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Watched this vid today - very interesting.
1. Couple of items, if you watch in YouTube, there are a number of good links.
2. A great example of an initial flawed analysis based on the actual at risk population. Called out and explained in the vid.

 
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Apparently, LA county has an outdoor mask mandate for mega events (regardless of vaccination status), but it was basically ignored by fans, celebrities, and politicians for the NFC playoffs and Super Bowl.

 
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Apparently, LA county has an outdoor mask mandate for mega events (regardless of vaccination status), but it was basically ignored by fans, celebrities, and politicians for the NFC playoffs and Super Bowl.


Who you are grant a lot of leeway in LA.
 
Apparently, LA county has an outdoor mask mandate for mega events (regardless of vaccination status), but it was basically ignored by fans, celebrities, and politicians for the NFC playoffs and Super Bowl.


Umm.. debunked.


BL.
 
Yes. I agree. Everyone in our family is fully vaccinated and boosted. This includes our adult children that are all in their 20s and are very healthy.

My daughter got COVID in early December. She attend a party of grad students (all fully vaccinated and tested weekly as required by the University), and 18 of 22 attendees were infected. Everyone described pretty mild symptoms. Basically, a few days of cold like symptoms. While vaccination did not prevent infection, it seems to have helped prevent serious illness and hospitalization. Of course, these are all young healthy people that are, ironically, part of my daughter's Masters in Public Health program.

We’ve all had covid in my house with my wife and daughter having the worse symptoms. My 8 year old daughter was rushed into hospital with breathing difficulties on a Saturday morning 3 weeks ago. Thankfully she was fine, but it highlighted for me that children can be affected in some cases. My worse symptom was passing some blood on day 1 and apparently this can be the first thing people notice before testing positive. All clear now and today is my last day of my isolation after successive periods staying at home. I haven’t been out really since 16th of January.
 
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Umm.. debunked.


BL.
Wait. What do you mean debunked? Did you read the news report that I posted? It basically says the same thing as the one that you posted. The COVID rules were unchanged for the Playoffs or the Super Bowl, i.e. for mega outdoor events, masks were to be worn at all times unless actively eating or drinking.

However, per the news report and city officials, these rules were pretty much ignored by fans, celebrities, and even some local politicians that attended. Of course, this was completely predictable. If you watched the games, there is no doubt.
 
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Wait. What do you mean debunked. The article I posted says basically the same thing that you posted.

The COVID rules were unchanged for the Playoffs or the Super Bowl, i.e. for mega outdoor events, masks were to be worn at all times unless actively eating or drinking. However, these rules were pretty much ignored by fans, celebrities, and even some local politicians that attended. If you watched the games, there is no doubt.

If they were ignored by the fans, can you blame the officials? That is not their fault that the fans ignored them. What blame can be passed onto the officials is that they didn't enforce their rules. I'll concede that, but the implication is that the officials didn't have the rules in place, when in fact they did.

I didn't watch the Super Bowl; I don't care about the NFL or American football at all (I grew up in a state where the state religion is College Football, so I grew tired of it at age 6); I prefer Australian Rules Football or rugby, where they don't wear padding. The start/stop/plan non-fluidity bores me; I actually found more fluidness and fun watching the Puppy Bowl. Besides, there was no mask mandate at that stadium. ;)

BL.
 
If they were ignored by the fans, can you blame the officials? That is not their fault that the fans ignored them. What blame can be passed onto the officials is that they didn't enforce their rules. I'll concede that, but the implication is that the officials didn't have the rules in place, when in fact they did.

I didn't watch the Super Bowl; I don't care about the NFL or American football at all (I grew up in a state where the state religion is College Football, so I grew tired of it at age 6); I prefer Australian Rules Football or rugby, where they don't wear padding. The start/stop/plan non-fluidity bores me; I actually found more fluidness and fun watching the Puppy Bowl. Besides, there was no mask mandate at that stadium. ;)

BL.
Ok, so first of all, you are wrong. The article I posted did not imply that officials didn't have the rules in place. It clearly stated the rules were in place.

Second of all, it was completely predictable that the rules were going to be ignored. So, yes, I can blame officials for issuing unenforceable guidelines in the first place. There is no way they were going to be followed or enforced. How can you possibly enforce wearing N95 masks on a crowd of 80K+ screaming sports fans? It was never going to happen. It didn't happen at the Playoffs two weeks earlier, and officials knew darn well it wasn't going to happen at the Super Bowl.

This guidance was nothing more than a wink and a nod so they could go forward without appearing too obvious about their hypocrisy. But, everyone knew what was going to happen.
 
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We’ve all had covid in my house with my wife and daughter having the worse symptoms. My 8 year old daughter was rushed into hospital with breathing difficulties on a Saturday morning 3 weeks ago. Thankfully she was fine, but it highlighted for me that children can be affected in some cases. My worse symptom was passing some blood on day 1 and apparently this can be the first thing people notice before testing positive. All clear now and today is my last day of my isolation after successive periods staying at home. I haven’t been out really since 16th of January.
Wishing you and your loved ones health and peace.
 
