Craig Federighi and Greg Joswiak Discuss Apple Silicon Transition, Lack of Boot Camp Support, and More

[Plutonius]

well you do not have to upgrade ASAP... maybe wait a generation and two to see how the OS and developers evolve

Very good advice.

I'm going to wait a few years after Apple has ARM based computers before deciding to buy ARM or switch to Windows.

 

[internetExplorer]

Could see Craig Federighi becoming CEO one day...

 

[SSDGUY]

Just discovered there are no Craig Federighi eyebrow emoji's. Apple has lost its way.

 

[MvdM]

John, I don't like to see your spit when you talk.

 

[moabal]

Could see Craig Federighi becoming CEO one day...

I agree. I took a look at Apple's current leadership on (https://www.apple.com/leadership) and he is the most visible person. He is great at presentations and based on this interview he clearly knows "what is going on" for lack of a better term. Otherwise, from the current lineup maybe Phil Schiller or the COO? They might want to bring on some younger people too.

 

[Rogifan]

Yeah and his questions were so slug slow. Like, get to the point and ask the question directly instead of behaving like you are talking to deities.

More direct questions would have been great, like, how are you gonna learn from the Hey.com problems and engage better with developer? Do you understand that third party developers are what make your platforms successful at the end of the day and you must listen and stop being preferential to your own platforms? Ask the hard questions even if they don’t like it. The least they can say is, we are not gonna get into that. But these weak questions bipolar responses to their responses.

He was never going to do that. He want’s these guys to keep coming back every year.

 

[flygbuss]

What do these guys use for hardware for this call? It's like Gruber has an AMAZING webcam. And I figured he's using the Earpods for the Microphone. But then the other guys seem to have a massive external mic. ? Still trying to figure out what the best gear to get to do this well since we all live on teleconf these days...

All three seem to use EarPods for their communication and the SM 7B is likely for production purpose only (quality sound for the clip later).

Edit: John is wearing an additional lavalier mic for the same reason.

 

[D.T.]

Was it only 12 minutes? I blacked out for awhile and wasn’t sure how long. Who won the elections?

You were asleep _way_ longer than you thought, welcome to 2030. Elections? We stopped those after the machines took over.

ALL HAIL OUR GLORIOUS MACHINE OVERLORDS!

(Trust me, you get used to it ...)

 

[AxiomaticRubric]

Cant say i blame them, vast majority dont use x86 windows apps on their Macs as there are usually decent MacOS or web based replacements. For example, Visio was easily replaced by LucidChart or Draw IO, and I think Visio Web Based exists now.

Ironically Microsoft is the reason I don't need Windows anymore. They gave us .NET Core, SQL Server on Linux (easy to use on macOS through Docker), and Visual Studio for Mac. Windows is dead to me as far as software development goes.

 

[Mayo86]

Good riddance Windows on Boot Camp. It always made my MacBook Pro constantly overclock the CPU. Thanks Apple. I prefer that your motherboards NOT get slow roasted.

Uh, you did have an option to NOT use Bootcamp, right? How is this good riddance? I’m guessing you enjoy limiting your available resources and that’s a good thing?

 

[AxiomaticRubric]

Damn... losing VMWare Fusion support for me would be "goodby Mac".
I use Windows almost daily for Visual Studio.

I would probable just end buying a MacBook Air and a PC, and use both.

You do know there is Visual Studio for Mac, right? It has inherited flaws from its Mono roots but it is getting better.

Uh, you did have an option to NOT use Bootcamp, right? How is this good riddance? I’m guessing you enjoy limiting your available resources and that’s a good thing?

It was the multitude of major and minor niggles that make me say "good riddance". Inconsistent mapping of the Mac keyboard to Windows. The constant full-blast fan noise while the MacBook Pro tries to keep itself alive. And just Windows. Yuck. 🤢

 

[Plutonius]

Sure, but they demonstrated Rosetta running x86 based games.

They demonstrated MacOS x86 games being run on the ARM based Mac.

Rosetta will not support any Windows based games.

Note: Some major games are ported over to the Mac but more then half the games are not (looking at the Steam store). Unless people are happy running simple Apple arcade games or the limited titles that get ported to MacOS, it's a net lose for gamers.

 

[Vjosullivan]

I wonder if it would be in Apple's strategic interest to collaborate with Microsoft on getting something resembling Rosetta up and running on Windows...

