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Dashboard Exposed

Gee4orce said:
Did Arlo patent the technology in Konfabulator ? No ? Then sorry, but life sucks - get over it.
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So it's okay for Apple to steal ideas from the OPEN-SOURCE developer community who's members may not have the time/money/resources/whatever to go through all the legal hassles?

I don't think so.

I haven't gotten over m$'s ripoff of Mac OS so I've always spoken out for and with Apple. I'll be damned if I'll let Apple slide on slimey BS like this. :mad:
 
MacQuest said:
Oh don't care if it wasn't the first of it's kind, it's the one that popularized the functionality as far as I'm concerned.

What about all the KARMA BS SJ? :mad:
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Apple will definitely popularize the widget 'functionality', more than Konfabulator ever could. If Mr. Konfabulator was smart, he'd use this to his advantage. By the time Tiger comes out, w*w.konfabulator.c*m will be the place that everyone goes to to distribute their third party widgets. He has a year to figure out how to make money from that model. And a few years head start on everyone else...!
 
I just find it ironic how I was about one of two or three people yesterday who was saying those Banners weren't a smart idea, and now look how hypocritical Apple looks... Displaying the K ideas for everyone to see, with banners in the background mocking out borrowing of ideas.
 
elmimmo said:
Wasn't, BTW, Konfabulator explicitely inspired by SuperKaramaba anyhow? ^_^ (KHTML, SuperKaramba... KDE guys must really be flattered ^_^)
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I'm not gonna play the "who came first" game. All I know is that I didn't know what the frick a widget was before Konfabulator on Mac OS X and now Apple has absorbed the functionality without so much as an honorable mention [to anyone]!

Granted, paying homage would be admitting that it wasn't thier idea, so just pay them some chump change or something. It's the least they could do.
 
evolu said:
Apple will definitely popularize the widget 'functionality', more than Konfabulator ever could. If Mr. Konfabulator was smart, he'd use this to his advantage. By the time Tiger comes out, w*w.konfabulator.c*m will be the place that everyone goes to to distribute their third party widgets. He has a year to figure out how to make money from that model. And a few years head start on everyone else...!
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Now the developers have to be savvy business people in order to develop something and not have it get ripped off by Apple?!

That blows!
 
CholEoptera36 said:
I just find it ironic how I was about one of two or three people yesterday who was saying those Banners weren't a smart idea, and now look how hypocritical Apple looks... Displaying the K ideas for everyone to see, with banners in the background mocking out borrowing of ideas.
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I still love the banners because m$ desreves to be ridiculed more than anyone for their years and sheer multitude of illegal activities.

I just don't agree with the Dashboard/Konfab issue. There's a big difference between Apple's occasional questionable/[maybe?] justifiable move and m$'s constant, blatant bool sheet.

...and "Dashboard"?!!! I can't believe I'm so upset over an awesome technology that was given such a crappy name. :mad:

Dashboard. :rolleyes:
 
MacQuest said:
I still love the banners because m$ desreves to be ridiculed more than anyone for their years and sheer multitude of illegal activities.

I just don't agree with the Dashboard/Konfab issue. There's a big difference between Apple's occasional questionable/[maybe?] justifiable move and m$'s constant, blatant bool sheet.

...and "Dashboard"?!!! I can't believe I'm so upset over an awesome technology that was given such a crappy name. :mad:

Dashboard. :rolleyes:
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lol definitely true, M$ does deserve all those banners. I guess my point was let's just hope that Apple doesn't get to the point where someone makes some banners about them some day, and people don't veiw them the same way as we are M$... Just makes them hipocritical as of the day. (of course I didn't know this yesterday lol, I just had a bad feeling about the public display)

On the bright side, atleast they didn't take it from M$ that would be worse for their publicity.
 
MacQuest said:
Now the developers have to be savvy business people in order to develop something and not have it get ripped off by Apple?!

That blows!
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Um... yeah. That's the way the business world works. Not saying I agree with it, but that's the way it is. Mr. Konfab apparently did not copywright his idea, and he did not stipulate that any of his source code could not be used for profit, (blah blah blah).

The guy has a great opportunity to have his work reach more people. He basically just got his 'open-source' application installed for free in every Mac that sells with Tiger.

BTW - it looks like Apple 'invented' the idea anyway! I'm sure they have a patent on it from back then...
 
wow that is interesting, and very good to know. I feel much better about those banners now too...

I know a few things about the start of PC's because of my major, and I know that there are lists of companies who had personal computers out before the Apple 1 or the Apple ][ appeared (two of which are HP and IBM - the IBM 5100 to be exact to those who are familiar with that model). Apple did make the first 'affordable' personal computer, and they most definitely did put the computer in the home, schools, and office too... I believe 16K memory on the IBM 5100 sold for over $8,000 no joke... and that was in May of 1975! ouch... Two years before the Apple 1 appeared. Just figured I'd share some interesting tid bits on how computer companies all have ideas at some point but certain companies seem to know how to put it where they want it. I think Apple will do the same with the Dashboard in Tiger, much like they did the personal computer. If it's successful, and you aren't stealing anything from anyone in particular, then it's all gravy. Cause there's a lot of ideas in the computer world that are "shared" or passed around I should say... so it's good to know Apple didn't necessarily take it from K, widgets have been around I assume.

