the same SOC as the iPhone 5S which is already in full production so they can minimize production costs and still charge the premium they have always done for iPads (that start at a laughable 16GB). If Apple were to put 2GB in the Air, it would require a newer SOC which would be a lot more expensive than I initially imagined.

Like most Apple products, the lackluster specs are having absolutely 0 impact on sales. The iPads are a hit this holiday season despite them having a short life span with the 1GB of RAM. The addition of 2GB or more in a future "iPad Pro" model would make sense as the higher production costs of manufacturing a new SOC would be justified due to the higher sale price of the device.

Yes... But... Do we want a 13 inch iPad Pro? Unless it has a maximum 10" screen, I'm out.

 

[007p]

This is Apple, we're talking about here, one of the greediest corporations in the world. They most likely knew about the 1 vs 2gb ram debate but intentionally left it out, because in 6 months they will put out a newer model with 2GB ram for $100 more! Apple always intentionally leaves stuff out that should be in there.

I still think it has something to do with the fact that they are still selling ipad mini and ipad 2 with 512mb. It would be too much of a jump if they did 2gb. Next year when ipad mini and ipad 2 stop being sold it won't matter >.<

 

[ZBoater]

This is Apple, we're talking about here, one of the greediest corporations in the world. They most likely knew about the 1 vs 2gb ram debate but intentionally left it out, because in 6 months they will put out a newer model with 2GB ram for $100 more! Apple always intentionally leaves stuff out that should be in there.

Niiiiiice. I wonder why then you buy products from such an evil corporation?

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None of high end products selling 600 dollars launched in 2012 and 2013 come with 1GB of memory or 512MB of memory. ...

And if Apple were trying to compete with these folks on specs, I'd agree with you.

But they don't. So I won't.

The product either works or it doesn't, and the product will either sell and wipe the floor with the competition with more RAM, or it doesn't. We already know the answer to this, so it is pointless to be expecting Apple to compete on specs. They don't do that.

 

[MisakixMikasa]

Could a temporary fix exist with a jailbreak then (to store pages onto hard disk, I think a tweak like this existed a while ago?), at least until the next iPad with more ram comes out ?

I am no computer scientist... But I would image you need a system to managing virtual memory. This is kernel level thing, I do not think simple root access would resolve problem.

 

[ZBoater]

It is nonsense to you because you can't understand. And that is beyond my will to explain it to you. Try re-reading all of my previous posts.

Sorry, but I'd rather pour salt on a paper cut than re-read your posts. Once was quite enough to figure you out.

 

[007p]

I am no computer scientist... But I would image you need a system to managing virtual memory. This is kernel level thing, I do not think simple root access would resolve problem.

Yeah I had a quick look just now doesn't seem like it is possible, at least no one has done it (yet).

If 7.1 doesn't help things maybe there will be a way to drop some of the eye-candy at least to save up some ram, and perhaps use a 32bit browser.

 

[ZBoater]

...The addition of 2GB or more in a future "iPad Pro" model would make sense as the higher production costs of manufacturing a new SOC would be justified due to the higher sale price of the device.

If there was a market for that. Apple has found the sweet spot and a mass (200+ MILLION) market for their iPads. How many MacRumors enthusiasts do you think there are to care about these Pro models? 5? 50? 500? 5000? Not enough to justify a departure from a very successful market strategy.

So I think it makes more sense to fix the iOS 7 mess than it does to introduce a new hardware line for a very small market.

 

[chamferedmind]

Sorry, but I'd rather pour salt on a paper cut than re-read your posts. Once was quite enough to figure you out.

Let me guess what you figured out... That I know much more than you do?

Now I figure you out completely.

 

[MisakixMikasa]

And if Apple were trying to compete with these folks on specs, I'd agree with you.

But they don't. So I won't.

The product either works or it doesn't, and the product will either sell and wipe the floor with the competition with more RAM, or it doesn't. We already know the answer to this, so it is pointless to be expecting Apple to compete on specs. They don't do that.

We aren't talking about competition. A flagship product designed and produced I. 2012 and 2013 should have 2GB RAM as bear minimum to handle ever increased demand in RAM with retina display and rich media format on webpages.

Yes, the product will work with 1GB of memory, but how good it works? I am one of the person seriously annoyed by app refresh or page refreshes. I have Android device, it feel so nice when it does not refresh pages like the way iOS does.

 

[ZBoater]

We aren't talking about competition. A flagship product designed and produced I. 2012 and 2013 should have 2GB RAM as bear minimum to handle ever increased demand in RAM with retina display and rich media format on webpages.

Yes, the product will work with 1GB of memory, but how good it works? I am one of the person seriously annoyed by app refresh or page refreshes. I have Android device, it feel so nice when it does not refresh pages like the way iOS does.

I am not disagreeing with you that it is annoying. What I am disagreeing with is the conclusion that it is caused by the 1GB of RAM.

 

[luckylisp]

Any issues with Chrome?

Yes, same issues with Chrome. I'm using the Mercury browser now which still crashes, but not as much as Safari. At least for me.

I was hoping the crashing could be solved with an update, but I'm more concerned now after reading some of the thoughts on this thread.

 

[chamferedmind]

We aren't talking about competition. A flagship product designed and produced I. 2012 and 2013 should have 2GB RAM as bear minimum to handle ever increased demand in RAM with retina display and rich media format on webpages.

Yes, the product will work with 1GB of memory, but how good it works? I am one of the person seriously annoyed by app refresh or page refreshes. I have Android device, it feel so nice when it does not refresh pages like the way iOS does.

I wouldn't bother with ZBoater much... his passive-agressive trolling wants to provoke answers which he tries to learn something from, but he lacks the dignity to recognize, learn, be humble and move on.

 

[MisakixMikasa]

I am not disagreeing with you that it is annoying. What I am disagreeing with is the conclusion that it is caused by the 1GB of RAM.

Dude... You need see the fact...here...

Here is the RAM usages upon boot up with no application running beside this RAM monitoring app...


This is what RAM usage after four tabs opened

If you still think 1GB is enough and problem is not cause by lack of RAM...then I have absolutely nothing else to say...

 

[ZBoater]

Wow, look at all those tabs. And not a single one has to reload. Imagine that.

 

[ZBoater]

Dude... You need see the fact...here...

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This is what RAM usage after four tabs opened

If you still think 1GB is enough and problem is not cause by lack of RAM...then I have absolutely nothing else to say...

WHAT four tabs? I just posted a pic with TEN tabs and its not reloading. So doesn't it MATTER what tabs you are loading?

What is the browser SUPPOSED to do when it runs out of RAM? Or is 2GB a magical number where there will never be a low memory situation again?