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CrossOver Mac Beta Released!
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SOL, Spider, pinball, minesweeper... i have it all!
alright peeps....
check this out...
http://student.dcu.ie/~chans3/screen.jpg
only 0.70% CPU! not bad at all!
alright peeps....
check this out...
http://student.dcu.ie/~chans3/screen.jpg
only 0.70% CPU! not bad at all!
SiliconAddict said:Dude. Doing development testing in Crossover....how to say this without insulting anyone? Lets just say its not overly smart. If you are going to do platform development why would you do it on a half baked system like XO this at best is trying to spoof Windows's API? If you would be willing to go as far as to buy XO why wouldn't you just go a bit further and get VMWare or Parallels and KNOW that whatever you are working on...works.
I dunno, dude. You're being a bit excessively aggro in my opinion. I'm a Web developer; I've been testing out IE under Crossover, and I don't see anything wrong with the rendering engine, at the very least.
(I do see problems with Crossover itself...sometimes IE doesn't want to finish loading pages, but I assume this is beta stuff to be worked out.)
You're basically ignoring how some (many) developers work. I've got Apache under OS X running domains on my loopback IP. Parallels (and obviously Windows under Boot Camp) cannot see OS X's loopback IP, because they have their own. This means that my 'fake' domains are not viewable under Parallels.
So, for the beginning development cycle, when I am going through CSS/JavaScript test/reload routines ad nauseum, this is going to speed up development at LEAST 2x, because I won't have to upload to a server to view something under IE Windows. Would I consider the Crossover solution to be a final signoff that Windows is OK? No, but being able to view it like this will give me 99% certainty, and then I can just go to Parallels or a native PC near the end of the development process.
Open up your mind a bit before you bring the smackdown.
iChan said:
Dude, 813 seconds and you still haven't finished the BEGINNER level in MineSweeper?
I've finished EXPERT in less than half that time.
So, is there any particular reason why Microsoft won't sue these people for everything they have if they ever move higher than "garage business" status?
Why would Microsoft stand by and let people circumvent their operating system? What is Microsoft without Windows???
If there is some sort of "something" that prevents Microsoft from sueing, and Microsoft don't revert to other, less legal measures I say good luck to them! End forever the reign of Windows!
Pity about Vista and DX10's reliance on it.
Why would Microsoft stand by and let people circumvent their operating system? What is Microsoft without Windows???
If there is some sort of "something" that prevents Microsoft from sueing, and Microsoft don't revert to other, less legal measures
I say good luck to them! End forever the reign of Windows!Pity about Vista and DX10's reliance on it.
Erasmus said:So, is there any particular reason why Microsoft won't sue these people for everything they have if they ever move higher than "garage business" status?
Why would Microsoft stand by and let people circumvent their operating system? What is Microsoft without Windows???
If there is some sort of "something" that prevents Microsoft from sueing, and Microsoft don't revert to other, less legal measures
Pity about Vista and DX10's reliance on it.
Crossover is based on the open-source WINE project. WINE is a re-implementation of the Windows Application Programming Interface, based on observing the original Windows API.
Now, DMCA-wise, clean-room re-implementations are allowed. So, the WINE developers aren't really infringing on anything. They're not appropriating any Microsoft code, rather, they're observing how Microsoft code behaves, and writing their own to mimic that behaviour.
How well does Crossover handle already-installed Windows software?
I have a BootCamp partition, with an external firewire hard disk containing all the installed software. Will Crossover run those apps 'as-is' (barring the usual missing registry malarkey, which I can fix up myself). For example, rather than re-download Steam, can I simply launch it from the firewire drive using Crossover?
I have a BootCamp partition, with an external firewire hard disk containing all the installed software. Will Crossover run those apps 'as-is' (barring the usual missing registry malarkey, which I can fix up myself). For example, rather than re-download Steam, can I simply launch it from the firewire drive using Crossover?
mortey said:Ventrillo doesn't work. Thought I should let all Mac WOW players in on that
Use the Mac client and get your server admin to switch to the Speex codec - it's WAY better quality anyway
http://www.ventrilo.com/mac.php
sonictruth said:
This is soooo true. Quicken for Mac totally absolutely 100% truly really brutally totally a disgrace to mankind, and therefore Intuit is a disgrace too at least in my oppinion.