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Just now getting over the last remnants of Covid. I had about 4 days of primary symptoms, sore throat, runny nose and then about 10 days of a nagging cough that made life and sleeping really miserable. I am finally 2 days without the cough and back to sleeping normally.
 
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I’ve just done the last lateral flow test of my isolation period and still a strong positive. I can go back to work tomorrow and am being asked to by my boss. I have no idea if I am still infectious but most people I work with don’t seem to care anyway
 
Corona restrictions will never end here in Germany. We will probably still walk around with a N95 mask by this time next year. Our Clubs and bars have been closed since December (again) and concerts have not really been possible since March 2020. it SUCKS especially hearing all the other countries surrounding us, opening up completely.

All the restrictions and constant negativity of our government is literally doing a toll on my mental health. I refresh the news ever few minutes like WHAT NOW?! I don’t even worry about catching covid tbh, it’s all the limitations surrounding it.

I have noticed that every time our politicians are meeting to discuss the next steps, I have pretty bad tinitus that day
 
Ok, so first of all, you are wrong. The article I posted did not imply that officials didn't have the rules in place. It clearly stated the rules were in place.

Second of all, it was completely predictable that the rules were going to be ignored. So, yes, I can blame officials for issuing unenforceable guidelines in the first place. There is no way they were going to be followed or enforced. How can you possibly enforce wearing N95 masks on a crowd of 80K+ screaming sports fans? It was never going to happen. It didn't happen at the Playoffs two weeks earlier, and officials knew darn well it wasn't going to happen at the Super Bowl.

This guidance was nothing more than a wink and a nod so they could go forward without appearing too obvious about their hypocrisy. But, everyone knew what was going to happen.

Typical LA mentality.
Powers pass a rule but it can be ignored depending on the situation.
Wonder if they see a COVID spike and blame it on the SB ...
 
Corona restrictions will never end here in Germany. We will probably still walk around with a N95 mask by this time next year. Our Clubs and bars have been closed since December (again) and concerts have not really been possible since March 2020. it SUCKS especially hearing all the other countries surrounding us, opening up completely.

All the restrictions and constant negativity of our government is literally doing a toll on my mental health. I refresh the news ever few minutes like WHAT NOW?! I don’t even worry about catching covid tbh, it’s all the limitations surrounding it.

I have noticed that every time our politicians are meeting to discuss the next steps, I have pretty bad tinitus that day
I know things have slowed way down in the states but it looks like Germany has yet to peak, is that right? A positive infection rate of 44% is huge.

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Watched this on the latest info on CDC study claims and mask wearing effectiveness.
Calls the study into question as to claims.

Overall has some very good information on masks study and the difficulty around this. Well worth watching.

 
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I know things have slowed way down in the states but it looks like Germany has yet to peak, is that right? A positive infection rate of 44% is huge.

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They are no longer looking at the 7 days incidence to make decision but the hospital rate instead which is also quite questionable because they still don’t know, don’t track how many people are in the hospital bc of covid or because of something else and the test result just happens to have come back positive. Ridiculous 2 years into the pandemic
 
Watched this on the latest info on CDC study claims and mask wearing effectiveness.
Calls the study into question as to claims.

Overall has some very good information on masks study and the difficulty around this. Well worth watching.

Here is another interesting video about issues with some of these studies promulgated by the CDC.


It is truly unfortunate because I think our public health officials are trying to do the right thing. The problem is they are being swept into a narrative to influence public behavior rather focusing on unbiased science. Politics is about influencing public behavior. Science is about giving people the unvarnished truth.
 
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It is truly unfortunate because I think our public health officials are trying to do the right thing. The problem is they are being swept into a narrative to influence public behavior rather focusing on unbiased science. Politics is about influencing public behavior. Science is about giving people the unvarnished truth.

That has been a difficulty here in California. And elsewhere. What is factual conclusions vs political conclusions.
Be nice to see that confusion fixed in the future. A possible lesson learned.
 
Ok, so first of all, you are wrong. The article I posted did not imply that officials didn't have the rules in place. It clearly stated the rules were in place.

Second of all, it was completely predictable that the rules were going to be ignored. So, yes, I can blame officials for issuing unenforceable guidelines in the first place. There is no way they were going to be followed or enforced. How can you possibly enforce wearing N95 masks on a crowd of 80K+ screaming sports fans? It was never going to happen. It didn't happen at the Playoffs two weeks earlier, and officials knew darn well it wasn't going to happen at the Super Bowl.

This guidance was nothing more than a wink and a nod so they could go forward without appearing too obvious about their hypocrisy. But, everyone knew what was going to happen.

They were able to do that for the Australian Rules Football Grand Final, which was held during trailing down of Delta and the surge of Omicron. Unfortunately this year it was held in Perth, Western Australia at Optus Stadium, instead of its traditional home, the Melbourne Cricket Ground, which was shut down due to the entire state of Victoria being on lockdown.

