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CrossOver Mac Beta Released!
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I don't know that the native software development issue would be a vaild one- I would think that software developers would applaud the idea of only having to make one set of code (what difference does it make to Apple if the end user is satisfied?)- and one could argue that the existing workaround solutions may pose a similar threat to native software development when softwares become complex enough to pose a serious financial and or time/resource investment? Or am I just off base in my thinking?
Who exactly are the WINE folks? are they Apple people? Please forgive my ignorance... I'm not really up to date with all the acronyms...
eMagius said:
I don't know that the native software development issue would be a vaild one- I would think that software developers would applaud the idea of only having to make one set of code (what difference does it make to Apple if the end user is satisfied?)- and one could argue that the existing workaround solutions may pose a similar threat to native software development when softwares become complex enough to pose a serious financial and or time/resource investment? Or am I just off base in my thinking?
Who exactly are the WINE folks? are they Apple people? Please forgive my ignorance... I'm not really up to date with all the acronyms...
can someone please explain how I would be able to insall:
internet explorer
and whatever files to run a little visual basic program?
i need IE on there because it reads through IE...
this would be amazing if someone could let me know
internet explorer
and whatever files to run a little visual basic program?
i need IE on there because it reads through IE...
this would be amazing if someone could let me know
Bonte said:
I'm gonna have to second that. I honestly don't consider the seconds saved worth the possibility of something ravaging my Mac Hard Drive, especially not when a reboot into windows takes little over 30 seconds and leaves my Mac OS X HD out of reach of vicious beasties.
SPUY767 said:
Extremely unlikely. A virus infecting a Windows app is expecting a Windows OS in which to do its work, and none exists here. See post 169 on page 7 for more as well as Crossover's own info at
http://www.codeweavers.com/beta/cxmac/forum/?t=1;msg=79
There are many time that a reboot for me would be a pain in the butt because I have so many applications and files open which I am working on and switching around.
eMagius said:
Good stuff. Looks like I can point Crossover to my existing Program Files folder and work from there. It should be possible to work around missing DLL's - I'm guessing Crossover's 'bottles' have their own Windows\System32-like layout where support files such as DLL's live, so I can manually populate that with files required by my existing apps. Failing that, Windows always searches the folder containing the EXE for any required DLL's before looking in the system folders, so I can stick the required files in with the EXE.
Looking forward to getting home and trying this out!
I downloaded the .exe setup file for ActiveSync 4.2, but I can't seem to get it to actually write to the bottle when installing. Has anyone else gotten it to work? It would be nice to connect with my SDA.
Many thanks,
OA
Many thanks,
OA
MyDreamApp
Even though I know CodeWeavers started on this well before The MyDreamApp site appeared ... it was interesting to see that nearly 1/4 of all the app suggestions were pointing to this kind of application.
Even though I know CodeWeavers started on this well before The MyDreamApp site appeared ... it was interesting to see that nearly 1/4 of all the app suggestions were pointing to this kind of application.
Hit me with the diigits
Throw some numbers at us - I'm rather curious about this myself. I'm planning a Mac Pro purchase sometime next year-ish, and it will be nice to know I won't have to reboot to play my games.
macroman said:I get running the windows Quake 3 Arena over crosover using one no-cd patchit's running on a mac mini core duo 1.66Ghz and it workd really good and fast it surprises me
Throw some numbers at us - I'm rather curious about this myself. I'm planning a Mac Pro purchase sometime next year-ish, and it will be nice to know I won't have to reboot to play my games.
Well I tried the Garmin MapSource (Windows only) for my GPS device, but no luck installing.
The only two main programs I'd need Windows for are MapSource and perhaps MS Project.
The only two main programs I'd need Windows for are MapSource and perhaps MS Project.
Don't get your hopes up ! ! !
I have been patiently waiting for the release of this product for some time now. (fingers crossed) I downloaded the beta application and installed with no problems (outside of being a little slow). My biggest concern was the use of Internet Explorer. During the installation I decided to see what apps have been tested to work, IE 7 was known not to work, no big deal IE 6 received a silver rating on operation. After the install you are greeted with choices of applications you wish to install. I chose IE 6. Installation again went OK and
I was really surprised to see IE boot up in it Windows looking environment (UI) with the OS X window surrounding it. MSN website loaded extemely quick considering, but here is where all problems started, I tried several websites with some loaded slow to some loading.....well......I'm still waiting..... Please don't ask me, "why IE" instead of another browser.....Its primarily to due too one site specifically using .net programming and no other browser works when it comes to importing gps information from the server to the web browser.......trust me I have tried all of them (IE 5.3, Safari,Firefox, Camino, Opera, Netscape....ect.) the do not work.
