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Have you tried one on? I think the watch looks thicker than it is, or appears when worn. The ads do a disservice in that respect for those for whom it's a concern. I actually like it for my needs, but I also don't wear it everyday. I have to say one reason Apple needs to change the form factor is because, even at 30 million watches, there's enough out there that they need more diversity. A different color metal or watch band doesn't do enough to alleviate the clone-like effect the watch is starting to evoke, made worse by the clean simple lines.

At first people were attracted to the sensation of the newness and curious onlookers would admire it for that reason. It's so commonplace now that it's starting to lose any appeal as as a unique statement of an individuals style. Wristwesr has always been that. Now it's taking on a sterile mass-produced quality that gave digital watches a bad name in the first place.

So time for a change. Round, thinner, more details, whatever, just stop flooding the market with more of the same cookie-cutter watches, that communicate more of a corporate ideology than individual personality.

I think those that decry that Apple will never make a square watch because of the developer UI hurtles, are still thinking of the watch as another Apple computing device with a display. The reality is, this is Apple's first wearable, which changes the way people perceive it. It can't be 100% ergonomically functional as a computing device, as it has to take into consideration the individual customers taste and style in consort with how they otherwise adore their bodies. In terms of maintaining the current functionality of the watch, a round design would make the greatest impact in offering something completely different to its customers in terms of personal choice -- but it doesn't have to be that radical.

Clearly Apple is at the point where they don't need the watch to advertise itself as an Apple product. So they can change the design in such a way that it doesn't look uniquely Apple, but instead embrace details which will help individuals distance themselves from the masses, in turn making it more attractive to customers who have not jumped on the bandwagon, yet still encompass the hallmarks that define it as an Apple product.

I think Apple understands this, or they would have never offered the Edition, Series 1 or 2. The simple fact is people wear things that don't often service practicality. Stilleto heels for instance. Hard to imagine wearing an Apple Watch with a pair of those actually. Men are a little more practical, but I also see that trend sliding, particularly among young men, with calf high pant lengths, etc. At a certain point then, Apple hits a wall by cranking out the same design and hoping people come around. While that works with iPads, and Macs, and even iPhones, people don't wear those. A black square glass slab, in a square metal case, on a colored band, like everybody else's, isn't going to work for likely a majority of people, no matter what it does for them.

I agree with all this.

There needs to be more differentiation for the Watch, besides having relatively simplistic style options like straps and body metal type.

It would be nice if Apple took inspiration from different types of chronographs and came out with distinct Watch lines. Wearing a watch is still about making a statement, and it's hard to do that when everyone else has the same watch that you do (not just brand).

Personally, I love Swiss chronograph/aviator type watches (like Breitling). I'd buy an Apple Watch in an aviator style design in a heartbeat.
 
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I agree with all this.

There needs to be more differentiation for the Watch, besides having relatively simplistic style options like straps and body metal type.

It would be nice if Apple took inspiration from different types of chronographs and came out with distinct Watch lines. Wearing a watch is still about making a statement, and it's hard to do that when everyone else has the same watch that you do (not just brand).

Personally, I love Swiss chronograph/aviator type watches (like Breitling). I'd buy an Apple Watch in an aviator style design in a heartbeat.

This kind of comment will always puzzle me. Apple Watch offers more configurations and combinations than any product Apple has ever made, and by far. So much so it must be a bit of an inventory nightmare. Yet for some still inadequate

Also, don't assume that wearing a watch is about making a statement for everyone just because it is for you. Some of us actually have good reasons for wearing one.
 
I wonder if the money Apple's loss-leader-strategy competitors spent on developing flat-tire and now circular displays compares to how much Apple has actually profited with their abomination of rectangular-face watch?

Nobody called it an "abomination" except you. Personally, I've bought several as presents and to develop on.

As for how much profit Apple makes and stashes overseas, that's not my priority when buying something.

Love the FUD about loss leaders though.

Apple has spent a few bucks on this platform already. The watch is out there, the apps are designed, the users are happy. It's non-trivial to make a change. I'd be surprised if they do a strategic reset. It's not their way. I'd expect a subtle iteration, even if it's called revolutionary.

I don't think they'd do a full reset either. I agree that they tend to do small steps, and add on as time goes by.
 
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This kind of comment will always puzzle me. Apple Watch offers more configurations and combinations than any product Apple has ever made, and by far. So much so it must be a bit of an inventory nightmare. Yet for some still inadequate

Also, don't assume that wearing a watch is about making a statement for everyone just because it is for you. Some of us actually have good reasons for wearing one.

