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jwhite.cw said:
We *are* the Wine team. We do the bulk of the heavy lifting on Wine,
and $60 is how we buy bread and water and pay the electric bills.

And when it works, Wine is much nicer than dual booting, and a non OEM
copy of Windows is $200, not $85...

I don't have an Intel Mac yet, but back in my Linux days I preferred the Wine and/or Crossover solution (even though it wasn't very mature back then) to launching a full-blown VMware session for most things. The first Crossover product IIRC was a browser plugin that let you run Netscape (Windows) plugins like Quicktime and Shockwave. Before that, you had to launch a VMware session just to browse many websites! I think it was $25 or $30, but I was happy to pay it.

I messed around with stock Wine back then, and really - it wasn't pretty. It was hard to get *anything* to run, and the programs that would work were usually 1, 2, or more major versions behind. It's obvious Codeweavers has put a huge amount of work into improving the Wine codebase over the past few years.

I will gladly pay the $60 price - it's just that first I have to come up with the $2000 for a Mac Book Pro. :p It's too bad my G4 Powerbook just keeps chugging along.
 
frankblundt said:
For myself, i'll be looking at some form of Windows on the Mac solution purely to run IE6 and 5, for testing websites in the browser/platform environment used by the overwhelming majority of users. IE5 for mac bears almost no relation to the other versions of IE (or any other browser) in terms of it's rendering of web pages, and Safari, Firefox etc are way too standards compliant to be any kind of guide as to the visitor experience of ones site if they visit using IE on Windows.

I'm currently running VPC which is a dog, and will gladly move to any more workable solution once i'm on an intel Mac

Dude. Doing development testing in Crossover....how to say this without insulting anyone? Lets just say its not overly smart. If you are going to do platform development why would you do it on a half baked system like XO this at best is trying to spoof Windows's API? If you would be willing to go as far as to buy XO why wouldn't you just go a bit further and get VMWare or Parallels and KNOW that whatever you are working on...works. :confused:
 
architectural apps...

anyone get Autodesk Revit, VIZ, 3d StudioMax running?
other than the post about AutoCAD not really working (except for v. 2000) nobody has said anything.

it would be FANTASTIC to know that i can soon ditch this p.o.s. dell...like a few posters have said, these apps are the ONLY thing holding us back from Macs but they are HUGE in terms of getting architectural work done.

p.s. i know about archicad and vectorworks but in the end, a BIM modeler (Revit) with a kick@ss rendering engine (VIZ, 3d StudioMax) is the workflow that makes $.

j
 
jmerk said:
anyone get Autodesk Revit, VIZ, 3d StudioMax running?
other than the post about AutoCAD not really working (except for v. 2000) nobody has said anything.

it would be FANTASTIC to know that i can soon ditch this p.o.s. dell...like a few posters have said, these apps are the ONLY thing holding us back from Macs but they are HUGE in terms of getting architectural work done.

p.s. i know about archicad and vectorworks but in the end, a BIM modeler (Revit) with a kick@ss rendering engine (VIZ, 3d StudioMax) is the workflow that makes $.

j
Your best bet is gonna be Bootcamp or Parallels (if and when they figure out hardware 3d acceleration). My guess is that most current 3d-heavy apps (e.g. Revit, 3dSM, Rhino) will not work well under WINE.

Anyways, you can check out the compatibility database yourself:

http://appdb.winehq.org/appbrowse.php?iCatId=59

Your best BIM option is probably Microstation (I think they have a Mac version BTW).
 
Again, I question the security of such programs. Could it be possible that malware will run or does crossover only allow specific programs to work?
If malware could run, could those Windows programs actually write to a Mac hard drive and corrupt/destroy it?
How about dll files? Do these get scattered like they do on a windows machine? I suppose spotlight will make it easy to find and delete them all.
Sorry if I'm asking too many (stupid) questions...
 
OS X Install CD

OK, my install CD is an hour away from where I'm staying. Does anybody know if there's a way to install quartz-wm some other way?
 
Doctor Q said:
If you have Photoshop, why not run the Mac version?

They didn't port CS 2 for Mac I think. The windows version is newer than the Mac version. Just installed CS2 over Crossover, works nice. Wayyyyy better than CS1 under Rosetta, and I have 2 GiB RAM. It even loads photoshop faster if you run it under crossover.

Now how abut a Mac OSX emulator running in a Crossover window, running Parallels running Windows, etc... I wonder how many layers of emulation you could have to run an app that is native on the system anyway. :p
 
MrCrowbar said:
Now how abut a Mac OSX emulator running in a Crossover window, running Parallels running Windows, etc... I wonder how many layers of emulation you could have to run an app that is native on the system anyway. :p
It's hilarious when people do things like that, especially when it actually works! And it couldn't be as slow as MAE, the Mac environment that used to run under Sun Microsystems Sun OS.
 
MrCrowbar said:
They didn't port CS 2 for Mac I think. The windows version is newer than the Mac version. Just installed CS2 over Crossover, works nice. Wayyyyy better than CS1 under Rosetta, and I have 2 GiB RAM. It even loads photoshop faster if you run it under crossover.
Hmmm. I wasn't able to install the CS2 trial for Photoshop *or* InDesign in a Win2000 bottle. Any tricks you care to share?
 
oh my gawd...