After reading the supported apps list I can see the media and Codeweavers are trying to boost the public's hopes with over two thousand apps on thier compatibility table.......after going over "ALL" of them......you will find that maybe twenty five apps (out of over 2000) do not have "unsupported" written next to them. I know its a beta and I'm not going to give up on CodeWeavers, but this application would not warrant buying an Intel Mac as Boot Camp or Parallels would, and at this early stage I wouldn't even invest the money to pre-order the app. I do hope that some day this programming evolves, I really like the concept, but for now I'm sticking with Parallels for Mac, it is by far the best choice going at this time. And please excuse my ability to write properly for I am no journalist by far.
I have been patiently waiting for the release of this product for some time now. (fingers crossed) I downloaded the beta application and installed with no problems (outside of being a little slow). My biggest concern was the use of Internet Explorer. During the installation I decided to see what apps have been tested to work, IE 7 was known not to work, no big deal IE 6 received a silver rating on operation. After the install you are greeted with choices of applications you wish to install. I chose IE 6. Installation again went OK and
I was really surprised to see IE boot up in it Windows looking environment (UI) with the OS X window surrounding it. MSN website loaded extemely quick considering, but here is where all problems started, I tried several websites with some loaded slow to some loading.....well......I'm still waiting..... Please don't ask me, "why IE" instead of another browser.....Its primarily to due too one site specifically using .net programming and no other browser works when it comes to importing gps information from the server to the web browser.......trust me I have tried all of them (IE 5.3, Safari,Firefox, Camino, Opera, Netscape....ect.) the do not work.
After reading the supported apps list I can see the media and Codeweavers are trying to boost the public's hopes with over two thousand apps on thier compatibility table.......after going over "ALL" of them......you will find that maybe twenty five apps (out of over 2000) do not have "unsupported" written next to them. I know its a beta and I'm not going to give up on CodeWeavers, but this application would not warrant buying an Intel Mac as Boot Camp or Parallels would, and at this early stage I wouldn't even invest the money to pre-order the app. I do hope that some day this programming evolves, I really like the concept, but for now I'm sticking with Parallels for Mac, it is by far the best choice going at this time. And please excuse my ability to write properly for I am no journalist by far.
coconn06 said:Diablo 2 runs perfectly well on Mac OS X...it even comes on the same CDs as the Windows version!
Out of all the programs one might want to test using CrossOver, D2 would be the last that would come to mind.
Diablo 2 runs perfectly well on PowerPC Macs, it does not run perfectly well on Intel Macs.
i have a couple just regular .exe files - how would i get them to run under crossover? like - would i just drag-drop them in and just open them from within the program file (of crossover)? or do they have to be "installed" somehow?
Quicken 2007
Quicken 2007 installs but the interface is missing elements and the color scheme makes it hard to read many labels. The performance is horrible - even on a Mac Pro Quad 3.0 with 6 GB RAM! However, their database claims that earlier versions of Quicken actually do work reasonably well, although there are some interface glitches - but these reports may really be from the LINUX experience rather than Mac.
Check out the Codeweaver forum:
http://www.codeweavers.com/beta/cxmac/forum/
sonictruth said:
Quicken 2007 installs but the interface is missing elements and the color scheme makes it hard to read many labels. The performance is horrible - even on a Mac Pro Quad 3.0 with 6 GB RAM! However, their database claims that earlier versions of Quicken actually do work reasonably well, although there are some interface glitches - but these reports may really be from the LINUX experience rather than Mac.