Did someone assume this? I don't know about others but I'm speaking for myself and many watch wearing acquaintances. We all wear watches for different reasons, functionality as well as looks. No one I know wants to have the exact same watch I do, though some do when it comes to purely functional watches -- but even then there are subtle differences. I use the Apple Watch for a very specific puprpose myself. And I like the way it looks. But I'm not going to wear it everywhere, and I don't really like that it looks like everybody else's.

So this isn't about taking away anything from you, it's about offering more options to people used to more choice who have so far stayed away from the Apple Watch because they don't like the way it looks, nor does it offer enough utility to override their individual needs. Not everyone needs the same things you do, nor desire to accept a one size fits all solution. Given that Apple had sold only about 30 million watches worldwide in two years, that suggests maybe there's room to offer something more to attract other buyers, especially for something so intimate to ones self expression, where traditionally watches were as much art as function, and jewelry as machine. Apple has homogenized it, and either humans will cast aside thousands of years of history in decorating their bodies with individual expression to embrace a singular look in order to adopt additional functionality, or they will continue to embrace individuality at the expense of functionality. Apple can either be satisfied with its 10-15% market share in the latter instance or they can offer the consumer more choice.

Make no mistake, Apple gave us four different iPod options, 3 different iPads, possibly 4-5 different iPhones, 3 different MacBooks, et al. Are two different watches 2 years in that big a stretch? And how many different styles of beats headphones does Apple offer?

So yeah, not everybody is you, and you're not everybody -- and in the case of the watch I'd say not even a majority of potential Watch customers.
 
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"Personally, I love Swiss chronograph/aviator type watches (like Breitling). I'd buy an Apple Watch in an aviator style design in a heartbeat."

I agree. In my perfect world Apple would license some Apple Watch tech to Breitling (apple pay, fitness, vibrations. And i could have my personnel best of two worlds.
 
Apple Watch offers more configurations and combinations than any product Apple has ever made, and by far.

Yes, there is rectangular, rectangular, rectangular, rectangular, rectangular, rectangular ... oh, and rectangular.

Which is the main reason I've never bought one.
 
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Circle. Please circle.

if apple debuts a round ff, they will absolutely KILL. i'd say that will crush the whole market under their rosy thumb and propel them well on their way to a trillion-dollar valuation. zoiks.

but. they prob won't. lol.
 
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This kind of comment will always puzzle me. Apple Watch offers more configurations and combinations than any product Apple has ever made, and by far. So much so it must be a bit of an inventory nightmare. Yet for some still inadequate

Also, don't assume that wearing a watch is about making a statement for everyone just because it is for you. Some of us actually have good reasons for wearing one.

An watch is like a pair of pants or shoes you wear.

Having an Apple Watch is like leaving your house to go outside and see everyone is literally wearing the same shoes and pants as you...that would become an uniform, something that creates uniformity as oppose to individuality which is much more human.

I like my Watch, it is not an expensive watch, it is a good looking but not gorgeous watch...it doesnt do anything extraordinary besides telling the time, his only function.

This mediocre watch that I own is more unic than Apple Watch.

That is a problem...a huge problem and it is going to be solve.
 
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Did someone assume this? I don't know about others but I'm speaking for myself and many watch wearing acquaintances. We all wear watches for different reasons, functionality as well as looks. No one I know wants to have the exact same watch I do, though some do when it comes to purely functional watches -- but even then there are subtle differences. I use the Apple Watch for a very specific puprpose myself. And I like the way it looks. But I'm not going to wear it everywhere, and I don't really like that it looks like everybody else's.

So this isn't about taking away anything from you, it's about offering more options to people used to more choice who have so far stayed away from the Apple Watch because they don't like the way it looks, nor does it offer enough utility to override their individual needs. Not everyone needs the same things you do, nor desire to accept a one size fits all solution. Given that Apple had sold only about 30 million watches worldwide in two years, that suggests maybe there's room to offer something more to attract other buyers, especially for something so intimate to ones self expression, where traditionally watches were as much art as function, and jewelry as machine. Apple has homogenized it, and either humans will cast aside thousands of years of history in decorating their bodies with individual expression to embrace a singular look in order to adopt additional functionality, or they will continue to embrace individuality at the expense of functionality. Apple can either be satisfied with its 10-15% market share in the latter instance or they can offer the consumer more choice.

