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It's supposed to be a Pro machine. As an editor and a CGI animator, I want better thermal management and airflow, less processor throttling, more ports, bigger screen, more internal drive space, etc. I don't find the current MacBook Pro to be heavy and would be fine with an even heavier machine with a larger footprint. I loved my old 17" so much. I had 2 drives in that thing and 8 TB of storage. I could edit giant video projects on my couch and never have to plug in a single external drive. I want that back. And honestly, I'd pay whatever the cost to get it. My laptop is a work machine and I work on it 12 hours a day. It pays for itself rather quickly. Apple needs to release a "MacBook Pro Pro".

And btw (and slightly off topic) the USB-C port design is awful. They really need to figure out a better way to make the connection more secure. I hate that I can slightly bump a cable and have the damn thing pop out and watch my drive dismount, unlinking all the assets to my video project. Hey Apple, make all the USB-C ports magnetic!

We could see Apple returning to some things the took away. Like a thicker case with better air flow in and out so processors can run faster and have faster GPU units on board. Better keyboard. A return to a magnetic power jack. Thicker case can mean thicker batteries inside the case also. Maybe a USB 3.1 port. I am sure 802.11ax we be there. I am sure they have a whole product review team that looks and listens to what people like. On here and what they are saying, along with Apple Feedback. I worked at GM and i remember when there would remove a feature for a vehicle and it would return the next model year because of customers wanting it so bad.

Apple like to make money, so listening to customer feedback is important to the company. They most likely have a super computer that watches sales and forecasts how tweaking a existing system grows profit.
 
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why wont my homepod allow me to update the software? doesn't give me the option? LOL
Consider yourself fortunate I updates and if it bricks, I live in a remote area (On an Island) it would take 4 weeks to get it fixed One week to get the box to send back sent out one week to get it to Apple one week for Apple to fix it and one week to return it.
 
It's supposed to be a Pro machine. As an editor and a CGI animator, I want better thermal management and airflow, less processor throttling, more ports, bigger screen, more internal drive space, etc. I don't find the current MacBook Pro to be heavy and would be fine with an even heavier machine with a larger footprint. I loved my old 17" so much. I had 2 drives in that thing and 8 TB of storage. I could edit giant video projects on my couch and never have to plug in a single external drive. I want that back. And honestly, I'd pay whatever the cost to get it. My laptop is a work machine and I work on it 12 hours a day. It pays for itself rather quickly. Apple needs to release a "MacBook Pro Pro".

And btw (and slightly off topic) the USB-C port design is awful. They really need to figure out a better way to make the connection more secure. I hate that I can slightly bump a cable and have the damn thing pop out and watch my drive dismount, unlinking all the assets to my video project. Hey Apple, make all the USB-C ports magnetic!

Yes, I can understand your concern. Apple's current offerings are great, but at the same time kind of disappointing. The 15-inch MacBook Pro is a great laptop, but it also hits a middle ground which brings some compromises. It is neither thin and light enough for some users, nor big and powerful enough for others.
 
I remember the one of the years I worked for Apple in the late 90's and the top of the line PowerMac unit. I had a couple of customers who ordered the PowerMac units and it took them 12 months to get their new computer. By the time they got it. Two months later they were selling the next version of PowerMac they were not happy. I think Apple tries to avoid such things now with better manufacturing and sales forecasting. Like you have seen with the new iPhone 11's phones. Increasing the production of regular 11 models and decreasing the pro level model. They watch inventory very carefully like for a new Macbook pro 16in and can change production pretty fast. So if they bring out a new Macbook Pro and it starts to sell like hot cakes they can start ramping up production and producing more units. So I think we will see it in the next couple days and they will watch sales and they can forecast for the next three months sales. This will also help with a new 13in if the 16in sales take off.
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I see that the Air Pod Pro's are now a week out for delivery. So they must be selling very well.
 
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I see that the Air Pod Pro's are now a week out for delivery. So they must be selling very well.

Maybe?

The only way to make that statement is to infer they've produced *loads* of them (and/or know their capacity to scale it).

I don't see how we can glean anything from shipping dates since we don't know manufactured units or the capacity of the line.
 
We could see Apple returning to some things the took away. Like a thicker case with better air flow in and out so processors can run faster and have faster GPU units on board. Better keyboard. A return to a magnetic power jack. Thicker case can mean thicker batteries inside the case also. Maybe a USB 3.1 port. I am sure 802.11ax we be there. I am sure they have a whole product review team that looks and listens to what people like. On here and what they are saying, along with Apple Feedback. I worked at GM and i remember when there would remove a feature for a vehicle and it would return the next model year because of customers wanting it so bad.