Check out the Codeweaver forum:
http://www.codeweavers.com/beta/cxmac/forum/
To be honest, I don't see a massive improvement with this over Darwine (except CrossOver hides it's X11 roots better), which isn't that surprising as both derive from the Wine Project. It's interesting as a technical achievement but a long, long way off from being ready for prime time: Fonts are all over the place and performance is woeful compared to the same apps running under parallels. For me, this gets 2/10 (for effort only) and I certainly won't be rushing out to buy it - Parallels is a far better solution for my needs
Quicken
I installed Quicken 2004 on a MacBook a few weeks ago using a Crossover alpha, because a picky member of my family recent switcher could not stand the shortcomings of Quicken for Mac 2006, and she was amazed and delighted by the functionality and speed of Quicken 2004. At that time, Quicken 2006 was not useable with the alpha versions, but I'd like to give that a shot now. I would not expect Quicken 2007 would necessarily work for a while.
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Neurorad said:
I installed Quicken 2004 on a MacBook a few weeks ago using a Crossover alpha, because a picky member of my family recent switcher could not stand the shortcomings of Quicken for Mac 2006, and she was amazed and delighted by the functionality and speed of Quicken 2004. At that time, Quicken 2006 was not useable with the alpha versions, but I'd like to give that a shot now. I would not expect Quicken 2007 would necessarily work for a while.
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As a would-be switcher to Mac/Intel (waiting for the Merom/MBP), I would like to know how people got on with some non-game applications. I do most of my work using LaTeX (for which there are several good implementations in OSX, I'm told), but there are all those little things, like visio drawings, which require windows. In particular, information regarding Matlab, Maple, Mathematica would be most welcomed. If someone can be bothere to do it, there are some readily available trial versions.
As for the parallels option -- can it boot a bootcamp xp partition, the way vmware does?
As for the parallels option -- can it boot a bootcamp xp partition, the way vmware does?
Steve1496 said:
Just commenting on the fact that earlier this year, it took a very long time for some of the best programmers and/or hackers to make Windows run on a Mac, just bare bones, no graphics support, or anything else, really, which was extremely difficult to install.
About a week later, Apple released their almost perfect Boot Camp, with full graphics acceleration, and installation that is (apparently) extremely simple and intuitive.
Never underestimate Apple's programmers.
I have serious doubts that Apple would ever try and completely overthrow Microsoft by doing this, but I see no reason why Apple couldn't do this if they really wanted to (especially if using "Wine" is completely legally watertight).
Erasmus said:
The big problem is that Wine is far from complete - it's been in development for years and is still a long way off being ready for production use, IMO. If Apple used Wine as the basis for a solution integrated into OSX they'd be setting themselves up for a massive fall: People may accept patchy performance and low compatibility percentages from a company releasing a third party product, but they would not accept it as part of the OS. The other option for Apple would be to finalise (or completely redevelop) Wine or develop a Wine alternative. When you think that Wine is basically a clean room re-write of much of the Windows APIs and underlying infrastructure it becomes clear that this would be a huge, huge undertaking (look how long MS have taken to release Vista and they're not even starting from scratch!) and personally I'd rather see Apple concentrate their efforts on OSX rather than try and develop a half baked solution to run Windows programs when several fully working solutions already exist.
seashellz said:
Actually you are dead wrong. As a software developer myself, I can say DR is NOT their transaction agent. They are their distributor. Just like CompUSA has to charge you sales tax when you buy and they have a retail presence, the same with DR. Same with the "archive forever" thing. ALL the online distributors are doing it and we software publishers have no way around it if we use those distributors.
Now I personally have both a merchant account with a direct store for my software - AND I sell my software at distributors like Handango and others that have this stupid archive fee. I can't remove that fee nor can I disable it by default.
Getting over on the IRS ?
I really dislike paying taxes as well as the next guy, but don't even try and think of cheating the good ole IRS out of thier share. If you live in a state where sales tax is present, then you will, and should pay the tax regardless of where you bought something. If it bothers you so much, then my suggestion is move to a state where there is no sales tax, or maybe set up a PO box and have all incoming mail forwarded to your place of residence. Maybe you have an old friend or family member living in such a state, have them purchase (possibly with your money that is) and have them gift it to you. Sounds like to much work ?
I really dislike paying taxes as well as the next guy, but don't even try and think of cheating the good ole IRS out of thier share. If you live in a state where sales tax is present, then you will, and should pay the tax regardless of where you bought something. If it bothers you so much, then my suggestion is move to a state where there is no sales tax, or maybe set up a PO box and have all incoming mail forwarded to your place of residence. Maybe you have an old friend or family member living in such a state, have them purchase (possibly with your money that is) and have them gift it to you. Sounds like to much work ?