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Consumer Reports Still Not Recommending iPhone 4
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I think all the people who are praising CR are people who don't actually use it. I had a subscription for 2-3 years, but let it lapse. Why? Their reviews of consumer products were short and lacking detailed facts, they invariably didn't have the brands that I was most interested. User reviews tended to be much more detailed and useful.
CR has lost their way in the Internet age. Now, if I want to find out about a product, I read user reviews on Amazon or resellerratings.com, or some other review site. You want detailed reviews of a product, you are better off finding a magazine that is actually an expert in then field of interest.
That being said, this press event was troubling to me. I think S Jobs would have been better off just issuing a press release about this, which is what any other company would have done. He did not have enough material and facts for a hosted event like this. Or maybe he should have made a talk show appearance.
I was seriously thinking about paying big $$$ to get out of my VZW contract 3months early. But I think that this issue still has distance to go, so will hold off buying an IP4 until the end of Sept. Maybe their will be an unannounced hardware change by then.
All this debate a waste of time..
Look this is an issue that people are blowing way out of proportion with what the issue is. Even if it is an issue, it is for a very small number of people who will get sorted out if they bring back the phone. People need to get on with there lives and if they have an iPhone 4 enjoy it as it is the best piece of kit out there at the moment. everyone take it easy...
Look this is an issue that people are blowing way out of proportion with what the issue is. Even if it is an issue, it is for a very small number of people who will get sorted out if they bring back the phone. People need to get on with there lives and if they have an iPhone 4 enjoy it as it is the best piece of kit out there at the moment. everyone take it easy...
Have you used any other devices? Apple's version plain sucks compared to PPC 2003. Microsoft even made the user walk through a tutorial on cut and paste EVERY time the phone was hard reset (and that happened a lot). Microsoft's version worked just like a desktop. And you could use shortcuts like ctrl-c and ctrl-v.
Don't get me wrong, I like my iPad. But cut and paste ranks as one of the most frustrating things about it.
General masses know how well the iPhone works. 99.45% of 3 million customers will have the word of mouth circulating. and that is all apple needs.
As a person involved in high tech industry. Didn't read cr not even once. They are no differ than any other magazine , they have some labs. That's all.
They will always be remembered as apple rolls hundreds of millions of devices. And in time cr will lose it's audience and credibility for manipulating reports, which is already insignificant. Don't know one person who cares about cr. Not in my field.
As a person involved in high tech industry. Didn't read cr not even once. They are no differ than any other magazine , they have some labs. That's all.
They will always be remembered as apple rolls hundreds of millions of devices. And in time cr will lose it's audience and credibility for manipulating reports, which is already insignificant. Don't know one person who cares about cr. Not in my field.
Kinda like yourself. Registered 07 and still a newbie. You know it doesn't take that many posts to reach member status.
I know, but you see, that's logic which most fanboys don't operate in. True, Apple is offering a full refund but that's a red herring to divert attention to the real issues.
Good for them. While I like my Macs and iPod I don't believe in Apple hype, let alone would I take Apple's word over Consumer Reports.
Consumer Reports has obviously become more aggressive, that LX470 episode recently was amazing in its power; having Toyota issue a stop sell is a sign that good manufacturers respect the organization.
Consumer Reports is the ONLY testing group who does not permit manufactures to advertise their ratings, all the others sell those rights.
Consumer Reports has obviously become more aggressive, that LX470 episode recently was amazing in its power; having Toyota issue a stop sell is a sign that good manufacturers respect the organization.
Consumer Reports is the ONLY testing group who does not permit manufactures to advertise their ratings, all the others sell those rights.
The reality
If you are not happy with the iPhone return it and buy a phone
that makes you happy? The iPhone has been out for 23 days which
means anyone who has bought one can return the phone no questions asked for a full refund! Steve was specifically asked if you could cancel the AT&T contract with no penalty and the answer was yes!
If you think Apple is arrogant and reckless in their product development the beauty is you can express this with your pocket book and not by Apple products.
Its so Easy. If I was so unhappy with my iPhone I would spend my free time returning the phone and researching which new phone to buy. The bashers here remind me of Obama complaining about all the problems of the Bush administration rather than focusing on solving the problems!