Quite!
I really think that this changes everything! Assuming those clever folks at Codeweavers can make it more stable and include the vast majority of Windows applications then you absolutely get the best of both worlds. The stable, smart, intuitive interface (Mac OS X) for backing up, connecting to the internet, (eventually) networking, doing all the nitty gritty and then running whatever programs you want on it. Unix/Linux/Mac/Windows etc.
If this really works, it's surely incomparably better than putting another operating system on top. In the short term while computers continue to be like they are now, it kind of ends the debate on which OS to use or invest in. You are liberated to buy the machine that in your opinion looks the best, is best built, is most reliable and the best value to you at your price point. (answer we would hope is an Apple machine everytime!).
But it does almost introduce complete choice and freedom to the market. I wonder if there is (pardon my ignorance) a move the other way? (Though why on earth you would want it is a moot point). For those that LOVE windows OS machines, but must run iLife and iWork!
It appears completely win win for Apple. And I would think slightly concerning for Microsoft, who have been selling their software largely on the back of the installed base and "huge range" of available software. I suspect with the gradual but perceptible rise of Open Office (and similar) as well as platform independent stuff from Google, that the behemoth that is the MS Office suite will become irrelevant and mourned only by those that run expensive courses in how to get the best out of it. And what would really be the terrible downside if software developers stopped having to develop platform specific applications? They could better spend their development resources on just making one feature-rich bug-free product, that runs on any ('universal?') OS.
Of course I guess in the longer term the OS becomes ever more invisible. But that's for later!
(PS why on earth would anyone want to install the Codeweavers thing to run IE?, surely the range of other faster better non-IE browser options that run on Mac OS X are preferable? - [edit] sorry, apart from web designers, although I've always found the only way to reliably check how websites work in IE on windows machine is to check them on a windows machine, even VPC never quite made them look absolutely the same for me, I used to have an old rubbish dell in the corner for such a purpose).
Multimedia said:Here's Your Holy Grail.
I really think that this changes everything! Assuming those clever folks at Codeweavers can make it more stable and include the vast majority of Windows applications then you absolutely get the best of both worlds. The stable, smart, intuitive interface (Mac OS X) for backing up, connecting to the internet, (eventually) networking, doing all the nitty gritty and then running whatever programs you want on it. Unix/Linux/Mac/Windows etc.
If this really works, it's surely incomparably better than putting another operating system on top. In the short term while computers continue to be like they are now, it kind of ends the debate on which OS to use or invest in. You are liberated to buy the machine that in your opinion looks the best, is best built, is most reliable and the best value to you at your price point. (answer we would hope is an Apple machine everytime!).
But it does almost introduce complete choice and freedom to the market. I wonder if there is (pardon my ignorance) a move the other way? (Though why on earth you would want it is a moot point). For those that LOVE windows OS machines, but must run iLife and iWork!
It appears completely win win for Apple. And I would think slightly concerning for Microsoft, who have been selling their software largely on the back of the installed base and "huge range" of available software. I suspect with the gradual but perceptible rise of Open Office (and similar) as well as platform independent stuff from Google, that the behemoth that is the MS Office suite will become irrelevant and mourned only by those that run expensive courses in how to get the best out of it. And what would really be the terrible downside if software developers stopped having to develop platform specific applications? They could better spend their development resources on just making one feature-rich bug-free product, that runs on any ('universal?') OS.
Of course I guess in the longer term the OS becomes ever more invisible. But that's for later!
(PS why on earth would anyone want to install the Codeweavers thing to run IE?, surely the range of other faster better non-IE browser options that run on Mac OS X are preferable? - [edit] sorry, apart from web designers, although I've always found the only way to reliably check how websites work in IE on windows machine is to check them on a windows machine, even VPC never quite made them look absolutely the same for me, I used to have an old rubbish dell in the corner for such a purpose).
