No. Bus size (width) is the same, it does not depend on the size of the registers.
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No. Bus size (width) is the same, it does not depend on the size of the registers.
Does anyone know if the new macbook as the draft N airport card built in ?
Just wondering before placing my order
I dont think anyone knows yet, but I would expect that it does, The macbook pro's have them and I think apple probably just purchases the wireless cards by the millions and uses the same cards in all of its systems. So it will probably be the same card in my opinion. Also if apple plans to later switch on the "N" capability through a firmware update for use with the iTV perhaps, then they will want these new macbooks to have the capability.
But there is ALWAYS something better down the road. And with the Intel roadmap, we'll be seeing small bumps every 5 months or so.
And frankly, I'm not sure I want to but a Rev A with a new chipset, board arch., memory config, etc. I'd rather wait for the rev B. Plus, it could easily be June before we see that in a MB. MBP will be first.
To all those waiting: If you need a new laptop now, BUY ONE. Both the MBP and the MB have just been updated. You have a likely 5-6 month wait for the next revision. How much computing will you be doing in the next 5-6 months?...
Sorry, but Napa has a 128-bit path to memory. "Dual channel" memory means "dual 64-bit memory channels".
Each line in the above diagram to the SO-DIMM is a 64-bit channel.
Intel has been using 64-bit and 128-bit (and even wider for servers) for quite a few years - even the original Pentium had a 64-bit memory bus.
The 945 has a 32-bit address pathway to physical memory, but 128-bit data pathways.
Thank you....
...and Thank you. Very well put. I'm anxious for the Santa Rosa chipset to be released.
All that is well and good, but.... Implementing all that is likely 6 months away. If you can wait that long, you probably don't need a new computer anyway.
Better to but now if you need something, and then upgrade in 2 years to a mature Saint Santa Rosa system.
All hail Saint Santa Rosa!!!
I stand corrected. I did say in my above posts I should know more about this stuff and may need correcting
. It's the address pathways I was on about.Edit: Further to that thought, AidenShaw, that just means that the only thing missing for 64 bit support is for memory spaces over 4GB? Do you know if there is any other shortcoming on the 64bit front by using the 945 chipset? (From my reading I'd say not). Curious minds etc
...You're comparing oranges to bananas. Santa Rosa is NOT a chip, it is a platform specification. It is the 4th generation Centrino specification (Centrino Duo II or whatever it ends up being called)... Centrino is a group of standards that a system must adhere to in order to qualify for the Intel Centrino marketing label. Apple has not signed on as a Santa Rosa partner and they probably won't -- because they probably don't want that Intel Centrino badge stuck to their systems.
The key component to the Santa Rosa specification is the i965PM mobile chipset. This chipset further expands memory and I/O abilities beyond the current i945 mobile chipset. Giving the ability to (among other things) install and use 4GB or more in a system, which current 945 based systems (iMac, Macbook, Mini, Macbook Pro and countless PCs) can not do. It will also support up to 800MHz DDR2 memory.
Late next spring to early summer, Intel will be updating their production process and Merom will gain a few faster clock speed options as well as 800MHz FSB ability.
Santa Rosa compliant systems will be able to make use of the new 800MHz CPUs and RAM, but are not required to. Intel has confirmed that 802.11n will be a requirement for the new Centrino label, but most other rumored components (NAND cache, WiMax, etc..) have not been confirmed. Most likely Intel and its partners will finalize the Santa Rosa spec and start the new Centrino marketing campaign in late spring based on what tech is actually shipping and available.
wow, so much for the "Tuesday releases" theory on new hardware
Actually the release yesterday made perfect sense. It's 2 weeks since the release of the C2D MBP and 4 weeks since the release of the Product(RED) iPod. Apple likes to space new products 2+ weeks apart. Tuesday didn't work due to it being election day in the US. And on holiday or other event weeks where monday/tuesday are taken by a major occurance, Apple usually does push to wednesday. This is the 4th wednesday product intro we've had this year (IIRC).
My pick for 8-core Mac Pro is 11/21 and we will probably see a bump to C2D for the mini the same day. XServe intel should start shipping with the choice of 4 or 8 cores then too. But that might be too much for Apple to do in one day...
