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Consumer Reports Still Not Recommending iPhone 4
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People were waiting for Apple to fix it.
It will probably surprise you that most of them want to keep their iPhones but would prefer it if it worked properly.
Follow the money...
Somewhere in this Keystone Cops Cluster Jerk of a thread it may have already been mentioned but it needs to be repeated.
We'll just have to wait and see how much influence Consumer Reports has or doesn't have with it's non-recommendation of the iPhone 4. Wait till the hard sales numbers come out in a few months. Then and only then will we have the answer to two basic questions. Does CS have the ability to kill a product with a flick of the pen? Did Steve work his magic once again?
Me and the rest of you all have our personal biases on this matter. We all want to think our bias is the correct one. Nothing matters, however, except the reaction of the buying public to this. All the fanyboy/fandroid/hater FUD in the world won't change a darn thing.
"And that's the bottom line because Stone Cold says so."
Somewhere in this Keystone Cops Cluster Jerk of a thread it may have already been mentioned but it needs to be repeated.
We'll just have to wait and see how much influence Consumer Reports has or doesn't have with it's non-recommendation of the iPhone 4. Wait till the hard sales numbers come out in a few months. Then and only then will we have the answer to two basic questions. Does CS have the ability to kill a product with a flick of the pen? Did Steve work his magic once again?
Me and the rest of you all have our personal biases on this matter. We all want to think our bias is the correct one. Nothing matters, however, except the reaction of the buying public to this. All the fanyboy/fandroid/hater FUD in the world won't change a darn thing.
"And that's the bottom line because Stone Cold says so."
A question: Have they tested the nokia n97, the BB 9700 or the N1?
I dare them to recommend ANY of the above phones and say blatant lies that they are better in reception than the iphone.
absolutely correct.
Apple Execs said it is a BEHAVIOR, not a flaw.
Any antenna attenuate when covered. Get over it.
iphone 4's antenna attenuates more because it is external, but it has a better SNR for the same reason.
Basically it behaves the same way other smartphones do.
Much ado about nothing.
I'd say grow up and start using your brain! This level of generalisation is just so unintelligent that even chickens wouldn't find that amusing. Or what else do you mean by "chicks", you boy who obviously know how to speak the language of the ladies?
Neither is not bothering to read
1) AT&T charges a 10% restock fee on all products, i.e., there has never been a full refund possible for AT&T customers, only 90% at best.
2)- the service activation date for existing customers is when you accept the new contract, i.e., the date you took the upgrade on line. Again, dial 611 on your AT&T phone and find out when your 30 days is up - every single person who has saying it was 'lying', 'BS', who is honest has come back and said their no penalty return date was 30 days after the ordered on line.
Your presumptive apology is preemptively accepted.
EDIT: Actually I would be curious to hear from an existing AT&T customer who ordered through to find out when their return date is. Call 611 and find out when your return without penalty date is. was just interfacing with the AT&T database (part of the whole ordering problem on the first day) and it wouldn't be surprising to find out that those that ordered from are now past their 'return without ETF' charges too.
How relevant are they anyway?
It's not as if anyone really takes them seriously on anything other than lawnmowers and washing machines.
It's not as if anyone really takes them seriously on anything other than lawnmowers and washing machines.
This probably wouldn't have been that big of a deal if Jobs hadn't strutted around on stage during the Iphone 4 unveiling saying that it was a "revolutionary" antenna design, then at the press conferance says "all smartphones have this problem". Seems hyopcritical to me, and according to the "hard data" the phone still drops more calls than the 3Gs.
I for one do read CR along with other reviews from other sites before making a large purchase and while I don't always buy what they rate the highest they usually point you in the direction to making an informed decision. I am though somewhat confused on why they initially rated the phone so high and then for some reason retested the phone again and now can't recommend it. You would think they would have discovered this issue in their initial evaluation.
I was one of the few that returned the Iphone 4 due to dropped calls and slow data speeds (back to using my trusty 3G). I simply couldn't justify dropping $300 on a device that doesn't deliver IMO (to the Apple store's credit they promptly returned the phone and gave me a refund).
The bottom line is if people are happy with the product and knowing what they know now about the device still can justify their purchase then all the power to them. It's their money let them do what they want with it. I still do like Apple products but from now on will be a little more restrained on purchasing their stuff before doing the research first.
I for one do read CR along with other reviews from other sites before making a large purchase and while I don't always buy what they rate the highest they usually point you in the direction to making an informed decision. I am though somewhat confused on why they initially rated the phone so high and then for some reason retested the phone again and now can't recommend it. You would think they would have discovered this issue in their initial evaluation.
I was one of the few that returned the Iphone 4 due to dropped calls and slow data speeds (back to using my trusty 3G). I simply couldn't justify dropping $300 on a device that doesn't deliver IMO (to the Apple store's credit they promptly returned the phone and gave me a refund).
The bottom line is if people are happy with the product and knowing what they know now about the device still can justify their purchase then all the power to them. It's their money let them do what they want with it. I still do like Apple products but from now on will be a little more restrained on purchasing their stuff before doing the research first.
Wow. This seems to be the fanboy sound-off thread against common sense and reasonable complaints about something that is obviously a defect in the iPhone4 and which some of us are GLAD to know about BEFORE we buy a phone that will drop calls unless I hold the phone upside down of with my other hand. Too bad if my fingers start to cramp from keeping them spread around that antenna (maybe Apple should mark the spot on the outside so people know not to touch it there lest their callers drop). Apparently, if you're not drinking Apple Super Kool-Aid, your publication is worthless or only read by old people according to the usual fanatics.