I personally feel my iPhone 4 is the best phone I have ever owned! Thats not being a fanboy thats just my personal review of a product I bought.
I do support Apple because their costumer support has always been the best
this has been proven over and over http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/04/17/apple-tops-pc-customer-service-rankings/ I have had several personal experiences where Apple has stepped up to the plate. I had a laptop screen go dead 3 months after the warranty expired apple fixed it for free!. I bought the macbook Air and after two months of using it I thought it sucked(not happy with its wireless performance) after a phone call to Apple care and described my issues they offered me full refund no restocking fee and I took them up on it and got my money back. I have personally emailed Steve with issues and not only were my emails personally answered I once even got a phone call from his personal assistant who told me Steve had authorized him to make sure my problem was solved regardless of what needed to be done! I have never heard of anyone getting personal response or help fro Bill Gates? The bottom line is Apple cares immensely about their users and if you don't believe this don't buy their products!!! Its a free market place. Like every product on the market Apple products have flaws and weaknesses. The iPhone and AT&T do not provide the best phone service in most markets however I look at the whole picture. I have yet to see a better smart phone IMO than the iPhone and for me since I rarely have dropped calls the phone part is not an issue!
If you are not happy with the iPhone return it and buy a phone
that makes you happy? The iPhone has been out for 23 days which
means anyone who has bought one can return the phone no questions asked for a full refund! Steve was specifically asked if you could cancel the AT&T contract with no penalty and the answer was yes!
If you think Apple is arrogant and reckless in their product development the beauty is you can express this with your pocket book and not by Apple products.
Its so Easy. If I was so unhappy with my iPhone I would spend my free time returning the phone and researching which new phone to buy. The bashers here remind me of Obama complaining about all the problems of the Bush administration rather than focusing on solving the problems!
I personally feel my iPhone 4 is the best phone I have ever owned! Thats not being a fanboy thats just my personal review of a product I bought.
I do support Apple because their costumer support has always been the best
this has been proven over and over http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/04/17/apple-tops-pc-customer-service-rankings/ I have had several personal experiences where Apple has stepped up to the plate. I had a laptop screen go dead 3 months after the warranty expired apple fixed it for free!. I bought the macbook Air and after two months of using it I thought it sucked(not happy with its wireless performance) after a phone call to Apple care and described my issues they offered me full refund no restocking fee and I took them up on it and got my money back. I have personally emailed Steve with issues and not only were my emails personally answered I once even got a phone call from his personal assistant who told me Steve had authorized him to make sure my problem was solved regardless of what needed to be done! I have never heard of anyone getting personal response or help fro Bill Gates? The bottom line is Apple cares immensely about their users and if you don't believe this don't buy their products!!! Its a free market place. Like every product on the market Apple products have flaws and weaknesses. The iPhone and AT&T do not provide the best phone service in most markets however I look at the whole picture. I have yet to see a better smart phone IMO than the iPhone and for me since I rarely have dropped calls the phone part is not an issue!
Completely agree with CR. Wait for the iPhone 4.1 announced on Friday and available October 1st.
Speedtest results, done in front of two Apple employees right there in the store (A friend and I were asking for a free bumper before Friday, to which the employee replied "the bumper isn't the solution". So we tried it out):
2.0 Mbps D/L - cupping bumperless phone with two hands, but holding it by the glass
0.2 Mbps D/L - holding the phone naturally with Apple employee's bumper
0.02 Mbps D/L - holding the phone naturally with no bumper
The bumper is not the solution. Download speeds are still 10x slower, even though without it speeds are 100x slower.
Speedtest results, done in front of two Apple employees right there in the store (A friend and I were asking for a free bumper before Friday, to which the employee replied "the bumper isn't the solution". So we tried it out):
2.0 Mbps D/L - cupping bumperless phone with two hands, but holding it by the glass
0.2 Mbps D/L - holding the phone naturally with Apple employee's bumper
0.02 Mbps D/L - holding the phone naturally with no bumper
The bumper is not the solution. Download speeds are still 10x slower, even though without it speeds are 100x slower.
Well, even thugh the media just reported "Toyota cars killing elders and toddlers in fiery car crashes", they still made haste on reporting the supposed cause which was the pedals who were manufactured by someone else.
