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I'm not attacking anyone. I'm saying why new poster's comments don't get the respect that more seasoned posters do.

I'm focusing on the problem. The problem is that the amount of force on my iPhone 6+ when it's in my pocket is not enough to bend it (If it were, mine would be bent, and it isn't). You can't bend my phone in my pocket no matter what you post.

My iPhone is strong enough to resist bending in normal use. I don't need it to be stronger. You may, but that means nothing to me.

Why is it so important to you that the iPhone be the unbendiest phone in history? It only need to be unbendy enough to be a phone. And mine is. I can't join your crusade, because I'm not a believer in your cause, which appears to be evaporating before your eyes.

Sigh. I don't know why I bother. This post is just dribble. You're seeing and hearing things you want to see and hear. I never said that the iPhone had to be the unbendiest phone in history. I'm not on any crusade. And nothing is evaporating. Just stop this nonsense already and focus on the problem and be objective.
 
A simple question : why the hell would a normal consumer intentionally try the bend the their Phone ? Let a alone an $$$ iPhone.
Flaw design ; some people keep asking !?
Manufacture designs products for "normal" people with "normal " usage !
Not for idiots who try to sit on it or intentional bending it !

Really !? Get a life.
 
This thread is filled with people talking about "science" and "objectivity" as if there is some fact of the matter about what counts as "scientific" or "objective." These concepts--these practices (science and objectivity, respectively)--are contested and subject to constant argumentation. If you don't know that already, you need to go think about what these words mean before you use them here. Or better yet, just go find a place to be quiet and stay that way for a while.

I'm, honestly, not sure why any of this matters in the first place. Some phone made by some manufacturer bends under pressure. Who gives a good god damn? Every person in this thread has contributed to the ramblings of a hysterical mob. Nothing any of us said here will contribute to anything useful whatsoever: our posts do little more than add to a growing tumor made of blathered nonsense.
 
And sadly it seems to be "poor design" the after all, if you look at this. http://imgur.com/a/FBegH
It seems there is a "weak spot" behind the volume buttons. The metal reinforcement behind the volume buttons is too short, that's why it always bends there and it explains why the lab tests of Apple and consumer reports (evenly distributed force) and the "hand beding tests" (force concentrated at one point/side) are so different.
If the reinforcement would be longer, it would also be harder to deform it as shown.

A poor design because in order to bend it, you have to put your thumbs right behind the volume buttons on one side, while holding it precisely in a way to generate the force profile onto the phone?

CMON. This would never happen in your pocket or under normal use, even if it were true.

I actually tried a bend test on my phone, and it was shockingly solid. I heard creaking from the screen before any bending occurred.

Also, his side profile of A & B don't make any sense at all, and aren't representative of anything I see in the teardown pics. Can anyone better explain what his point was?

How many people here actually own the iPhone 6+ and have handled it for extended amounts of time??
 
Sigh. I don't know why I bother. This post is just dribble. You're seeing and hearing things you want to see and hear. I never said that the iPhone had to be the unbendiest phone in history. I'm not on any crusade. And nothing is evaporating. Just stop this nonsense already and focus on the problem and be objective.

There's no problem. Objectively, people aren't bending their iPhones in droves. Nonsense is the only problem.
 
And sadly it seems to be "poor design" the after all, if you look at this. http://imgur.com/a/FBegH
It seems there is a "weak spot" behind the volume buttons. The metal reinforcement behind the volume buttons is too short, that's why it always bends there and it explains why the lab tests of Apple and consumer reports (evenly distributed force) and the "hand beding tests" (force concentrated at one point/side) are so different.
If the reinforcement would be longer, it would also be harder to deform it as shown.
Such an excellent piece! Which also pretty much debunks the CS effort (lol)

Case closed!
 
why would that 6 plus bend easier than the 1st 6 plus?

Because it's longer. Imagine going to the extreme and making a phone that is two meters long, that would be very easy to break. (It's also wider, but it's mostly the frame that resists breaking, so this doesn't help much). It's not much longer, so it's not _much_ easier to break.
 
I'm a massive Apple fan and wanted to believe that bend gate was just media hype, however after four days of use my plus was also bent.

No back pockets, no drops, just the same use I subjected all of my iPhones to since the 3G. I think Apple have a big problem here.

