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Core 2 Duo MacBooks Announced

Delaying HE orders?

kinster said:
I go the same delivery schedule, and also via HE link. Wish they hurry up, asia side are getting them quicker.
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I'm even slower than you folks. Mine's a CTO, but it's disappointing that when I was going through the checkout, adding my extra RAM showed the shipping estimate going from 1-3 days to 2-4 days. But when I check my order status now, this is what I see:

MB 13/2.0 CTO: WHITE

Custom configuration
2.0GHz Intel Core 2 Duo
2GB 667 DDR2 SDRAM-2x1GB
80GB Serial ATA @ 5400 rpm
Superdrive 6x
No Modem
No Optional Software
Apple Mini-DVI to DVI Adapter
Keyboard/Mac OS
Country Kit
Image
Gift message

Ships by: Nov 13 - Nov 15
Delivers by: Nov 24 - Dec 4

Nov 24 seems like a long ways away. BTW, I'm on the east coast of Canada (east of Toronto AND Montreal). When I see that others already have theirs shipped, it makes me a little miffed. Contrary to what others here have said, maybe it does make a difference if you pay for the quicker shipping if you order from the HE store.
 
andiwm2003 said:
while robson sounds great what happens if your application freezes/crashes? your data are not on the hd so do you lose the data?
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flash ram isn't volatile.

boot time and sleep mode is already satisfactory right now.
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functionally, i'd agree. from an environmental point of view though, energy is still being consumed. potentially robson could prevent this.

as always, however, if you need a machine now buy one. this revision seems to be a good one.


Edit: you forgot full 64bit support too. Napa doesn't support 64bit, Santa Rosa does.
 
emotion said:
Edit: you forgot full 64bit support too. Napa doesn't support 64bit, Santa Rosa does.
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Do you mean by this that 64bit applications still won't run fully on 64bit mode with the new MacBook with Napa chipset? For example the 64bit Quicktime from Leopard.

Or do you mean the ammount of RAM the chipset can take?
 
darh said:
Do you mean by this that 64bit applications still won't run fully on 64bit mode with the new MacBook with Napa chipset? For example the 64bit Quicktime from Leopard.

Or do you mean the ammount of RAM the chipset can take?
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Both. Well actually, the CPU is capable of 64 bit operations but the buses in and out of the CPU are 32 bit. I could do with studying this more, so I'm sure someone who knows more about this will chip in now.
 
jbizzle said:
I bought my Macbook at the Apple store on Saturday night. I found out Wednesday about the core 2. I took it back to the store... left with a better machine and a 3 year guarantee. I can tell you first hand, this machine is faster, quieter and runs much cooler than my first Macbook.
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A VERY helpful post! This is what some of us have been waiting to see on this forum. If anyone is actually able to compare the two revs side by side, please let us know your observations.
 
1. Napa (Intel 945) with Merom is a 64-bit computing system. Napa still is limited to 32-bit memory addressing though. (4 GB limit)
2. Video memory just like system RAM and virtual memory need to be addressed as well. This is why Apple isn't giving you a full 4 GB of RAM. You'll run out of addressing space and be unable to use the RAM.
3. Santa Rosa (Intel 965 derived) will support greater then 4 GB for the mobile platform.
4. The front side bus increase will provide little performance improvement. (Conroe benchmarks at 1333 MHz show 2-6% at most.)

Multimedia said:
Thanks for those shots. They look nothing like the new MBP Vents. I don't really know what the Rev A MB Vents look like. Can anyone say these are different or not?
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They look the same to me. I'll try to get some Core Duo MacBook pictures today.
 
ironring2006 said:
I'm even slower than you folks. Mine's a CTO, but it's disappointing that when I was going through the checkout, adding my extra RAM showed the shipping estimate going from 1-3 days to 2-4 days. But when I check my order status now, this is what I see:

MB 13/2.0 CTO: WHITE

Custom configuration
2.0GHz Intel Core 2 Duo
2GB 667 DDR2 SDRAM-2x1GB
80GB Serial ATA @ 5400 rpm
Superdrive 6x
No Modem
No Optional Software
Apple Mini-DVI to DVI Adapter
Keyboard/Mac OS
Country Kit
Image
Gift message

Ships by: Nov 13 - Nov 15
Delivers by: Nov 24 - Dec 4

Nov 24 seems like a long ways away. BTW, I'm on the east coast of Canada (east of Toronto AND Montreal). When I see that others already have theirs shipped, it makes me a little miffed. Contrary to what others here have said, maybe it does make a difference if you pay for the quicker shipping if you order from the HE store.
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Unfortunately when I ordered my macbook, there was only the one shipping option, I would have happily paid extra to have it a few days earlier, but unfortunately there wasnt the option. Is this the same for everyone ordering from the UK HE store?