In this case it's merely Apple's engineering that can be squarely to blame. Well...I use blame loosely (I don't experience any dropped calls).
Couple that with the fact that cell manufacturers all across the globe wanted to see the smug game changing new comer known as Apple fall flat on their face, and this was a most excellent time to do it. I'm fairly certain that once the issue hit news media, CEOs, product managers, competing cell phone companies, anti-apple people, gizmodo, and advertising departments (who would be making adverts touting this weakness) all pulled a collective awesome face (imaged below for those who don't know). I'd wager it was in slow motion, too.
On whos phone? Certainly not on mine! The real issue is that everyone would be bitching to Apple, and the return rates would be much higher but they are not. Point is, there is no issue here. The hundreds complaining verses the millions, just have a louder voice.
to say that consumer reports "touched off a firestorm" is, as Steve would say a "crock" and "total ********". consumer reports doesn't have the credibility to "touch off" anything other than a spirited debate at the ladies' knitting club in the trailer park. no one reads the rag. Apple was goind to make a public statement anyway - to give CR credit is ludicrous.
Hope Consumer Reports is kinder to the DroidX then Gizmodo
Not a pretty review. Gizmodo likes it in a train wreck kind of way.
All those wanting to throw Apple under the bus for a minor antenna issue should get some perspective of what real issues cell phones can have.
Makes you wonder if Motorola does any testing of the software before they release a phone.
Not a pretty review. Gizmodo likes it in a train wreck kind of way.
All those wanting to throw Apple under the bus for a minor antenna issue should get some perspective of what real issues cell phones can have.
Makes you wonder if Motorola does any testing of the software before they release a phone.
Of course it isn't at all arrogant to assume that every single person in the world who has bought an iPhone 4 lives in America and has got their phone with AT&T.
Of course it isn't at all arrogant to assume that every single person in the world who has bought an iPhone 4 lives in America and has got their phone with AT&T.
Tough luck for those that want to return your iPhone4 and are not lucky enough to be a resident of the greatest country on the earth.
We have better oil leaks, bigger liars in political offices and spend more money we don't have then anyone else on the planet.
We can also lay waste to any country we don't like, so get off the soap box already
Of course it isn't at all arrogant to assume that every single person in the world who has bought an iPhone 4 lives in America and has got their phone with AT&T.
Or even worse, Ignorant to think that everyone that owns an iPhone 4 is having reception issues! Goes both way but in this case it really is a non issue.
Of course it isn't at all arrogant to assume that every single person in the world who has bought an iPhone 4 lives in America and has got their phone with AT&T.
See the tree through the forest!
It isn't a non-issue.
All the fanboys keep quoting "return it and get a refund" but as it stands you can't do that in the UK if you bought it more than 14 days ago.
Fanboy And Bashers
Fanboys don't feel bad
Do you remember the bully in 3rd grade that made fun of everyone
pointing out their flaws hiding their own insecurities?
Thats what most of the iphone bashers are about!.. They feel left out
they are not cool being window horrors anymore. Chicks dig Apple fanboys its a fact!!! Don't believe me this clip so represents the two voices behind most of these threads the apple supporters and the apple bashers!
In this clip who do you thing is going home tonight to love and who is going home to be by themselves. Isn't this what the real issue is? If I buy a product and think it sucks I just return it I don't spend time bashing it life is to short
http://techcrunch.com/2010/07/16/a-...ntennagate-followed-by-a-fanboy-intervention/
Fanboys don't feel bad
Do you remember the bully in 3rd grade that made fun of everyone
pointing out their flaws hiding their own insecurities?
Thats what most of the iphone bashers are about!.. They feel left out
they are not cool being window horrors anymore. Chicks dig Apple fanboys its a fact!!! Don't believe me this clip so represents the two voices behind most of these threads the apple supporters and the apple bashers!
In this clip who do you thing is going home tonight to love and who is going home to be by themselves. Isn't this what the real issue is? If I buy a product and think it sucks I just return it I don't spend time bashing it life is to short
http://techcrunch.com/2010/07/16/a-...ntennagate-followed-by-a-fanboy-intervention/
Your lose if you didn't return it before 14 days when you decided you didn't like it.