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^^^ The plain and simple truth is, Apple sets the standard and then everyone rushes to copy them. R&D takes money, and then that money needs to be recouped. Most people don't realize how much money goes into development. It's cheap to reverse engineer, once someone has done all the legwork for you. Why do you think Chinese knock-offs are so cheap?

Dell and Apple are similar? What company mimics anything Dell produces? Look at Apple products: iPhone comes out.. everyone copies it. iPad comes out, everyone runs to copy it. Funny how HP supposedly had a Slate in mockup prior to the iPad launch, but then didn't want to produce it until the iPad was released. iPod gets released, then Zune comes out... and so on...

It's sad when you think about it, but as they say, "Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery."

And as far as service goes, I've tried finding a Dell service center to take a computer to, but apparently they don't exist. ;)
 
well we dont have apple stores here either so that is 1-1. before ordering my MBP15 i owned a Dell precision M65, and although ugly it was an awesome machine and really fast.

i had three year on site warranty and the one time i did have a problem a Dell tech came driving 200 miles to my home and replaced my MoBo right here on the table, i was back in business within hours ... i was very happy with their service.

now i wouldnt get a dell, but rather an asus i think. or dell would have to update their XPS 13 which is a great line and a 13" XPS with RGB LED would be awesome.

and apple didnt invent computers either, they made a great OS (BSD UNIX) user friendly and designed an awesome case with a superior touchpad, but they didnt reinvent the innards which are all common pc components.

and yes the iphone (3gs) is great and slightly ahead of the competition. my HTC Desire with Android is neat too though. And with the iPad they are miles ahead of the competition breaking open the market and there are no alternatives yet, it used to be that way as well with the MBP line. but as i said and as your examples confirm apple just cares about their mobile iOS line anymore.
 
kny3twalker said:
I have an older 15.4" Dell Inspiron with the upgraded 1680x1050 display. Granted this computer is not used much anymore, the display was not bad but not great either.

And unless you value horizontal resolution, vertical resolution is more important on these widescreen displays. Therefore 1280x800 is larger by my standards, despite it having about 50k less pixels in total (which is nothing).

If that Latitude was not 16:9, and instead 16:10, I can assure you one of the display options would be 1280x800.

I mean have you ever even used a 13" MBP? The resolution is fine for the computer, anything larger and fonts are going to become rather small.

Anyways here is a list of JUST HP's with 1366x768 resolution

*This should end your walmart BS comments

15.6"
http://www.shopping.hp.com/webapp/s...psg/notebooks/Everyday_computing/CQ62Z_series

http://www.shopping.hp.com/webapp/s.../psg/notebooks/Everyday_computing/G62t_series

14"
http://www.shopping.hp.com/webapp/s.../psg/notebooks/Everyday_computing/G42t_series

13.3"
http://www.shopping.hp.com/webapp/s...oslp/psg/notebooks/Ultra-Portable/dm3z_series

14.5"
http://www.shopping.hp.com/webapp/s...oslp/psg/notebooks/Ultra-Portable/dv5t_series

14"
http://www.shopping.hp.com/webapp/s...oslp/psg/notebooks/Ultra-Portable/dm4t_series

15.6"
http://www.shopping.hp.com/webapp/s...lp/psg/notebooks/High_performance/dv6z_series

http://www.shopping.hp.com/webapp/s...lp/psg/notebooks/High_performance/dv6t_series

http://www.shopping.hp.com/webapp/s.../psg/notebooks/High_performance/dv6zse_series

http://www.shopping.hp.com/webapp/s.../psg/notebooks/High_performance/dv6tse_series

And off the top of my head, I know the Lenovo Thinkpad T410 14.1" is 1280x800.
http://shop.lenovo.com/SEUILibrary/...-category-id=24ABE3A59126498186434450AAAFE461

The Lenovo Thinkpad SL410 and SL510 are both 1366x768 14" and 15.6" displays.
http://shop.lenovo.com/SEUILibrary/...-category-id=393651299AA2442B937039C5DECF1DBF

Same with the L412 and L512.
http://shop.lenovo.com/SEUILibrary/...-category-id=E40C202EFB1E4EB181C7D2D08172A68C

Every Ideapad seems to be the same too.
http://shop.lenovo.com/SEUILibrary/...-category-id=0549C687E3D24BBD998B20D96BBB1281

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The first link you posted is for a Compaq Presario "Starting at $379".

