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Core 2 Duo MacBooks Announced

For delivery dates, have Apple ever delivered earlier than expected? As mine says 22-23rd delivery dates (shipping 13th)?
 
In Australia: Just ordered MB - BLK this morning and already have shipping confirmation this afternnon for item to arrive tomorrow (Fri) otherwise Monday I suppose.

Looks like the MB was picked up by courier from the customs office. Ordering default setup obviously quickest.
 
Multimedia said:
I just don't think the FSB is the bottleneck that others do. You might be right. It's completely speculative on my part and I apologize if I'm all wrong. My point was really more about that there is no real need to wait for Santa Rosa as it won't be much faster than this rev is.

Personally, I will either buy one of these new mobiles soon because I need one or I will wait for Santa Rosa so I can populate it with 4GB of RAM.I love it when I make a mistake. Gives everyone here a chance to pile on me. I'm not going to argue with any of those sources. I may be wrong. I don't imagine much difference between a 667MHz and 800MHz FSB. 20% faster. Is that really going to matter in the overall speed? Doesn't seem like it to me. But I may be all wet. Sorry for the "ZERO" exageration.
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Citing Wikipedia here: In computers, the front side bus (FSB) or system bus is a term for the physical bi-directional data bus that carries all electronic signal information between the central processing unit (CPU) and other devices within the system such as random access memory (RAM), AGP video cards, PCI expansion cards, hard disks, the memory containing the system BIOS, etc.

You bet that it makes a difference if this thing runs 20% faster ;)
 
Multimedia said:
So are you saying the display won't work at all without two identical sticks in the RAM slots?
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actually, i was saying that i dont know what effect mismatching the ram has on the displays...
what i was doing was clearifying for someone earlier how the MBP use the same ram, but do not need to be paired. i wanted to clearify for them that it wasnt the ram itself that forced the pairing, but the integrated graphics chip set
 
bleekstar said:
In Australia: Just ordered MB - BLK this morning and already have shipping confirmation this afternnon for item to arrive tomorrow (Fri) otherwise Monday I suppose.

Looks like the MB was picked up by courier from the customs office. Ordering default setup obviously quickest.
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I ordered via a university link and am in the UK.

When u ordered, what was the est. delivery?
 
Video & 2D Graphics Work Fine On MacBooks

countach said:
Hands up who has tried to run a particular app on the MacBook and found the video performance to be sub standard? I've been using a Mac mini that has the same video, and the performance seems not half bad, admittedly not necessarily doing the stuff you folks do.

Hands up who's whining for the sake of whining, and who actually KNOWS the Macbook's video is no good because they've TRIED it?
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Earliest reports of the original MacBook a few days after it shipped were that all of Final Cut Pro works great on it including Motion 2. I support your contention that video and 2D graphics work fine on a MacBook unless you need 3D graphics.
 
I placed my order in the afternoon around 16:00 (HKtime)
just now 19:40, i checked the order status, my MacBook is shipped. :eek:
But my wireless mighty mouse is still not yet shipped :rolleyes:
 
I just realized that you have to buy the mini-DVI adapters separately. Was that a new thing with the Macbooks?
 
delivery of my macbook...

I ordered my new macbook yesterday afternoon just after the announcement from the higher education store, and this is what the apple store is showing my order status when i just checked:

Not yet shipped
Estimated Shipping: 13 Nov, 2006
Estimated Delivery: 22 Nov, 2006 - 23 Nov, 2006

Surely it wont take 9 days to ship? And I am surprised that it wont ship til the 13th, seems a bit slow, you would think they would have the inventory in stock for a new product release like this?
 
krayg said:
I ordered my new macbook yesterday afternoon just after the announcement from the higher education store, and this is what the apple store is showing my order status when i just checked:

Not yet shipped
Estimated Shipping: 13 Nov, 2006
Estimated Delivery: 22 Nov, 2006 - 23 Nov, 2006

Surely it wont take 9 days to ship? And I am surprised that it wont ship til the 13th, seems a bit slow, you would think they would have the inventory in stock for a new product release like this?
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where do you live?
 
krayg said:
I ordered my new macbook yesterday afternoon just after the announcement from the higher education store, and this is what the apple store is showing my order status when i just checked:

Not yet shipped
Estimated Shipping: 13 Nov, 2006
Estimated Delivery: 22 Nov, 2006 - 23 Nov, 2006

Surely it wont take 9 days to ship? And I am surprised that it wont ship til the 13th, seems a bit slow, you would think they would have the inventory in stock for a new product release like this?
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I go the same delivery schedule, and also via HE link. Wish they hurry up, asia side are getting them quicker.
 
hopefully these dates are exaggerrated just so they dont dissappoint anyone, and the macbooks will arrive earlier, now ive decided to go for it, i just want to play with my new baby!!!
 
Here's my order status:

Not yet shipped:

MIGHTY MOUSE WIRELESS STANDALONE KIT-ZML
Ships by: 09/11/2006 - 10/11/2006
Delivers by: 13/11/2006 - 14/11/2006
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Shipped - Nov 9, 2006 via BAX GLOBAL PTE LTD :

Product
MB 13/2.0/2X512/80/SD-DL:WHITE-ITP
Delivers by: Nov 13, 2006

:D
 
Detektiv-Pinky said:
Citing Wikipedia here: In computers, the front side bus (FSB) or system bus is a term for the physical bi-directional data bus that carries all electronic signal information between the central processing unit (CPU) and other devices within the system such as random access memory (RAM), AGP video cards, PCI expansion cards, hard disks, the memory containing the system BIOS, etc.

