Creating Problems For iPhone Hackers

[cridiron]

I use appulous as a way to test apps before I purchase as there is no way to demo apps before you buy them (save for lite versions some developers create).

Most of the time I end up buying the apps on the App Store that I previously had cracked verisons of because I like getting regular, free updates when they come out, not having to wait for someone to crack the new version.

Take 'Tweetie' for example. I never would have spent the $2.99 on it had I not been able to 'try' it out before. I had a cracked version and I liked it so much, I went ahead and bought it. In my mind, it stimulates purchases on the App Store.

 

[fleshman03]

That is the point...I'm redirecting them to the church scriptures. They thought they were downloading another type of app...and surprise, after waiting 15 minutes to download a fat (45Mb) app it isn't what you thought it would be.

So I've given this some thought and you are breaking the law via these actions.

Specifically, the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act - 18 U.S.C. § 1030 (a)(4).

...knowingly and with intent to defraud, accesses a protected computer without authorization, or exceeds authorized access, and by means of such conduct furthers the intended fraud...

You are exceeding your authorization to use their system to disseminate false information.

Should we forward this to the FBI?

 

[bytethese]

Since they're on a cracked iPhone, you have access to the entire iPhone system resources. Upgrade their baseband to 2.2.1 (I think it is) and they can't unlock their iPhone anymore....

Thus they can no longer load cracked apps on their iPhone!

Uh, I think you are confused man. Jailbreaking is not unlocking. They can have a jailbroken 2.2.1 iPhone and have upgraded their baseband to 2.30 and still install all the cracked apps they'd want to.

However, your idea is intriguing. Having the app perform some sort of action would seem possible on the device given that it is no longer required to run in a sandbox environment.

Please explain to me how doing what they are doing prevents you from doing what you're doing? If someone downloads an App from there, are you unable to sell your App? Whose to say that there is any actual loss of profit?

Tell that to the RIAA...

 

[wfiphone]

Uh, I think you are confused man. Jailbreaking is not unlocking. They can have a jailbroken 2.2.1 iPhone and have upgraded their baseband to 2.30 and still install all the cracked apps they'd want to.

However, your idea is intriguing. Having the app perform some sort of action would seem possible on the device given that it is no longer required to run in a sandbox environment.

Do you have to be jailbroken to use appulous and the other one?

 

[bytethese]

Do you have to be jailbroken to use appulous and the other one?

Yes.

 

[sd2009]

I support uploading fake IPAs to these sites which report pirate's UUIDs to devs so that they can block those UUIDs from using the apps Like Beejive.
Or yknow, wipe everything on the persons phone. They deserve it.

 

[fleshman03]

I support uploading fake IPAs to these sites which report pirate's UUIDs to devs so that they can block those UUIDs from using the apps Like Beejive.
Or yknow, wipe everything on the persons phone. They deserve it.

So do you support breaking all laws or just the ones you disagree with? Whose to say Devs that engage in this type of thing do not deserve what happens to them? Both parties are breaking the law...

Also worth noting that the Copyright code is Civil and the Computer Fraud and Abuse act is Criminal.

Copyright infringement can result in the awarding of Statutory Damages and a small period of Jail Time for large offenses. (Up to $150,000)

Computer Fraud and Abuse can result in up to 5 years in Prison, if only one section is broken. If more are violated, than the time jumps to 15+ years.

 

[sd2009]

So do you support breaking all laws or just the ones you disagree with? Whose to say Devs that engage in this type of thing do not deserve what happens to them?years.

Why would they deserve to have people steal their hard work? And there's nothing illegal about reporting a pirate's UUID.
If somebody is cheap enough to pirate 99 cent software, they deserve whatever they get from downloading it.
And to make it worse, most of the people you're stealing from are individual developers.
Devs, if you're pissed off with people stealing your hard work, fight back. What is some 15 year old kid going to do when he downloads a file, thinking he's pirating your app, and it turns out to wipe all his data and he needs to restore? He's going to sue? Haha yeah. "Hey I illegally downloaded this file and put it on my phone and I lost all my music". Yeah that's gonna hold up in court.

I'm not even a developer. There are just so many idiots on forums like these who try to justify their theft with retarded excuses.

*Waits for the "HEY GOOGLE LINKS TO ILLEGAL FILES TOO SO YOU SHOULD ARREST THEM TOO ZOMGZ!" response*

 

[Acronym]

I like the way you think.

Like, make it load the normal front page of the program, then pop up a note saying "Thanks for downloading cracked apps. Uploading e-mail passwords and address book to remote server now..."

I mean, if you can't enjoy your work, why do it at all?

better yet why not make an app that actualy takes thered passwords and such? what are they gonna do complain that this cracked app that they stole is stealing from them?