Photo of the problem here

I have a genius appointment on Monday, at which point I am expecting Apple to tell me they can't replace this phone as they are low on stock.

Oh ok. Your Twitter account has 5 tweets. 4 of them de dedicated to your "bent" phone.. The "bent" phone made you start a Twitter or the fame of it all #

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The refund window is still open, I believe.....

$10 bucks says that guy never returns his iPhone #
 
Drop it doelcm82 and everyone grow up and stop attacking people. This is getting stupid fast. Focus on the problem: the iPhone 6 Plus deforms at just 90 pounds of force, 40 pounds less than the iPhone 5 and 60 pounds less than the Note 3. That's what you should be focusing on: the shxt sandwich all of us are eating right now regarding its durability.

And the kicker is this: the pattern of the bends in the wild seems to follow somewhat along the lines that the bend is happening at a weak point: under the bottom volume button. The CR video did not put the pressure primarily there. So, if they did, the pounds of pressure may have been substantially less to deform it, which is even more alarming to think about.

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No these people are not joking xmichaelp. That's what this place has degraded into. It's insane.

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Exactly, which is what I've been saying. But even still, the amount of force to deform an iPhone 6 is almost just half of what it takes to deform an iPhone 5! This is alarming.

Absolutely not alarming.. You for some reason have chosen iphone 5s strength as the minimum strength needed ! That is totally bogus and arbitrary !
A phone needs to be as stong to function properly as a phone in hands of a SANE individual. Anything beyond is a waste !

And iphone 6/+ are strong enough for Sane individuals.. Consumer report proved that.
Yet it is the thinest , Most advanced highest quality phone on the market !

Bend gate is nothing more than disinformation sponsored by the competition ... Who is/are so clumsy as not to notice that their production has inconsistent and incoherent timestamps .. Proving it fake. (Same competition that blatantly copied everything from the original iphone.. From physical design to os and ui design ! )
And the idiot Canadian scumbag working for them telling us that he tried the same test on iphone 6 and found it better than iphone 6+... Through his very sophisticated and scientific methods( lol)...
Guess what.... iPhone 6+ turns out to be stronger than iphone 6 .... Second screwup by the scumbag competition !

The competition and its lowlife comrades are pathetic losers who can only resort to lies and disinformation to manipulate others.

Undignified Lowlives !!!!!!

And the world is finding out... So keep at it.....


Oh and another fact.. The competitions pr jumping on the bandwagon and tweeting to defame apple by mocking and advertising their phone as superior .... Were tweeting from iphones... Lol.. How idiotic can they get !

And the Canadian idiot's ego is so offended he goes to a public place to bend another phone.. Lol .. Second 800$ phone in 48 hours.. He just loves blowing his money to bend phones ... Lol ... BS!!!
Is everyone literally so naive !? Wow!
 
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iPhone 5 deformed at 130 pounds
iPhone 6 deformed at 70 pounds
iPhone 6 plus deformed at 90 pounds

well..... just be more careful :cool:
 
A simple question : why the hell would a normal consumer intentionally try the bend the their Phone ? Let a alone an $$$ iPhone.
Flaw design ; some people keep asking !?
Manufacture designs products for "normal" people with "normal " usage !
Not for idiots who try to sit on it or intentional bending it !

Really !? Get a life.

Normal usage would be putting it in your pocket (perhaps a pair of jeans) and sitting down (to drive for extended periods of time). The pressure on the phone doesn't have to be enough to break it, just enough to deform it so it never lays flat again.

If the iphone was sitting sideways in your pocket (assuming they were large enough to do so) then I can easily imagine the force would be applied at each end of the phone and not in the center, as in Apple and Consumer Report's case.
 
A poor design because in order to bend it, you have to put your thumbs right behind the volume buttons on one side, while holding it precisely in a way to generate the force profile onto the phone?

CMON. This would never happen in your pocket or under normal use, even if it were true.

I actually tried a bend test on my phone, and it was shockingly solid. I heard creaking from the screen before any bending occurred.