Make no mistake, Apple gave us four different iPod options, 3 different iPads, possibly 4-5 different iPhones, 3 different MacBooks, et al. Are two different watches 2 years in that big a stretch? And how many different styles of beats headphones does Apple offer?

So yeah, not everybody is you, and you're not everybody -- and in the case of the watch I'd say not even a majority of potential Watch customers.

Please reread the post, and you will see that I didn't have to interpret anything, I was responding to precisely what was said.

The rest of your post presumes something quite different, but I hear it often to. That is, if Apple isn't satisfying all my personal desires precisely, and right now, they have failed. An old, and very tired argument. Apple has never conducted their business with the goal of pleasing everyone, and I strongly suspect, they never will, no matter how many people file that tired old complaint.
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An watch is like a pair of pants or shoes you wear.

Having an Apple Watch is like leaving your house to go outside and see everyone is literally wearing the same shoes and pants as you...that would become an uniform, something that creates uniformity as oppose to individuality which is much more human.

I like my Watch, it is not an expensive watch, it is a good looking but not gorgeous watch...it doesnt do anything extraordinary besides telling the time, his only function.

This mediocre watch that I own is more unic than Apple Watch.

That is a problem...a huge problem and it is going to be solve.

Only to the people who think that way, which you only imagine is everyone, because you think that way. See related response, above.
 
Please reread the post, and you will see that I didn't have to interpret anything, I was responding to precisely what was said.

The rest of your post presumes something quite different, but I hear it often to. That is, if Apple isn't satisfying all my personal desires precisely, and right now, they have failed. An old, and very tired argument. Apple has never conducted their business with the goal of pleasing everyone, and I strongly suspect, they never will, no matter how many people file that tired old complaint.
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Only to the people who think that way, which you only imagine is everyone, because you think that way. See related response, above.

Again, I didn't state any of that. You inferred it. Please don't hijack my posts to advance your distorted agenda. Thank you.
 
Again, I didn't state any of that. You inferred it. Please don't hijack my posts to advance your distorted agenda. Thank you.

Unless you are "iReality85" in disguise, I wasn't responding to you, so read more carefully before clicking on reply. If you can't do that, please keep your insults to yourself. Thank you.
 
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"Personally, I love Swiss chronograph/aviator type watches (like Breitling). I'd buy an Apple Watch in an aviator style design in a heartbeat."

I agree. In my perfect world Apple would license some Apple Watch tech to Breitling (apple pay, fitness, vibrations. And i could have my personnel best of two worlds.
I don't see this happening. The Apple Watch is a computer on your wrist that just happens to tell time. A lot of the design which makes normal watches unique simply don't make sense on the AW, and Apple is not one to introduce superfluous design elements that don't serve a purpose in their products.
 
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I don't see this happening. The Apple Watch is a computer on your wrist that just happens to tell time. A lot of the design which makes normal watches unique simply don't make sense on the AW, and Apple is not one to introduce superfluous design elements that don't serve a purpose in their products.

Oh i know - i was just dreamin.
 
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Bad idea. Touch devices don't work with gloves, or sweaty fingers. That happens a lot when you're out in the cold, or exercising. A real button is very useful under these conditions.
And what’s the point of using Apple Watch with gloves if you can only scroll?
 
While there's a part of me that would like to buy my first Apple Watch, there's another part of me that asks WHY? Maybe a redesigned, more capable AW with even better battery life would win that part of me over. I don't know.
 
if apple debuts a round ff, they will absolutely KILL. i'd say that will crush the whole market under their rosy thumb and propel them well on their way to a trillion-dollar valuation. zoiks.

but. they prob won't. lol.
I'd love a circular Apple Watch. But the reason there isn't one is because Apple thinks that form factor wouldn't work well. Part of the appeal of Apple products is that they only give you stuff they are sure they work.

I'd rather have no circular Watch and a lower-valued Apple, than Apple selling crap just to become even more profitable.
 
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I think they look as nerdy and dorky as people wearing regular watches so everyone has their own opinion.
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Agree to disagree. They, smartwatches, have really changed a lot about wearable technology. More laughable would be Google Glass in the first iteration but it also opened up what will become solid technology to build on.
But some watches look so great—like a desirable object. So I would disagree.

I'm convinced the functionality can and should be influenced by the thing being desirable.
 