You bet that it makes a difference if this thing runs 20% faster ;)
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Doesn't make any difference at all if the memory connected to it isn't any faster. If your memory has 100 ns latency, then the only difference between 667 MHz and 1200 MHz frontside bus is that you wait 66 cycles on the 667 MHz bus and 120 cycles on the 1200 MHz bus.
 
gnasher729 said:
Doesn't make any difference at all if the memory connected to it isn't any faster. If your memory has 100 ns latency, then the only difference between 667 MHz and 1200 MHz frontside bus is that you wait 66 cycles on the 667 MHz bus and 120 cycles on the 1200 MHz bus.
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I'd imagine that when we move from Napa (667 fsb with 667 ddr2 memory) to Santa Rosa that the memory will then move to 800 MHz ddr2 (6400).
 
jaduffy108 said:
### Hi Multi...would you mind elaborating on this?...cuz the folks at anandtech, barefeats, etc, etc disagree with you... substantially so. For me, I wonder why Intel would bother creating something that would make "zero difference". Also, 133mhz is almost the ENTIRE (167) bandwidth of my PB G4!!!
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It doesn't work like that. The MHz (please write MHz. Capital M = Mega. Lowercase m = milli. You really really don't want a 133mHz bus) is just the speed of the clock controlling the bus, which means one bus cycle = 1/133 million seconds = 7.5 nanoseconds. The other question is: How many bus cycles does something take? Nothing can be done faster than a bus cycle. So if your memory takes 69 nanoseconds to deliver the first bit of data, and it can deliver more data every 5.7 nanoseconds, then on your slow bus it will actually deliver data after 10 cycles = 75 nanoseconds, and deliver more data every 1 cycle = 5.7 nanoseconds. On a 1330 MHz bus, ten times as fast, or 0.75 nanoseconds per cycle, the first data would arrive at about 94 or so cycles = just above 69 nanoseconds, and more data comes every 8 cycles = 6.0 nanoseconds.

Now memory has also become quite a bit faster, but the principle remains. Memory speed is mostly the limiter, not frontside bus speed. If you read the description of memory, you will often see a combination like "2-1-1-1" which means the memory can deliver data after two cycles, then more data every cycle. On 667 MHz memory these numbers are much bigger. The memory isn't actually faster, it just runs at a higher clockspeed and therefore needs more clock cycles to deliver data.
 
Croatian said:
I know .. unless your going to live by a bench mark screen to say wow my book is better then yours ... i see no reason why santa rosa will even matter
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802.11n
WiMax
Robson Technology

Those three things a lone are worth the wait. Next year everyone is going to be switching to n.... and trust me the added distance is going to be disappointing to miss out on.

Robson Technology: Hybrid RAM/HD... where everything is cached in a stick of RAM and then offloaded onto the HD alltogether to make the HD used a lot less.

Robson Technology + New Chipset will increase battery significantly.

So, lets see. You could wait for Santa Rose if you don't really need a computer now and get Leopard, Better Battery Life, Wi-Max if not just 802.11n, and most importantly Robson Technology (did I mention faster boots and a completely new way to sleep?)

Yeah. I'm waiting my last rev. 12" PB is great for now. Plus, they don't make a laptop this small anymore, so I don't want to lose the coziness so fast.
 
Well this kinda sucks right now. I had a Gateway Pentium III machine from '99 and needed a new computer. I waited for 4-5 months and finally broke down and got my new macbook in Sept. only to now see they updated the thing! Dang it!

Oh well. After the initial shock I will get over it I'm sure.

Pain gets easier with time.

Congrats to all you new Macbook owners...its a great machine

-CK
 
Chef Medeski said:
802.11n
WiMax
Robson Technology

Those three things a lone are worth the wait. Next year everyone is going to be switching to n.... and trust me the added distance is going to be disappointing to miss out on.

Robson Technology: Hybrid RAM/HD... where everything is cached in a stick of RAM and then offloaded onto the HD alltogether to make the HD used a lot less.

Robson Technology + New Chipset will increase battery significantly.

So, lets see. You could wait for Santa Rose if you don't really need a computer now and get Leopard, Better Battery Life, Wi-Max if not just 802.11n, and most importantly Robson Technology (did I mention faster boots and a completely new way to sleep?)

Yeah. I'm waiting my last rev. 12" PB is great for now. Plus, they don't make a laptop this small anymore, so I don't want to lose the coziness so fast.
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i don't even use the 802.11g to its fullest, i almost never use wifi hotspots and if then from inside of an airplane. not much chance that i'll walk far away from the plane during a transatlantic flight. and within our company building or inside a starbucks both bandwith and range aren't limiting.

while robson sounds great what happens if your application freezes/crashes? your data are not on the hd so do you lose the data?

battery life is the only relevant thing here to me. but since the cpu/gpu and display take a huge part of the battery how much improvement will robson bring? 10%?

boot time and sleep mode is already satisfactory right now.

so all in all I don't see any huge revolution coming. improvement yes but nothing so dramatic that it would make the current MacBooks a bad deal.
 
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