Also, his side profile of A & B don't make any sense at all, and aren't representative of anything I see in the teardown pics. Can anyone better explain what his point was?
How do you know that this would "never happen in your pocket or under normal use"?
Of course the iPhone will not bend in your front pocket as much as if you bend it with your hands. But if you can bend it as easily as shown with your hands if you put pressure near the volume buttons, its probably possible that the phone could also bend in your pocket under certain circumstances (jeans size, position of the phone in your pocket, time of pressure put on the "weak spot") and of course to a way lesser (=minimal) but noticable (if you put it on a table e.g.) extent...
Again, if the metal reinforcement behind the volume buttons would be longer, it would also be harder to deform it as shown. That's not "poor design"? And just to make it clear, I'm everything but an Apple "hater" (instead Apple user since more than 12 years), but I'm not blind too.
 
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I like all the September 2014 Join Dates from the haters in here.

Anyone that actually owns a 6 Plus knows it is a solid device. Honestly, there shouldn't be any problem for the life of your phone.

When did withstanding abnormal abuse from a person purposely trying to bend a phone become a requirement, or even a desired feature of a phone? If I wanted a phone that could withstand such abuse, I would have bought an old Nokia.

For reasonable users, the phone will be fine.
 
This thread is filled with people talking about "science" and "objectivity" as if there is some fact of the matter about what counts as "scientific" or "objective." These concepts--these practices (science and objectivity, respectively)--are contested and subject to constant argumentation. If you don't know that already, you need to go think about what these words mean before you use them here. Or better yet, just go find a place to be quiet and stay that way for a while.

I'm, honestly, not sure why any of this matters in the first place. Some phone made by some manufacturer bends under pressure. Who gives a good god damn? Every person in this thread has contributed to the ramblings of a hysterical mob. Nothing any of us said here will contribute to anything useful whatsoever: our posts do little more than add to a growing tumor made of blathered nonsense.

Unreal. Let's play. I'm a doctor who studied medicine. I've also got a degree in philosophy. I moved into software development of all twists and turns in life to get in touch with my artist side. I've been trained vigorously in the scientific method and on attacking the scientific method. I've wrote essays endorsing and attacking it. But the fact remains: science is the best thing going. It provides real answers to real problems. The concept of variables (independent, dependant, and extraneous) are powerful and the bedrock of objective study.

I've got an idea: take yourself out of the thread and do something else and leave people alone. That's the point here. You are just another number chiming into a forum "Get a life!". "Phandroid!" Blah blah. It's worthless to the discussion at hand and a waste of time. All you do is distract and disrupt objective inquiry. We're here because WE'RE INVESTIGATING A POTENTIAL FLAW IN A PRODUCT THAT COST SOME OF US $1200.
 
Guys as Apple fan I have to admit, Apple ****ed up this time.
Live with it, the iPhone 6 plus bend, period.
Stop defending apple, the real life test show that this phone have weak spot, all the high tech machine in the videos doesn't check this spot.
People ask why should I care, I never bend it, well it seems super weak in this spot and it will bend in this spot after regular use in a year or two.
 
Absolutely not alarming.. You for some reason have chosen iphone 5s strength as the minimum strength needed ! That is totally bogus and arbitrary !
A phone needs to be as stong to function properly as a phone in hands of a SANE individual. Anything beyond is a waste !

And iphone 6/+ are strong enough for Sane individuals.. Consumer report proved that.
Yet it is the thinest , Most advanced highest quality phone on the market !

Bend gate is nothing more than disinformation sponsored by the competition ... Who is/are so clumsy as not to notice that their production has inconsistent and incoherent timestamps .. Proving it fake. (Same competition that blatantly copied everything from the original iphone.. From physical design to os and ui design ! )
And the idiot Canadian scumbag working for them telling us that he tried the same test on iphone 6 and found it better than iphone 6+... Through his very sophisticated and scientific methods( lol)...
Guess what.... iPhone 6+ turns out to be stronger than iphone 6 .... Second screwup by the scumbag competition !

The competition and its lowlife comrades are pathetic losers who can only resort to lies and disinformation to manipulate others.

Undignified Lowlives !!!!!!

And the world is finding out... So keep at ....


Oh and another fact.. The competitions pr jumping on the bandwagon and tweeting to defame apple by mocking and advertising their phone as superior .... Were tweeting from iphones... Lol.. How idiotic can they get !

Oh my lord there is so much wrong with your thinking I won't even start...
 