Apple like to make money, so listening to customer feedback is important to the company. They most likely have a super computer that watches sales and forecasts how tweaking a existing system grows profit.

802.11ax/Wi-Fi 6 might happen, but probably not. They'd have to add an additional chip to do that today. Instead, they just wait for Comet Lake-H around mid-2020, which will almost certainly have it built in. Saves the engineering costs and doesn't really do much harm.

The processors could run a bit faster at turbo boost / thermal velocity boost, but it's not as big a difference as some people seem to think it is. It's more of a hack to get around Intel still not having 10nm 45 W parts (or 10nm parts of any kind at high volume).

Thicker batteries, sure, maybe. Better keyboard, almost certainly. Magnetic power jack, almost certainly not — the about face isn't outweighed by the benefits. USB 3.1, probably not; SD seems more likely to me given its thinness, but probably also not.
 
Apple may have not launched the much rumored 16-inch MacBook Pro today, but Samsung has just released a pair of pretty impressive laptops. The Galaxy Book Flex and the Galaxy Book Ion, both available in 13 and 15-inch sizes.


 
Apple may have not launched the much rumored 16-inch MacBook Pro today, but Samsung has just released a pair of pretty impressive laptops. The Galaxy Book Flex and the Galaxy Book Ion, both available in 13 and 15-inch sizes.



Interesting, but not shipping any time soon, and also not even remotely the level of performance the 16-inch MacBook Pro would offer. Not really comparable products.
 
Maybe?

The only way to make that statement is to infer they've produced *loads* of them (and/or know their capacity to scale it).

I don't see how we can glean anything from shipping dates since we don't know manufactured units or the capacity of the line.

Well the product only came out 2 days ago. So with just in time manufacturing, you want to know what is the rate of sales. You do not make a lot of them so you have a lot of inventory going into the holiday season and they are not selling, just to make sure how the sales are flowing and forecast the sales for the next three months. You ramp production up. Don't think we would see a week out for delivery if Apple had units sitting around. Being the Apple Airpod Pros, how many units do you think you could fit in a 747 jumbo delivery jet. I bet a lot of units :)
 
Bad thing:confused:

Maybe not, most likely Apple was so close to the release of the new OS update that they did not include them because you can have a special release version of the Mac OS to cover the little changes to the over all hardware. Like a new keyboard, a 16in screen and some other tweaks. The Mac Pro has been in development for two years. A new Macbook pro maybe 4 months once they were not seeing sales of the current model doing so well. They decided to fix the thinks people wanted fixed or wanted back or wanted new on a laptop.

If you are making Edsel's, you do not want to continue selling Edsel's. You change your design.
Like "Oh i do not like the trash can Mac Pro" Ok lets make a Mac Pro people will want to buy. :)
 
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Interesting, but not shipping any time soon, and also not even remotely the level of performance the 16-inch MacBook Pro would offer. Not really comparable products.

Yes, definitely. It's just that everybody here was expecting Apple to release a New MacBook Pro and, instead, Samsung released completely unrelated products at the same time. But there are some interesting things to note here.

Samsung's offerings are nowhere near the power expected in the 16-inch Pro. However, they have some very interesting features. These laptops are very light (a 15-inch 2-in-1 model with a discrete graphics card is only 1.57kg, and that is the heaviest of the bunch), offer QLED displays, reduced bezels, and stellar battery life (Samsung claims 20 hours).

The fact that competitors are offering this kind of product means that the lifecycle of the current MacBook Pro may be near its end. To keep up with competition, Apple will have to offer comparable features, many of which current models lack. This is one of the reasons to believe that the release of a 16-inch MacBook Pro is imminent (and perhaps followed by a 14-inch model a few months later).

Also, I just realized that Samsung Developer Conference 2019 was held yesterday and today (October 29 and 30). Perhaps this is one of the reasons why Apple did not release a MacBook Pro in any of these days. If tomorrow no other large tech company hold any event, Apple might releases it.
 
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Yes, definitely. It's just that everybody here was expecting Apple to release a New MacBook Pro and, instead, Samsung released completely unrelated products at the same time. But there are some interesting things to note here.

Samsung's offerings are nowhere near the power expected in the 16-inch Pro. However, they have some very interesting features. These laptops are very light (a 15-inch 2-in-1 model with a discrete graphics card is only 1.57kg, and that is the heaviest of the bunch), offer QLED displays, reduced bezels, and stellar battery life (Samsung claims 20 hours).