 

[gfer]

Why would they deserve to have people steal their hard work? And there's nothing illegal about reporting a pirate's UUID.
If somebody is cheap enough to pirate 99 cent software, they deserve whatever they get from downloading it.
And to make it worse, most of the people you're stealing from are individual developers.
Devs, if you're pissed off with people stealing your hard work, fight back. What is some 15 year old kid going to do when he downloads a file, thinking he's pirating your app, and it turns out to wipe all his data and he needs to restore? He's going to sue? Haha yeah. "Hey I illegally downloaded this file and put it on my phone and I lost all my music". Yeah that's gonna hold up in court.

I'm not even a developer. There are just so many idiots on forums like these who try to justify their theft with retarded excuses.

*Waits for the "HEY GOOGLE LINKS TO ILLEGAL FILES TOO SO YOU SHOULD ARREST THEM TOO ZOMGZ!" response*

So you are supporting the use of illegal ways to punish an illegal activity. That's not justice, it's vigilantism.

 

[sd2009]

better yet why not make an app that actualy takes thered passwords and such? what are they gonna do complain that this cracked app that they stole is stealing from them?

Now this, I would say was too far, but hey..I'm not planning to crack any apps so.. whatever, go for it.

And I'm not going to argue against laws. There are varying laws in different countries, some laws are stupid, some make a lot of sense, some are used for the wrong reasons, etc. who cares?

I'm not saying "arrest people who download cracked apps". If you want to do that – fine. But just know that a) what you are doing is morally wrong and hurts developers, and b) you will not have a leg to stand on if you download an app which wipes your phone, or something more malicious.

So I fully support those who wish to make it hard – or relatively dangerous – for people to steal others' work, especially in cases where it costs the developer money DIRECTLY, i.e, an app which users the developer's server like Beejive IM.

 

[Acronym]

Now this, I would say was too far, but hey..I'm not planning to crack any apps so.. whatever, go for it.

And I'm not going to argue against laws. There are varying laws in different countries, some laws are stupid, some make a lot of sense, some are used for the wrong reasons, etc. who cares?

I'm not saying "arrest people who download cracked apps". If you want to do that – fine. But just know that a) what you are doing is morally wrong and hurts developers, and b) you will not have a leg to stand on if you download an app which wipes your phone, or something more malicious.

So I fully support those who wish to make it hard – or relatively dangerous – for people to steal others' work, especially in cases where it costs the developer money DIRECTLY, i.e, an app which users the developer's server like Beejive IM.

yeah taht is why im not a mastermind against fighting evil or am i? muahahaha.... no im not i dont see why repoting there UUID's wouldnt work then they would be screwed on the real appstore and possibly worse. but then they will just stick to appulous and such.

 

[fleshman03]

Why would they deserve to have people steal their hard work? And there's nothing illegal about reporting a pirate's UUID.

They don't. And that is why it's a crime (not theft though...) I'm not arguing that it's not a crime. I would argue that the penalties don't fit the crime though...

If somebody is cheap enough to pirate 99 cent software, they deserve whatever they get from downloading it.

Really? You're prepared to defend that position, huh? So if someone breaks a law, that effects me, I should have the right to go after them and dish out "whatever they deserve?" We as a society have deemed fit for situations to be rectified until 17 USC § 502 - 510 Not Malicious code.

Devs, if you're pissed off with people stealing your hard work, fight back. What is some 15 year old kid going to do when he downloads a file, thinking he's pirating your app, and it turns out to wipe all his data and he needs to restore? He's going to sue? Haha yeah. "Hey I illegally downloaded this file and put it on my phone and I lost all my music". Yeah that's gonna hold up in court.

It's not up to him to sue. Unlike the Copyright statue, the Federal Government has an obligation to investigate, prosecute and incarcerate those who violate 18 U.S.C. § 1030.

But you believe two wrongs make a right?

I'm not even a developer. There are just so many idiots on forums like these who try to justify their theft with retarded excuses.

There are also too many idiots on forums who don't know the law governing situation like these and call on others to commit criminally illegal offenses. Not to mention supporting vigilantism.

 

[aok1975]

some developers deserve to be treated this after stealing from customers. My friend paid 20 bucks for g-maps east. The app was pretty rubish, but that's not the problem. The developer updated the app and removed some features. Without these features the app is even more crappy. They won't offer a refund. I hope their app gets cracked as hell.

 

[sd2009]

some developers deserve to be treated this after stealing from customers. My friend paid 20 bucks for g-maps east. The app was pretty rubish, but that's not the problem. The developer updated the app and removed some features. Without these features the app is even more crappy. They won't offer a refund. I hope their app gets cracked as hell.

So complain to Apple and get a refund. Don't try to use it as an excuse for piracy.

 

[sd2009]

They don't. And that is why it's a crime (not theft though...) I'm not arguing that it's not a crime. I would argue that the penalties don't fit the crime though...