Guys as Apple fan I have to admit, Apple ****ed up this time.
Live with it, the iPhone 6 plus bend, period.
Stop defending apple, the real life test show that this phone have weak spot, all the high tech machine in the videos doesn't check this spot.
People ask why should I care, I never bend it, well it seems super weak in this spot and it will bend in this spot after regular use in a year or two.

it's gonna cont.. till apple care officially covers the bendgate
 
omg. it amazes me how people in the third world kill/stab people to get their hands on an iphone. and in western countries people are breaking them for just to see what happens! if only they knew how valuable that commodity is in other parts of the world. :D

Nobody is killing/stabbing anybody in the third world for an iPhone. Source: I am living there.
 
So you mean to tell me the Plastic Galaxy Note 3 is sturdier than pretty much all of the "premium build" iPhones? I honestly wasn't expecting this at all(no sarcasm). :cool:

If you know something about plastic, yes, you had to expect that, in this kind of test.
Plastic doesn't bend. It cracks.
 
I'm focusing on the problem. The problem is that the amount of force on my iPhone 6+ when it's in my pocket is not enough to bend it (If it were, mine would be bent, and it isn't). You can't bend my phone in my pocket no matter what you post.

My iPhone is strong enough to resist bending in normal use. I don't need it to be stronger. You may, but that means nothing to me.

Why is it so important to you that the iPhone be the unbendiest phone in history? It only need to be unbendy enough to be a phone. And mine is. I can't join your crusade, because I'm not a believer in your cause, which appears to be evaporating before your eyes.

It's nice to see that some forum members are still willing to write reasoned and articulate responses on this topic!
 
That's stupid.
6+ has an obvious structural weakness near the volume buttons - that's why given certain circumstances it deforms around that point. But they're testing it in 3-point setup, applying pressure to the MIDDLE! Do you know how leverage works? This test makes only academic sense, but not a real-world-usage one.
 
No history of posting card, blah blah. Cut the crap. I do have a history of posting, but nevermind.

I'm bothering here because I spent $1200 (CAD with tax) on an unlocked iPhone 6 Plus 128 GB and I have 8 days to take it back. If this phone isn't durable I don't want to keep it. I believe more time is needed to see how these phones fair in the wild, but the idea that they may bend easy is getting supported by more and more evidence.

And here it is: you can't look at these tests as real world results. They're highly controlled. What they do show is that other phones take way more force UNDER THE TESTING CONDITIONS to deform. That is inescapable and not good.

With the iPhone 6/Plus, it may be the case that there is a very weak area under the bottom volume button. In the REAL WORLD, these phones may be prone to bending much easier than anyone would have imagined. That is the isolated variable not covered in the CR testing. Another real world issue that the CR testing didn't cover: twisting the phone. I torque/twist my phone off of its suction mount on the car mount. I just got this car mount. It's slight and I don't apply much force that I can perceive.

Anyway, there are many situations that people put their consumer electronics through (e.g., very humid weather, high altitude, freezing cold then warming, pressure on the top and bottom at the same time, etc. etc.) that these tests do not cover. They are highly controlled and not conclusive but somewhat indicative. The wild is the where design flaws can rear their ugly heads.

Your second paragraph is of little significance.

In response to your third, drill a hole in something and that will be a vulnerable point drill a couple you will increase the vulnerability. Not flaming rocket science. Applying even 70lbs of forced pressure is a lot and if you're unclear get someone to apply that exerted pressure on your wrist or elbow or your nose. You'll get the idea pretty quick that even that kind of pressure is significant and difficult to achieve through placing a phone in your front pocket and being seated taking up all the room in the available material. The pocket size, the available room left once the person wearing them will determine pressure. This would be regarded as ill fitting if this is how you achieved the bend! And you'll see the number of people in ill fitted clothes right, I mean they're ten a penny where you aren't they? Remember from the millions sold there are only 9 cases of bend reported. This is the part where you come in. You're one of so many people out there making such a fuss that you're forcibly trying to keep this out there. Why? And if you really have the phone then surely you have the know from your direct experience with the device to feel its durability. You're making a mountain out of a molehill and this all from a story of 9 bent phones. Does stink of being alarmist don't you think.

Your final paragraph is a shift. We're talking about the bend here. So how about you stay focused on the subject matter. The report is about CR testing the bend, not CR tests humidity, altitude or water resistance of a phone and comes up short. Chow. ;)
 
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