Regarding the display:

First, QLED is a marketing term. It'd be like Apple saying they're Retina Displays, or XDR Displays, or whatever. Having said that, the "Outdoor Mode" sounds interesting. Though:

with a maximum of 600 nitts using a special “Outdoor Mode” and up to 400 nitts regularly

Apple actually claims 500 nits on both their 13-inch and 15-inch MacBooks Pro already. The Verge's article also doesn't go into detail on what exactly "more color accurate than before" means, and the MBPs are doing fairly well on that front.

Regarding the other specs: these are, as the article notes, Intel Project Athena stuff. That makes them more of a competitor against the MacBook Air or possibly the 13-inch MacBook Pro.

It'll be interesting to see what Apple can/wants to pull off in terms of thickness, lightness, bezels, and battery life on their 2020 and beyond 13-inch (14-inch?) models. They'll probably eventually move to Ice Lake-U and -Y, or they might skip ahead to Tiger Lake. Either way, those models will probably allow for some of the advances Samsung is showing here. Part of that, I would guess, will be eaten up by Apple making the next generation slightly thinner again. Which will obviously be controversial.

It should be noted that Samsung isn't a huge seller of laptops. Intel can't ship these Project Athena / Ice Lake chips in large volumes, which is why they also released the boring iterative Comet Lake-U chips more or less in parallel. And Apple seems once bitten, twice shy about going with risky Intel chips these days. (In particular, their entire 12-inch MacBook history 2015-2018 probably didn't go as planned and/or promised by Intel.)

Lastly, on graphics: the MX250 is better than the low-end 15-inch MacBook Pro option (the Radeon Pro 555X), but worse than the 560X, and much, much worse than the Vega 20. Like with the CPU, the Samsung's GPU just doesn't compete.

The fact that competitors are offering this kind of product means that the lifecycle of the current MacBook Pro may be near its end.

Sure. This design is from 2016, and Apple usually makes major adjustment around every three to four years. (The MBPs in particular saw the 2006 design, which was only a minor adjustment from the 2003 PowerBook G4 Aluminum design; the 2008 Unibody design; the 2012 Retina design; and the 2016 Touch Bar design.)

There's little doubt this year or next year will see some changes beyond a mere speedbump.

To keep up with competition, Apple will have to offer comparable features, many of which current models lack. This is one of the reasons to believe that the release of a 16-inch MacBook Pro is imminent (and perhaps followed by a 14-inch model a few months later).

I don't think the 16-inch MacBook Pro will be that exciting.

Reduce the bezel, sure. Bring back a more reliable keyboard, yes. Some speedbumps. That's about it.
 
Regarding the display:

First, QLED is a marketing term. It'd be like Apple saying they're Retina Displays, or XDR Displays, or whatever. Having said that, the "Outdoor Mode" sounds interesting. Though:



Apple actually claims 500 nits on both their 13-inch and 15-inch MacBooks Pro already. The Verge's article also doesn't go into detail on what exactly "more color accurate than before" means, and the MBPs are doing fairly well on that front.

Regarding the other specs: these are, as the article notes, Intel Project Athena stuff. That makes them more of a competitor against the MacBook Air or possibly the 13-inch MacBook Pro.

It'll be interesting to see what Apple can/wants to pull off in terms of thickness, lightness, bezels, and battery life on their 2020 and beyond 13-inch (14-inch?) models. They'll probably eventually move to Ice Lake-U and -Y, or they might skip ahead to Tiger Lake. Either way, those models will probably allow for some of the advances Samsung is showing here. Part of that, I would guess, will be eaten up by Apple making the next generation slightly thinner again. Which will obviously be controversial.

It should be noted that Samsung isn't a huge seller of laptops. Intel can't ship these Project Athena / Ice Lake chips in large volumes, which is why they also released the boring iterative Comet Lake-U chips more or less in parallel. And Apple seems once bitten, twice shy about going with risky Intel chips these days. (In particular, their entire 12-inch MacBook history 2015-2018 probably didn't go as planned and/or promised by Intel.)

Lastly, on graphics: the MX250 is better than the low-end 15-inch MacBook Pro option (the Radeon Pro 555X), but worse than the 560X, and much, much worse than the Vega 20. Like with the CPU, the Samsung's GPU just doesn't compete.



Sure. This design is from 2016, and Apple usually makes major adjustment around every three to four years. (The MBPs in particular saw the 2006 design, which was only a minor adjustment from the 2003 PowerBook G4 Aluminum design; the 2008 Unibody design; the 2012 Retina design; and the 2016 Touch Bar design.)

There's little doubt this year or next year will see some changes beyond a mere speedbump.



I don't think the 16-inch MacBook Pro will be that exciting.

Reduce the bezel, sure. Bring back a more reliable keyboard, yes. Some speedbumps. That's about it.