Apple seems to want to be a company that makes tech stuff for non-tech people, but I'll never understand what garners this groupie-like hysteria and unreasonable loyalty beyond all logical bounds. Yes, iPhone was a ground-breaking cool super phone and the same for the iPod touch as a hand-held tech device, but time moves on and Apple isn't the only player out there. If they cannot manage to make a phone that doesn't drop calls just by holding it naturally, all that coolness doesn't do you much good.
Apple seems to want to be a company that makes tech stuff for non-tech people, but I'll never understand what garners this groupie-like hysteria and unreasonable loyalty beyond all logical bounds. Yes, iPhone was a ground-breaking cool super phone and the same for the iPod touch as a hand-held tech device, but time moves on and Apple isn't the only player out there. If they cannot manage to make a phone that doesn't drop calls just by holding it naturally, all that coolness doesn't do you much good.
As far as you're concerned, posting a picture is not necessary
Another user who has his head up Steves ass. Its stupid people like you who accept these flaws and say its ok hes giving a free case and quotes some figures which makes Apple less bothered about providing an actual fix.
iPhone 4 antenna problem
I thought it odd that Apple were pushing the bumper collar to go around the iPhone 4 before they even had the iPhone 4 on the market; as soon as there was reference to signal drop to my mind the answer was obvious - Apple must have known in advance there was a problem and this was a way to relieve it. After all if you are going to have a metal antenna around the outside and it will be held in the palm of a moist hand there is almost bound to be a potential problem.
I did buy the bumper sleeve and I have my iPhone 4, yes the signal drops if I don't put the sleeve on but also drops with it on but not as much!
Would I change the phone? No chance!
I have had many PDA's over the years, the iPhone is the best such I have ever had, and I would recommend it to anyone whatever Consumer Reports may say. Perhaps though Apple should have been a little more open about the problem in the first place as I think they must have known of it before releasing it. It is though a great device and this is a minor issue which some just love winding up!
I thought it odd that Apple were pushing the bumper collar to go around the iPhone 4 before they even had the iPhone 4 on the market; as soon as there was reference to signal drop to my mind the answer was obvious - Apple must have known in advance there was a problem and this was a way to relieve it. After all if you are going to have a metal antenna around the outside and it will be held in the palm of a moist hand there is almost bound to be a potential problem.
I did buy the bumper sleeve and I have my iPhone 4, yes the signal drops if I don't put the sleeve on but also drops with it on but not as much!
Would I change the phone? No chance!
I have had many PDA's over the years, the iPhone is the best such I have ever had, and I would recommend it to anyone whatever Consumer Reports may say. Perhaps though Apple should have been a little more open about the problem in the first place as I think they must have known of it before releasing it. It is though a great device and this is a minor issue which some just love winding up!
My back is not supple enough to get my head where you suggest it has been! The signal drop is minor so far as I am concerned, I have had and still have other phones and different makes and get greater signal drops from those than with the iPhone 4. Compared to the iPhone 3G and 3GS the 4 is picking up a signal where the other two do not no matter what hand I hold it in - and I have tried them at the same time in the same location.
Too cool to read CR
iPhone users are too cool to read CR . If something wouldn't be reviewed by cnet, I won't be interested in buying it
iPhone users are too cool to read CR . If something wouldn't be reviewed by cnet, I won't be interested in buying it
I don't know what you have up your butt, but it seems quite strong. On each of your posts I've read you've been insulting people. Way to make your points look reasonable.
Keep up the good work!
Way to go Consumer Reports!
I've subscribed to them for years and always rely on their recommendations, particularly when car shopping.
I'm glad they're sticking to their guns about it. Apple admitted their phone drops more calls than 3GS, and the bumper expiration date of 9/30 is total BS.
What happens on 9/30? Rev B iPhone with a revised antenna design?
I'm glad I returned mine!
I've subscribed to them for years and always rely on their recommendations, particularly when car shopping.
I'm glad they're sticking to their guns about it. Apple admitted their phone drops more calls than 3GS, and the bumper expiration date of 9/30 is total BS.
What happens on 9/30? Rev B iPhone with a revised antenna design?
I'm glad I returned mine!
Wow. This seems to be the fanboy sound-off thread against common sense and reasonable complaints about something that is obviously a defect in the iPhone4 and which some of us are GLAD to know about BEFORE we buy a phone that will drop calls unless I hold the phone upside down of with my other hand. Too bad if my fingers start to cramp from keeping them spread around that antenna (maybe Apple should mark the spot on the outside so people know not to touch it there lest their callers drop). Apparently, if you're not drinking Apple Super Kool-Aid, your publication is worthless or only read by old people according to the usual fanatics.
Apple seems to want to be a company that makes tech stuff for non-tech people, but I'll never understand what garners this groupie-like hysteria and unreasonable loyalty beyond all logical bounds. Yes, iPhone was a ground-breaking cool super phone and the same for the iPod touch as a hand-held tech device, but time moves on and Apple isn't the only player out there. If they cannot manage to make a phone that doesn't drop calls just by holding it naturally, all that coolness doesn't do you much good.
Yawn...