I don't expect any new iPod until MWSF and then we'll probably see the trouchscreen model along with the iTV intro.
V Cool.
What wireless card is in it (Pre-N?)? If the black one what harddrive has it shipped with?
I think you're probably right but I'd like to see a new iPod (6g/video) before xmas. We'll see.
V Cool.
What wireless card is in it (Pre-N?)? If the black one what harddrive has it shipped with?
I got the 2.0 white one, dont know how to check what wireless card
I suspect some fiddling with Bootcamp which is a little beyond the pail to answer my question
Anyone know of an easy way?
I think system profiler will only report that it's an "Airport Extreme" card.
very good upgrade
I own a black MacBook (rev. A), and considering all the upgrades:
1 GB of RAM
40 GB of additional harddisk space
better processors
and hopefully no problems similar to the rev. A
for the same price....you can't beat this!
I'm jealous!
Cinch
I own a black MacBook (rev. A), and considering all the upgrades:
1 GB of RAM
40 GB of additional harddisk space
better processors
and hopefully no problems similar to the rev. A
for the same price....you can't beat this!
I'm jealous!
Cinch
I suspect some fiddling with Bootcamp which is a little beyond the pail to answer my question
Anyone know of an easy way?
I think system profiler will only report that it's an "Airport Extreme" card.
try opening the RAM bays and using a flashlight...a possibility
or wait for one of those websites that post pictures of the inside
x86 chips have had 64-bit pathways to memory since the original Pentium. No joke.
Yea I'm getting frustrated that nobody who got a C2D MB has pics that they're willing to post and that none of those iFixit people got their hands on a MB C2D yet to break open cuz I know the Apple Stores got 'em already.
Can I get a CTO machine for 10% off on Black Friday? I'd be really tempted if that were the case...
I know. See my subsequent posts.
Edit: if you can answer my question posed to AidenShaw above I'll doff my hat to you
the edu discount is about 10%...well, a little less than that...but its pretty much on par with what apple will offer you on BF (unless they do some 15 + % off but i dont see that happening)... im heading to apple store now... and hopefully coming home with my new c2d 2.0 white mb
I agree with this sentiment. Actually, unless you want rev a. santa rosa (I sure as hell don't!), than the wait will really be more like a year for rev. b santa rosa... So I say buy now, unless you can wait a year.
That'd be great and all if I were a student, but I'm not. Question still stands, does Apple allow 10% off CTO orders on black friday or is it only on in stock retail store purchases?
Thanks!
Mandoman
No idea yet. Just be ready on Black Friday if they do so... it's only 2 weeks away...
They've only done one year of Black Friday that I am aware of, and they sure won't annouce it in advance...
Robson Technology Will Make A Big Difference I Overlooked That Aspect Of Santa Rosa
If you need a new mobile Mac, this one is fine. If you don't and have no problem waiting another 6+ months, do that. I would like to have access to 4GB inside. So that's why I may wait.
Is Robson Technology going to be inexpensive enough for Apple to be able to put it in MacBooks? Or will it likely be only put in MacBook Pros?
If the latter is yes and the former no, then I don't see much difference likely in the next MacBook revision.
I have corrected my mistake about "ZERO" difference with an 800MHz FSB. Theoretically it could be 20% faster. But I doubt that will hold up in the real world.
Robson Technology Will Make A Big Difference • I Overlooked That Aspect Of Santa Rosa. Somebody was insulting me and then telling me to tell everyone to wait for Santa Rosa in a very sarcastic and cynical tone so I tried to trivialize the reasons to do that.
If you need a new mobile Mac, this one is fine. If you don't and have no problem waiting another 6+ months, do that. I would like to have access to 4GB inside. So that's why I may wait.
Is Robson Technology going to be inexpensive enough for Apple to be able to put it in MacBooks? Or will it likely be only put in MacBook Pros?
If the latter is yes and the former no, then I don't see much difference likely in the next MacBook revision.
I have corrected my mistake about "ZERO" difference with an 800MHz FSB. Theoretically it could be 20% faster. But I doubt that will hold up in the real world.
This was my original thought before I got clobbered and chickened out on standing my ground. Thank you.