Its just a shame you cant get HE discount in the apple stores, otherwise a day trip to london would have been very tempting to go pick one up today!!!
 
Croatian said:
I keep reading posts by a lot of people on here ... saying oh Santa Rosa is coming out next year, C2D would be absolute by then ... i don't know where do you guys get your info from

C2D = Merom
C2D = Santa Rosa (the chip will have the same name as today just with few addtions)

Diff between Merom and Santa Rosa

Santa Rosa has frontside bus speed to 800MHz while Merom has frontside bus speed to 667MHz

Santa Rosa will incorporate Express 945GM and 945PM mobile chipsets witch will support Direct X 10.0

Santa Rosa will have new WLAN Chip that will include WiMAX and 802.11n

So to sum it all up ..... Santa Rosa Chips released next year will be called Core 2 Duo Chips like they are called today but will have few additions mentioned above.

So the question really is .. how many of us really care about most of those features or even understand how they work ... so i think MacBook will not see Santa Rosa till Late Q2 or Q3 .... because there is no need for Apple to go with Santa Rosa when MacBook is just a low end laptop line from apple and most people using it don't even know what frontside bus is yet alone what it will do for you.
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Why is it that Intel releases a new processor like every 20 minutes?? They should focus more on breaking the 3.0GHz barrier and less on how many cores they can fit on one chip. Don't get me wrong, I love my Core 2 Duo processor but why do they need like 50 versions of it??


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15" MacBook Pro, 2.33GHz Core 2 Duo, 2GB DDR2 SDRAM, 200GB HD, Glossy Screen
 
ironring2006 said:
I'm even slower than you folks. Mine's a CTO, but it's disappointing that when I was going through the checkout, adding my extra RAM showed the shipping estimate going from 1-3 days to 2-4 days. But when I check my order status now, this is what I see:

MB 13/2.0 CTO: WHITE

Custom configuration
2.0GHz Intel Core 2 Duo
2GB 667 DDR2 SDRAM-2x1GB
80GB Serial ATA @ 5400 rpm
Superdrive 6x
No Modem
No Optional Software
Apple Mini-DVI to DVI Adapter
Keyboard/Mac OS
Country Kit
Image
Gift message

Ships by: Nov 13 - Nov 15
Delivers by: Nov 24 - Dec 4

Nov 24 seems like a long ways away. BTW, I'm on the east coast of Canada (east of Toronto AND Montreal). When I see that others already have theirs shipped, it makes me a little miffed. Contrary to what others here have said, maybe it does make a difference if you pay for the quicker shipping if you order from the HE store.
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When I ordered my CTO macbook (CD) the shipping date went up to 5-7 days? And it even longer to get here (closer to 3 weeks). I'm east of Toronto AND Montreal AND Fredericton!
 
Detektiv-Pinky said:
Hi Multimedia, you should really do some background reading on current processor architectures. First you go about telling people that 4MB Cache in the 2.0 model is making all the difference in the world for performance and than you dismiss the importance of the frontside bus (FSB) speed increase as nothing.

I think in reality the performance increase in the FSB outweights the larger cache size by far. The FSB is THE bottleneck in the Intel architecture. (Why is AMD able to have similar performance levels with radically smaller cache sizes? - They have the memory controller integrated in the processor doing away with an FSB altogheter)

In the the long run Intel will be forced to do something similar but right now Santa Rosa will release the true potential of Merom. Overall system performance is not increased by a very fast processor that is starving for data from RAM. So I see the current configuration as nothing but another stop gap...
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Thank you.. I'm glad I'm not the only one who realized that he was doing that. :) Just seemed a bit odd to me he was pushing the higher cache as the best feature of the upgrade, but then really dismisses the benefits of the FSB in whatever the next revision is.
 