I forced/dragged my PC-centric friend to an Apple store, because she lost use of her laptop-(ex-girlfriend took it back,) to skeptically buy a black Intel 2.0 Macbook.
When she saw the handsome black slab of Macbook, and then Garage Band, she had he Credit card out so quick that my head was spinning.
The sales bozo there didnt even know how to operate GB, so just ran demo loops, while trying to push .mac and applecare down her throat.
And I was trying to get a word in edgewise to show her the actual instruments. and mixing board, and how they worked.
So she was impressed, and necessarily so, that XP could run on the system.

I informed her about dual boot vs. the Paralells solution, and she opted for Paralells. I already had a copy of XP Pro from school;
It did flawlessly update to SP 2 and then I had to manually add the 300 other patches and security updates. There should be an SP 3 disc by now.

But most important-I should have waited one more week for WINE. Damn.

THE ONLY THING SHE NEEDS XP FOR IS MSIE 6!

She is a realtor, and the Realtors MLS page is written for XP/MSIE 6 only, which is a MUST for her to use everyday. (Oddly enough, the now defunct CamiTools for Camino, when set to 'fool' other sites into thinking that it was MSIE 6 actually worked-about 90%-of the way in-but she needed the whole 100% that MSIE 6 gave her.) Some Mac emulator called CITRIX, was suggested by the Realtor board..

Had we waited a week. we could have spent $40 (and their great deal, and she wouldnt have had to muck her Mac up with XP-all except for IE.
Damn.

And BEWARE! those guys at PARALLELS are sneaky.

IF you are not paying attention, they have already slyly slippped some kind of "archive forever" service (what a joke!) into your shopping cart, for an extra wad of cash- and YOU have to delete it-I almost passed my attention to delete.

They then charged us 9% Washington state sales tax-even thought they are in Virginia-where we downloaded it directly from.
I asked them via email, what presence they had in Washington state, to justify the tax.

Their claim was that 'Digital River' their e-commerce handler, had a presence in our state, so they could legally charge it.
I call bullsh*t.
I didnt buy it from Digital River in Minnesota-I bought it from them in Virginia. DR is simply their transaction agent

That kind of sneaky disrespect for customers riles me-its a small amount, my friend was already skeptical of even spending $80, let alone- the $88 odd something it came to, but to pull those kind of low crap tricks made me lose all respect for them...
And they are likely telling all their customers the same story, so 6-19% tax multiplied by the hundreds or thousands of customers-it adds up.

It seems to work well enough, but gawd-think of the space we could have saved had we waited for WINE... she could have just downloaded MSIE and maybe Frontpage-although she thought Appleworks was very similar.
Ahhhhhhghhhh!
 
deputy_doofy said:
Again, I question the security of such programs. Could it be possible that malware will run or does crossover only allow specific programs to work?
If malware could run, could those Windows programs actually write to a Mac hard drive and corrupt/destroy it?
Currently known Windows malware will have no effect. Yes, it may "run," but it can do little or nothing contained in this virtual environment. If you're really concerned, you can run CrossOver Mac from a non-admin account, and any potential damage would definitely be limited to documents in that account. The Codeweavers site is down right now, probably due to heavy downloading, but there is a FAQ which explains this much better than I can.

How about dll files? Do these get scattered like they do on a windows machine?
No, all the bottles, files and programs you install are contained in the ~/library/Application Support/Crossover folder except for the CrossOver application itself in your Applications folder.

[EDIT: see this link... http://os.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=05/01/25/1430222&from=rss ]
 
cloudnine said:
Why would you even think of installing internet explorer? meh :(

baby jesus just cried a bit...

Because i'm a web developer and need to make sure my sites are accessible for the other 85% of the world. ;)
 
SiliconAddict said:
Dude. Doing development testing in Crossover....how to say this without insulting anyone? Lets just say its not overly smart. If you are going to do platform development why would you do it on a half baked system like XO this at best is trying to spoof Windows's API? If you would be willing to go as far as to buy XO why wouldn't you just go a bit further and get VMWare or Parallels and KNOW that whatever you are working on...works. :confused:
Dude. Are you saying that IE6 will render HTML/CSS differently than under Parallels?

I do the main testing for Windows in Windows surprisingly enough, but it'd be nice to have a convenient means to quickly check whether the CSS bodges to W3C standards for floats, margins and padding etc are working as intended in IE6 without having to run another box, reboot or overload the system by running VPC or any other actual Windows on the machine i'm working on.

If you know it doesn't, I'd obviously like to know. How half baked is it exactly? It apparently won't do some things like save favourites or history that require access to storage and other things that require access to the wider system, but will it not render as normal (or at least normal for IE)?

I've not tried XO. I don't have an Intel Mac so I've got some time yet to get overly smarter. Can you help?
 
seashellz said:
They then charged us 9% Washington state sales tax-even thought they are in Virginia-where we downloaded it directly from.
I asked them via email, what presence they had in Washington state, to justify the tax.

Their claim was that 'Digital River' their e-commerce handler, had a presence in our state, so they could legally charge it.
I call bullsh*t.
I didnt buy it from Digital River in Minnesota-I bought it from them in Virginia. DR is simply their transaction agent

That kind of sneaky disrespect for customers riles me-its a small amount, my friend was already skeptical of even spending $80, let alone- the $88 odd something it came to, but to pull those kind of low crap tricks made me lose all respect for them...
And they are likely telling all their customers the same story, so 6-19% tax multiplied by the hundreds or thousands of customers-it adds up.

Ahhhhhhghhhh!

Adds up to what, exactly? Money that Parallels is bound to pay over to the state? At most, they get to keep the interest on that 9% until they pay it over to the state, but that's hardly going to make them a fortune.
 
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