If that worked it would completely negate any need to buy Apple Macs.

 

[strayts]

So basically any Intel Mac is the new 2015 15" MacBook Pro.

 

[cmaier]

They demonstrated MacOS x86 games being run on the ARM based Mac.

Rosetta will not support any Windows based games.

Note: Some major games are ported over to the Mac but more then half the games are not (looking at the Steam store). Unless people are happy running simple Apple arcade games or the limited titles that get ported to MacOS, it's a net lose for gamers.

Ah, so he was talking about just not being able to run windows software. I didn't understand that from his post.

 

[boss.king]

They demonstrated MacOS x86 games being run on the ARM based Mac.

Rosetta will not support any Windows based games.

Note: Some major games are ported over to the Mac but more then half the games are not (looking at the Steam store). Unless people are happy running simple Apple arcade games or the limited titles that get ported to MacOS, it's a net lose for gamers.

To be fair, if games a big priority then a Mac has never been a great option.

 

[BaltimoreMediaBlog]

Not much insight into Boot Camp or running x86 Windows as it looks like both are just gone. Would have been nice if they said they had plans to try to make x86 emulation faster for virtual machines or something but guess that means they aren't. Reality must be the vast number of Mac users don't use Windows applications.

You'll hear the giant sucking sound when corporations abandon the Mac ecosystem in droves and marketshare drops precipitously back to the John Scully days.

 

[Sharewaredemon]

So we're losing Windows support AND a switch that will force us to lose or rebuy software?
How are we benefiting again?

Nice Sim Ant avatar!

 

[Plutonius]

To be fair, if games a big priority then a Mac has never been a great option.

True but for those that don't want to have two computers, it was an option.

 

[insoft.uk]

I think the transition to ARM is positive in many ways, but it will affect Apple in certain markets, specifically the Engineering Professional market, Macs are not good as they are for my line of work and now they will be further from attractive. Unless Apple finds ways for Engineering software providers to easily migrate and recompile their years of work I see them just dropping support for the ecosystem entirely.

nothing hard about recompiling software for ARM is not like it’s written in assembly like the old days, C,C++,Obj-C and Swift can be recompiled for any CPU quite easy

 

[jjhny]

Been Mac from the very beginning, but the writing is on the wall, this will further depreciate the Pro market, less software, etc. I already can't run a bunch of apps that are windows only. Now there will be even less. Apple is a consumer products company, they are barely a computer company - that is a fact. It makes me nauseous, but I might have to get a windows box and see what it is like. Also, Catalina really made me not trust their coding skills. Not happy - and I WAS very happy about the Intel change as many apps appeared on the scene. It is now Timmy and his tablet world.

 

[Plutonius]

You'll hear the giant sucking sound when corporations abandon the Mac ecosystem in droves and marketshare drops precipitously back to the John Scully days.

I don't think that Apple considers computer marketshare in businesses / corporations is as important.

I believe that Apple is all about iOS devices, services, and making computers that can surf the net and run Apple arcade.

 

[cmaier]

Been Mac from the very beginning, but the writing is on the wall, this will further depreciate the Pro market, less software, etc. I already can't run a bunch of apps that are windows only. Now there will be even less. Apple is a consumer products company, they are barely a computer company - that is a fact. It makes me nauseous, but I might have to get a windows box and see what it is like. Also, Catalina really made me not trust their coding skills. Not happy - and I WAS very happy about the Intel change as many apps appeared on the scene. It is now Timmy and his tablet world.

saying "that is a fact" does not make a false statement true.

Apple sells billions of dollars of computers a year.

 

[boss.king]

Been Mac from the very beginning, but the writing is on the wall, this will further depreciate the Pro market, less software, etc. I already can't run a bunch of apps that are windows only. Now there will be even less. Apple is a consumer products company, they are barely a computer company - that is a fact. It makes me nauseous, but I might have to get a windows box and see what it is like. Also, Catalina really made me not trust their coding skills. Not happy - and I WAS very happy about the Intel change as many apps appeared on the scene. It is now Timmy and his tablet world.

Catalina and iOS 13 were definitely a much shoddier experience than their past software, but let's not extrapolate that to become the rule for every release. Why don't we wait and see what actually happens with software support rather than panicking and decreeing this the end of the Mac for professionals?

 

[lunarworks]

If that worked it would completely negate any need to buy Apple Macs.

For Windows apps, not Mac apps.