Really? You're prepared to defend that position, huh? So if someone breaks a law, that effects me, I should have the right to go after them and dish out "whatever they deserve?" We as a society have deemed fit for situations to be rectified until 17 USC § 502 - 510 Not Malicious code.




It's not up to him to sue. Unlike the Copyright statue, the Federal Government has an obligation to investigate, prosecute and incarcerate those who violate 18 U.S.C. § 1030.

But you believe two wrongs make a right?



There are also too many idiots on forums who don't know the law governing situation like these and call on others to commit criminally illegal offenses. Not to mention supporting vigilantism.

A wiped iPhone is nothing more than an inconvenience. I'd understand if it was permanently disabling the iPhone, but no.

 

[fleshman03]

So complain to Apple and get a refund. Don't try to use it as an excuse for piracy.

What return policy?

A wiped iPhone is nothing more than an inconvenience. I'd understand if it was permanently disabling the iPhone, but no.

A virus on a computer is nothing more than an inconvenience. A wipe of the hard drive and fresh install of the OS will fix the problem. Nothing permeant.

 

[sd2009]

What return policy?



A virus on a computer is nothing more than an inconvenience. A wipe of the hard drive and fresh install of the OS will fix the problem. Nothing permeant.

Yeah it's exactly the same
You have a backup of your iPhone from the last time you synced. Your music is all on your computer, your contacts, apps, etc.

 

[184697]

better yet why not make an app that actually takes thered passwords and such? what are they gonna do complain that this cracked app that they stole is stealing from them?

Uploading fake apps and scaring free loaders is okay but adding in stuff to damage their phones or steal info from them is wrong no matter how you put it. Doing things like that make you no better than the pirates. If you fight back maliciously you will lose. Think back in the 90's(I think) when the isp's attacked the spammers. All the spammers got together and shut them down with I think was ping attacks.

No matter what you do with your apps someone will find a way of stealing it. However, some may actually buy it and acts as free advertising in a warped way.

I think the best course is to do what I mentioned earlier. Build a fake app that imitates like its sending all of your data to apple or some where or if that's too risky for you just display a message to scare them. This will bring the numbers down a bit and will make you feel kinda better--lol.

 

[koobcamuk]

So you are supporting the use of illegal ways to punish an illegal activity. That's not justice, it's vigilantism.

Why so serious?

 

[sd2009]

Why so serious?

Because he doesn't want us to ruin his pirating experience

Let me just say, I used to pirate software. If fake versions of pirated software wiped my files, I would have stopped way before I did. Also, if I wanted some software and the only option was to buy it, then I would. I almost came close to buying some software that I pirated back then (it was $99), but then I found a place to pirate it and so I downloaded it instead. I don't pirate software anymore, but I do know that the "they wouldn't buy it anyway" argument is bull****.
If piracy is easy, then lots of people will do it. The easier it becomes, the more people that will do it. The more people that do it, the more "accepted" it becomes, and people don't feel bad about it.

 

[fleshman03]

Yeah it's exactly the same
You have a backup of your iPhone from the last time you synced. Your music is all on your computer, your contacts, apps, etc.

OK. So?

It's the same point. You're wiping data that isn't yours to wipe. One could make the argument that several important business contacts were added to the address book after the last sync. As such wiping someone's phone could result in untold finical harm.


And uploading carp to other people's servers is simple to fix. A comment system? A Digg System?

Because he doesn't want us to ruin his pirating experience

Let me just say, I used to pirate software. If fake versions of pirated software wiped my files, I would have stopped way before I did. Also, if I wanted some software and the only option was to buy it, then I would. I almost came close to buying some software that I pirated back then (it was $99), but then I found a place to pirate it and so I downloaded it instead. I don't pirate software anymore, but I do know that the "they wouldn't buy it anyway" argument is bull****.
If piracy is easy, then lots of people will do it. The easier it becomes, the more people that will do it. The more people that do it, the more "accepted" it becomes, and people don't feel bad about it.

Aren't we all high and mighty. I've and will never Jay walked. But I do want to / support those who want to wipe the phones of those who do.

 

[sd2009]

One could make the argument that several important business contacts were added to the address book after the last sync. As such wiping someone's phone could result in untold finical harm.

A) Its likely that they would run this app after just pirating and installing it, so they would have just synced anyway

B) If they have important business contacts, they shouldn't be pirating cellphone apps in the first place. Cheap bastards. They deserve it.

Stop trying to defend your piracy, because there is no excuse for pirating iPhone apps.

 

[fleshman03]

A) Its likely that they would run this app after just pirating and installing it, so they would have just synced anyway

B) If they have important business contacts, they shouldn't be pirating cellphone apps in the first place. Cheap bastards. They deserve it.

Again, two wrongs make a right? Both parties are breaking the law.


Stop trying to defend your vanity. There's no excuse for such narcissism.

 

[sd2009]

Again, two wrongs make a right? Both parties are breaking the law.

Sue me.