That comming from K's own forums helps too, good deal :D
 
just my rant about it all... http://web.pdx.edu/~bhartig/archives/000025.php

but anyway my personal conclusion is that developers need to develop applications for os x and not extras that apple should have kept since system 6, btw have you noticed that apples widgets became menuextras till they outlawed it by 3rd party apps? and how motion has already implemented a dashboard (by the same name) type system for quick access to various editing tools? alright have a look have fun.
 
MacQuest said:
Thanks for the insight as well Benjamin. :)

I'm not mad at the Dashboard thing anymore...

EXCEPT FOR THE NAME!!! :mad:

As I said earlier..."Dashboard". :rolleyes:
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thx, are you the same MacQuest that was on Spymac?
 
We are not looking at this the right way (in my opinion)

Dashboard is part of the Tiger SDK, and is closed-source. It will therefore be limited in what widgets it has, because only paying developers will be creating widgets.
Konfabulator, on the other hand, is open-source, anyone can create widgets for it, and therefore will have a wider selection.
It's kinda like Winamp; it's more popular than Windows Media Player, because of the huge fan support, free devopment of plugins, skins etc...

Dashboard: Limited to the developer community.
Konfabulator: Everyone can create content.

(Uh, I hope I didn't make any mistakes here, like "Anyone can make Dashboard widgets", but I don't think that anyone can make a dashboard widget without an SDK

Right?)
 
Jalexster said:
Dashboard is part of the Tiger SDK, and is closed-source. It will therefore be limited in what widgets it has, because only paying developers will be creating widgets.
Konfabulator, on the other hand, is open-source, anyone can create widgets for it, and therefore will have a wider selection.
It's kinda like Winamp; it's more popular than Windows Media Player, because of the huge fan support, free devopment of plugins, skins etc...

Dashboard: Limited to the developer community.
Konfabulator: Everyone can create content.

(Uh, I hope I didn't make any mistakes here, like "Anyone can make Dashboard widgets", but I don't think that anyone can make a dashboard widget without an SDK

Right?)
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The Panther SDKs (there are lots, not just one) are freely available along with the full developer tools (XCode, Interface Builder and the rest) from Apple's website. You can get a free internet ADC account for the price of telling Apple your email address. Anyone will be able to create widgets, just like anyone can create Cocoa/Carbon/Java apps for Mac OSX. The developer tools are even free for comercial use. The quoted post is just wrong!
 
Jalexster said:
Dashboard: Limited to the developer community.
Konfabulator: Everyone can create content.

(Uh, I hope I didn't make any mistakes here, like "Anyone can make Dashboard widgets", but I don't think that anyone can make a dashboard widget without an SDK

Right?)
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Wrong. Apple's development tools are very open.

http://developer.apple.com

I can't think of any apple developer tool I might want that isn't freely available.

Now, what's all this talk about Konfabulator being open source? I've been poking around on their website for a while now, and can't find any source code, or mention of a license. Could someone provide a link?
 
sorry if this is me being stupid:

so Dashboard is a Tiger thing? - unavailable till Tiger uncaged next year?
 
unregbaron said:
sorry if this is me being stupid:

so Dashboard is a Tiger thing? - unavailable till Tiger uncaged next year?
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Dashboard is part of Tiger. It will not be available for previous OSs (unlike Konfabulator).
 
MacQuest said:
I'm not mad at the Dashboard thing anymore...

EXCEPT FOR THE NAME!!! :mad:

As I said earlier..."Dashboard".
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Better don't look at the real name for Pipeline then..:rolleyes:
 
Btw if you look at the bottom navigation for the dashboard preview it says:
Home > Mac OS X > Tiger Preview > Safari 2
Guess someone "prematurly specified" how dashboard will be implemented..
;)
 
I was being sarcastic.

Of course it's not a rip off... read what i was replying to.

narco said:
This is where you're wrong. WWW is not a rip-off of FTP and there are a lot of new things.

// narco
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MacQuest said:
So it's okay for Apple to steal ideas from the OPEN-SOURCE developer community who's members may not have the time/money/resources/whatever to go through all the legal hassles?

I don't think so.

I haven't gotten over m$'s ripoff of Mac OS so I've always spoken out for and with Apple. I'll be damned if I'll let Apple slide on slimey BS like this. :mad:
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:eek:

So it's open source is it ? So I can ask Arlo for the source code (infact, I shouldn't even need to ask). And under what licence is it open source ? How is he able to sell it for $$$ ?

Hmmm. I don't think so.

I doesn't cost much to patent an idea, and if your idea isn't elligible for a patent then that usually means 1 thing - it's not original, and ergo you've nicked it from somebody else. Pot, Kettle. Black.
 
Gee4orce said:
I doesn't cost much to patent an idea, and if your idea isn't elligible for a patent then that usually means 1 thing - it's not original, and ergo you've nicked it from somebody else. Pot, Kettle. Black.
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For a small developer, it takes a small fortune (and a long time) to patent your ideas, especially if you want to patent it in a lot of countries.

Your suggestion that if it's not patented, it's probably stolen, is just bizarre.
 
Ok, I've made an idiot of myself.

Sorry

Anyway, by the time Tiger is released, Konfabulator will be much better. Konfabulator has a head-start of Dashboard.

P.S: I'm really sorry about my mistake
 
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