A round face with an always-on clockface would be an instant buy for me.

But that’ll probably not happen until 2020, if at all.
 
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Please reread the post, and you will see that I didn't have to interpret anything, I was responding to precisely what was said.

The rest of your post presumes something quite different, but I hear it often to. That is, if Apple isn't satisfying all my personal desires precisely, and right now, they have failed. An old, and very tired argument. Apple has never conducted their business with the goal of pleasing everyone, and I strongly suspect, they never will, no matter how many people file that tired old complaint.
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Only to the people who think that way, which you only imagine is everyone, because you think that way. See related response, above.

Honestly you are like those guys that talk a lot buy don’t say anything at all...

Design and aesthetics are a fundamental part of Apple’s DNA and good taste is a fundamental part of the act of buying Apple products.

Apple knows that, but If you don’t believe It, just go listen to John Ive talking.

The problem is AW is not an object of design, It’s an wearable.

Therefore design continues to be the centerpiece but the object gets traslated into fashion, fashion design.

You can use the AW for whatever reasons you want, but when everybody and there grandmother have one you just happen to start looking like one more fool as opposed to one more Iphone owner...

You may not care but most of the people do care for what they dress.

Nobody said Apple is going to fail or is going to please everyone.

Only that Apple Watch needs more design diversity than the wrist bands because we as humans need more diversity than that and if you think we don’t that’s because you think everyone is like you.
 
If Apple do release a circular watch then they will need to fundamentally change their app development kit. Not just to cater for round screens but because the current method of displaying controls on the screen is inherently dependent on a rectangular screen. At the moment you specify how things are displayed using nested groups of horizontal and vertical controls, which just wouldn't translate to a circular screen.

This means that it would require a much more fundamental change than that required for different sized iPhones, or even going from the iPhone to the iPad. I'm not saying that they won't release a circular watch, but just that it will mean a complete UI redesign of most current watch apps in order to use it properly.

One option would be to produce a circular watch where the rectangular centre is the same size as a current 38mm, and let "old" apps run in that. But that is a hack and the process of changing an app to make the most of the full circle would still require a completely new development approach. Introducing such a major change outside of WWDC seems unlikely but I wouldn't put it past Apple. Secrecy understandably trumps making developers lives easier.

As a developer I am in two minds: the extra sales that a round watch would mean is very appealing, but the extra work to handle it is not!
 
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I agree with all this.

There needs to be more differentiation for the Watch, besides having relatively simplistic style options like straps and body metal type.

It would be nice if Apple took inspiration from different types of chronographs and came out with distinct Watch lines. Wearing a watch is still about making a statement, and it's hard to do that when everyone else has the same watch that you do (not just brand).

Personally, I love Swiss chronograph/aviator type watches (like Breitling). I'd buy an Apple Watch in an aviator style design in a heartbeat.

Are you trying to compare $5,000 watch to a $500 one?
 
If the data was included, like a Kindle or a new car that has data services, that would make AW a category killer. AW apps are not that big so we are not talking about gobs of data here. I don't even think LTE is needed. 3 or 4G probably just fine. If Apple could sell AW as a stand-alone device and no extra fees it would leave every other smartwatch in the dust.

Not talking "lifetime" service either -- max 3 years. That would also give people a reason to regularly upgrade rather than having to start paying data fees. Of course the data would not truly be free, just bundled into the price of the watch. But one less nickel and dime subscription or add-on.
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Are you trying to compare $5,000 watch to a $500 one?

Where do you get that? As I read OP's comment he/she is only suggesting AW needs different styles, like, say a round one in the style of the high end Swiss watches. There are plenty of $50 fashion watches around that are knock offs of their $5K brethren. It's not a ridiculous statement.
 
Where do you get that? As I read OP's comment he/she is only suggesting AW needs different styles, like, say a round one in the style of the high end Swiss watches. There are plenty of $50 fashion watches around that are knock offs of their $5K brethren. It's not a ridiculous statement.

What do you mean by "Where did you get that" It is in the quote. I'll post it again if you want me to
"Personally, I love Swiss chronograph/aviator type watches (like Breitling). I'd buy an Apple Watch in an aviator style design in a heartbeat."

It doesn't say anything about $50 fashion watch.
 
Are you trying to compare $5,000 watch to a $500 one?

No one is trying to do that comparison but that is the end game isn’t it?

That is the exact reason why there was $5000 Apple Watch to beggin with...
 
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