The MCG has 100,000 seats, while if adding standing room, can hold 105,000. When the MCG was open, and according to their state guidelines, they were able to have the MCG open to a certain percentage of capacity due to the levels of vaccinations and cases in the state. You had to provide vaccination records or 14 days isolation/quarantine plus a negative PCR test prior to entry. And yes, it was enforceable; when they had it open to 75% capacity (prior to Delta locking everything down) that got them over 75000 people to a single game. But I digress. at Optus Stadium, they enforced the rules there: no vaccines or mask + negative PCR test = no entry. They - the AFL and its supporters and fans - got it right; they, along with the government of Western Australia enforced the rules.

The NFL fans got it wrong, and placed "muh freedumz" over what was needed and what was needed to be enforced. I blame the lack of enforcement on the officials. I blame the lack of common sense on the fans. But to say that it is unenforceable to have 80,000 plus screaming sports fans to wear a mask? You are mistaken.

BL.
 
They were able to do that for the Australian Rules Football Grand Final, which was held during trailing down of Delta and the surge of Omicron. Unfortunately this year it was held in Perth, Western Australia at Optus Stadium, instead of its traditional home, the Melbourne Cricket Ground, which was shut down due to the entire state of Victoria being on lockdown.

The MCG has 100,000 seats, while if adding standing room, can hold 105,000. When the MCG was open, and according to their state guidelines, they were able to have the MCG open to a certain percentage of capacity due to the levels of vaccinations and cases in the state. You had to provide vaccination records or 14 days isolation/quarantine plus a negative PCR test prior to entry. And yes, it was enforceable; when they had it open to 75% capacity (prior to Delta locking everything down) that got them over 75000 people to a single game. But I digress. at Optus Stadium, they enforced the rules there: no vaccines or mask + negative PCR test = no entry. They - the AFL and its supporters and fans - got it right; they, along with the government of Western Australia enforced the rules.

The NFL fans got it wrong, and placed "muh freedumz" over what was needed and what was needed to be enforced. I blame the lack of enforcement on the officials. I blame the lack of common sense on the fans. But to say that it is unenforceable to have 80,000 plus screaming sports fans to wear a mask? You are mistaken.

BL.
The rule allows you to take off your mask If you are actively eating or drinking. Practically everyone in the crowd has a beer or beverage. There is no way they were going to enforce it, and the officials knew it.

The proof is in the results. Heck, the SuperBowl was a maskless repeat of the NFC championship game two weeks earlier. They absolutely knew how this was going to play out. They just turned a blind eye.
 
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The rule allows you to take off your mask If you are actively eating or drinking. Practically everyone in the crowd has a beer or beverage. There is no way they were going to enforce it, and the officials knew it.

The proof is in the results. Heck, the SuperBowl was a maskless repeat of the NFC championship game two weeks earlier. They absolutely knew how this was going to play out. They just turned a blind eye.

Which goes back to my point that rules were in place, despite whatever media sources were claiming that they weren't. Those rules should have been enforced, especially by law, as well as blame put on the lack of common sense by the people there. And we wonder why we have so much of an issue with this pandemic.

BL.
 
here's hoping it's not severe and there's a quick recovery for you......being sick is never fun
THANKS

Basically over it, some body aches/chills, surprisingly no fever, I did have sore throat & a runny nose, I don't recall ever sleeping so much I was tired all the time & just slept. started 2/10 and right now I am almost as good as new. took a few pills my MIL sent from Mexico.
 
I haven't been here for a while but the past week has seen a marked increase in the number of people in the gym. I'd say that it's back to pre-pandemic numbers. The only reason you'd know it's a pandemic is people wearing masks. We have a city mask mandate that expires at the end of February and I've heard that it isn't getting renewed. Our high active cases was over 20K and it's at 3K right now and falling sharply. Hospitalizations are at one-quarter peak. Deaths are still relatively high but that's the laggiest indicator. It feels like we are just about over in our part of the state.

Of course I would not say that in Massachusetts where I think the restrictions will last somewhat longer.

I now personally know six people who have had COVID. My former manager who got wild (took two months to get over and still tired), a tennis friend in July 2020 who had long COVID and was in the ICU and was disabled for 18 months, a young adult who got hit hard but recovered, one of the desk people at the gym, my oncologist and a friend of my daughters. The latter three were vaccinated and boosted and in good health so no big deal for them.

I run into people on r/HermanCainAward who know multiple people that have died and lots of people who have had COVID so there are clearly places where the experience is far different from what I've seen. Nobody in my extended family has had it except for one distant relative (before vaccines) who was not expected to make it but did survive. I never met the relative - was only told by a closer relative. It will be nice when this thing is really over.
 
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On Feb 16th, California removed indoor mask mandates for the vaccinated. Masks are still required in school and public transportation. Most counties have adopted the revised state-wide guidance.

Here is the latest nation-wide chart of cases and new hospitalizations from the CDC web site.

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