...and as I mentioned in my previous post it runs like a dog through Rosetta on my Macbookyoshiii said:
i disagree.. IE runs, yes. it's the geek WOW moment that appears in the first few seconds. after that, you will notice, that font spacing is different to real windows. font size is maybe some sort of ignored, but better as in darwine.
for me as webdesigner, it is impossible to use that tool, because of the rendering which is not 100% correct.
after crashing crossover a few times i really have to say that it -can- be become a great product, but it's still a long way to get there.
for me as webdesigner, it is impossible to use that tool, because of the rendering which is not 100% correct.
after crashing crossover a few times i really have to say that it -can- be become a great product, but it's still a long way to get there.
Has anyone succesfully installed games? Please say which ones and if it needed special tweaking.
Thanks
Thanks
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So far I have installed Steam and CS 1.6 on my MacBook Pro, but i couldnt get into any servers at first, it kept saying that the game type didnt match the server. But, if you right click on the server, and get the ip, then go into console and type connect ip address; it will connect and you can play. Hope this helps some folks.
So far I have installed Steam and CS 1.6 on my MacBook Pro, but i couldnt get into any servers at first, it kept saying that the game type didnt match the server. But, if you right click on the server, and get the ip, then go into console and type connect ip address; it will connect and you can play. Hope this helps some folks.
Not in this thread yet-
Why doesn't apple just support .exe files into leopord and be done with it? No third party- no bs-???? That's what we want anyway right? I can't think of a 'good' reason why they won't do that- Unless, there are legal problems with doing so...
Why doesn't apple just support .exe files into leopord and be done with it? No third party- no bs-???? That's what we want anyway right? I can't think of a 'good' reason why they won't do that- Unless, there are legal problems with doing so...
How the Leopard Changed its Spots
How the Leopard Changed its Spots
I can so picture the Introduction Keynote for Leopard in the Spring. This same type of implementation is going to be given the most classic of treatment by the sales god that is Steve Jobs. Building it at the core of the OS, working out all the bugs... Apple needs till Spring but then: BOOM! The hammer is gonna fall and I can't wait to see the smug look on Steve's face!
"You know, one big question through the ages has been 'Can the Leopard change its spots?' And today, I believe I have the answer. Yes. Yes it can. Introducing, Leopard OS X 10.5. You can now run Windows applications (without Windows) seemlessly right out of the box."
:: Huge grin : Massive applause ::
How the Leopard Changed its Spots
I can so picture the Introduction Keynote for Leopard in the Spring. This same type of implementation is going to be given the most classic of treatment by the sales god that is Steve Jobs. Building it at the core of the OS, working out all the bugs... Apple needs till Spring but then: BOOM! The hammer is gonna fall and I can't wait to see the smug look on Steve's face!
"You know, one big question through the ages has been 'Can the Leopard change its spots?' And today, I believe I have the answer. Yes. Yes it can. Introducing, Leopard OS X 10.5. You can now run Windows applications (without Windows) seemlessly right out of the box."
:: Huge grin : Massive applause ::
mlochm said:
Probably because they are Windows Executable files? It is not easy to just execute different file types without an API for them. Wine (Crossover) is trying to implement their own .DLL files (which make most files in Windows run) to act like those found in Windows. Since they aren't the exact ones, and some programs rely heavily on Windows resources, some won't work.
Apple could bundle Darwine/Crossover with OS X, but as you can see, it doesn't work that great. There's no easy way around this, other than just virtualizing Windows in Parallels or VMWare.
Chaszmyr said:
Diablo 2 runs perfectly well on Mac OS X...it even comes on the same CDs as the Windows version!
Out of all the programs one might want to test using CrossOver, D2 would be the last that would come to mind.
displaced said:
Simple "installed" Windows software (i.e., programs that live entirely in Program Files) should work as well as if they were installed through CrossOver.
Because:
1) It would kill native software development. Why would anyone use, say, Mac Office instead of Windows Office if the former "just worked" on OS X?
2) It's hard. The WINE (and ReactOS) folks have been working on this for well over a decade, and they've only got a handful of non-trivial programs to run well. On a side note, although CrossOver Mac is a beta product, you can't expect compatibility of the final to somehow be better than the Linux version's currently is. It's just a port.