Well, it is a good replacement for a broken 10 year old 2009 Mac Pro tower :) There has been a lot of technology change in those 10 years :)
 
I always say there will always be something new every year. With the Apple trade in program. Use a Mac Pro model for 3 years and then turn it in for a new model like a lease on a car. Except Apple give you money back to use on the next computer.
 
Apple needs to release a "MacBook Pro Pro".

Names aside (pro doesn't mean anything anymore except higher specs), the machine you described want and need is a workstation laptop, like the Thinkpad P series or the HP ZBook workstations. They are designed to put performance over design and have adequate cooling and actual Xeon and Quadro graphics on a wide variety of screen sizes. They are also more affordable (meaning you can configure them from a lower price) than the Macbook Pro. So my question is, does your workflow require OS X? If it does, can it change? If it doesn't, why on earth would you choose a Macbook Pro over a machine actually designed to do what you need?
 
Names aside (pro doesn't mean anything anymore except higher specs), the machine you described want and need is a workstation laptop, like the Thinkpad P series or the HP ZBook workstations. They are designed to put performance over design and have adequate cooling and actual Xeon and Quadro graphics on a wide variety of screen sizes. They are also more affordable (meaning you can configure them from a lower price) than the Macbook Pro. So my question is, does your workflow require OS X? If it does, can it change? If it doesn't, why on earth would you choose a Macbook Pro over a machine actually designed to do what you need?

The ZBook is interesting to go really high-end, but to call it more affordable is kind of a stretch. Sure, you could configure it all the way down to 8 GB and a 256 GB SSD, and then get it for $1576, but… who's gonna do that? To what end?

If you configure it similarly, the differences are there, but aren't massive. E.g.:

  • 2.6GHz 6‑core 9th‑generation Intel Core i7 processor, Turbo Boost up to 4.5GHz
  • 32GB 2400MHz DDR4 memory
  • Radeon Pro 555X with 4GB of GDDR5 memory
  • 512GB SSD storage
That runs me $2,999 on Apple's end. (I've fattened the custom options.)

On HP's end:

  • ZBook 15 G6 with Intel® Core™ i7 9750H processor (2.6 GHz, up to 4.5 GHz with Turbo Boost, 12 MB cache, 6 core) + NVIDIA® Quadro® T1000 (4 GB GDDR5 dedicated) (6CJ04AV)
  • 15.6" diagonal UHD B-LED UWVA Anti-Glare DreamColor with HD Webcam slim (3840x2160)(600 Nits)
  • 32 GB (1x32 GB) DDR4 2666
  • 512 GB PCIe NVMe TLC SSD
  • One-year (1/1/0) limited warranty
That's $2,763, "discounted" from $4,605.

So I save ~230. I get a more powerful GPU that I don't really want, I get a lot of ports including HDMI (though the Ethernet port is so crippled they might as well just have left it out). Also, expandability / easy servicing, which is useful on paper. I also get a machine that ways at least ("starting") 42% more, is 67% thicker, has 98% more volume, and draws 72% more power (who knows about noise and heat).

I could put another disk in. And I can also configure it with up to 128 GB RAM. I do hope the MacBook Pro supports 64 GB soon.

But really, you seem to be suggesting that the ZBook is the better high-end laptop aside from not running macOS, and I just find the MacBook Pro to be the better compromise.

(Granted, the post you're replying for was literally asking for multiple drive slots. So maybe this is exactly the sort of machine they want.)
 
Magnetic power jack, almost certainly not — the about face isn't outweighed by the benefits.

Out of curiosity, what are the benefits of not having the magnetic connector besides Apple making more money from customers tripping over the cords and breaking the computers (not covered under warrantee)? I really miss the magnetic connectors.
 
Out of curiosity, what are the benefits of not having the magnetic connector

A huge problem with MagSafe is that you were bound to a single vendor for power adapters. That was different pre-MagSafe (there were quite a few third-party brands), and it's different now; there's a ton of USB-C or Thunderbolt power adapters, docks, hubs, and other stuff that will work to charge the MBP. More flexible, and cheaper.

Another benefit: it charges from either side of the machine.

Yes, you do lose the magnets.
 
It's a shame both Apple and a part of the community doesn't seem to care about the MBP anymore.

It's all about the iPhone, iPhone, iPhone... and to be honest I can't blame them, they make way more money with the iPhone. But I don't know, as a real "pro" who actually needs pro performance to do actual work, being left out on the sidelines by the biggest tech company in the world feels weird.

I hope the new MBP will be different(as in without issues), if it isn't I'll just take an XPS or a Thinkpad, but it's seriously leaving a bad aftertaste after all these years working on Apple devices.
 
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