Nuks said:
When I ordered my CTO macbook (CD) the shipping date went up to 5-7 days? And it even longer to get here (closer to 3 weeks). I'm east of Toronto AND Montreal AND Fredericton!
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Well, if you live in either Cape Breton or Newfoundland, you truly, truly have my deepest sympathy ;)
 
ironring2006 said:
Hey folks, my first MR post here, thought I would make it a good one. Just ordered my first Mac, the 2GHz C2D MB (White). Upgraded the RAM to 2GB.
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I ordered the same MB last night. I've been watching and waiting through the first round of MBPs and MBs, then was real tempted by the MBP C2D, but decided that the smaller size, lower price, and longer battery life were more important to me.

I toyed with getting black, but decided it wasn't worth it. Black is cool, but fingerprints are not. I'd also prefer a glossy black case instead of the matte. Getting the extra 40GB of hard drive space...also not worth $150.

This is my first new Mac since 1995 (PowerMac 6100/66), so I'm excited.
 
apple is fast

I ordered (yesterday nov 8) a 2ghz white macbook with upgraded 2gb ram and a 120gb hd. After ordering it, apple said it would be shipped between nov 13-15 and delivered between nov 15-20 (which is fine, I customized it). Late last night I got an email saying that it was shipped and this morning it is already on its way through California with an estimated delivery date of nov 10. Holy crap that is fast.

Although now I'm worried that I'm going to get a standard configuration by mistake.
 
PODshady said:
Why is it that Intel releases a new processor like every 20 minutes?? They should focus more on breaking the 3.0GHz barrier and less on how many cores they can fit on one chip. Don't get me wrong, I love my Core 2 Duo processor but why do they need like 50 versions of it??
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20 minutes is right, I feel Intel was fast on the trigger this year. However, I don't know where you've been. 3.0GHz is not the way to go since that goes against Intel/Apple's goal of less power consumption and less heat created from the processors. The more cores, the more tasks it can do. If you like those big numbers, go to the soon-to-be released Mac Pros.

PS: If you wanna make a signature, go to the User Control Panel (CP) and make one instead of wasting your time plugging it in after every post manually.
 
Multimedia said:
I just don't think the FSB is the bottleneck that others do.
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What the caches in the CPU do is to hide how slow "normal" memory is compared to the on-chip one. If the C2D does benefits from a bigger cache it will also benefit from more bandwidth on the FSB.

BTW: Don't forget that in the MB the GPU (yes, it has a GPU, it just doesn't have dedicated memory) will compete with the CPU for bandwidth. So for integrated graphics more bandwidth is always a good thing.
 
fraggle said:
What the caches in the CPU do is to hide how slow "normal" memory is compared to the on-chip one. If the C2D does benefits from a bigger cache it will also benefit from more bandwidth on the FSB.

BTW: Don't forget that in the MB the GPU (yes, it has a GPU, it just doesn't have dedicated memory) will compete with the CPU for bandwidth. So for integrated graphics more bandwidth is always a good thing.
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I have to agree that the FSB will improve the integrated video performance some what. I hope that Intel can push the X3000 onto its mobility platform. The GMA 3000 is rather lacking and isn't much more then an overclocked GMA 950. Expect the mobile version to clock in at 400 MHz to conserve power.
 
jholzner said:
Leopard will be 64 bit so it could matter next spring.
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Tiger is already 64 bits if you use a G5. But ALL core MacOS X functionality is still compatible with x86 and G4 users.

The x86 line transitioned from 16-bit to 32-bit starting with the 80386, in 1986.

Most consumer software didn't go exclusively 32-bit until Windows 95 came out, almost ten years later. And even then, 16-bit equivalents of many core products continued to be available for Windows 3.1 users for quite some time.

(In 1998 Internet Explorer 4 was released. There was a 16-bit version of released for Windows 3.1.)
 
ironring2006 said:
Well, if you live in either Cape Breton or Newfoundland, you truly, truly have my deepest sympathy ;)
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Haha, yeah, I'm in St. John's.


There's more than one way to take your comment! If you mean you think Cape Breton and Newfoundland are bad places, I disagree. I can't vouch for Cape Breton (I drove through it once), but St. John's is a great city, imho.

If you meant that shipping would take a long time, you're right!

I'm going to say you meant the latter, but the wink makes me think otherwise..
 
Draft N airport ?

Does anyone know if the new macbook as the draft N airport card built in ?

Just wondering before placing my order :D
 
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