WTF is your point? You can buy three of those for one 13" MBP.

For $1200 you can buy a new HP Envy 14.5" that has a 1600 x 900 screen that has been described as best in its class. I suppose you are going to tell me that this screen is also lower in resolution in comparison to the MBP 1280 x 800. The Envy 14.5" also has a quadcore processor and an ATI 5650 1GB video card. The touchpad is redesigned and larger.

So HP did a lot of new work inside and out and blew Apple away on hardware for the same price. Is HP's profit as large as Apple's?

Hell no!
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TopHatPlus said:
i spent $1850 on my macbook in 2007 and yes that was every dollar in my bank account, i had never even used a mac before >_< but it is one of my best investments!!!
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That was a purchase, not an investment.

An investment appreciates. A purchase depreciates.

Your Cadillac lost a huge percentage of it's value as soon as it was driven off the lot. If value concerns you then you should have bought a Honda Civic. They hold their value much longer; but the Honda is not an "investment" either.
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DVD9 said:
The first link you posted is for a Compaq Presario "Starting at $379".

WTF is your point? You can buy three of those for one 13" MBP.

For $1200 you can buy a new HP Envy 14.5" that has a 1600 x 900 screen that has been described as best in its class. I suppose you are going to tell me that this screen is also lower in resolution in comparison to the MBP 1280 x 800. The Envy 14.5" also has a quadcore processor and an ATI 5650 1GB video card. The touchpad is redesigned and larger.

So HP did a lot of new work inside and out and blew Apple away on hardware for the same price. Is HP's profit as large as Apple's?

Hell no!
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Envy 14 owner here.

$1095 after the 30% Bing Cash Back (Thanks Microsoft!) got:
Core i5-450M
6GB RAM
160GB Intel G2 SSD
1GB ATI 5650 w/ user switchable graphics
Backlit Keyboard
1600x900 350nit E2E incredible screen
Aluminum body, HDMI, eSATA,

Microsoft and HP both managed to profit also
 
Marat said:
I'm not impressed with my Dell. I bought this one http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Dell+-+Studio+Laptop+with+Intel%26%23174%3B+Core%26%23153%3B+i5+Processor+-+Cappuccino/9718931.p?id=1218158732672&skuId=9718931 in January. It overheats and shuts down all the time. After about a month, it started shutting down at random about twice a day. Dell support is terrible. They have difficulty understanding my accent (English is my first and only language) and have never been helpful. I used to work for Dell and that was part of what led me to their products. I'll never buy another. I'm planning on buying a MBP here in a week or so.
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Well Dell Studios are the cheap models.
Latitudes are great, but also costs a lot. My father have had a Latitude e4200 for a year now, it did cost close to $3000, great machine.

You pay for quality, if it's a Dell, Sony or Apple, it doesn't matter.
 
dubels said:
In 2001, when the first Apple Stores opened, Apple only had 5% market share, they just reached 10%. They have not changed much since 2001 yet plenty of companies have been quickly adopting their designs, business and marketing strategies. *Windows stores, HP envy line, etc.
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Just remember genius, the MBP's keyboard is a Sony.
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teleromeo said:
The simple fact that Dell needs to compare their products to Apple prooves they admit their opponent has better products ...
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Yep, very true. Same thing about Microsoft putting up a PC vs. Mac on their own website. Ha ha, the PC world is scared of Apple. So funny how the Windows world, which holds 90% market share is threatened over a company that is the underdog. Just shows that Macs are getting into way too many people's homes and the Windows world is getting scared. :D Michael Dell is such a frickin' hypocrite. He tells Apple to close up business because they are washed up and now he's trying to keep his customers from switching to Apple by putting up comparisons of a Dell notebook (which doesn't compare) to a Macbook Pro. Why doesn't Michael Dell compare the Dell Precision workstation line to the Macbook Pro?
 
DVD9 said:
The first link you posted is for a Compaq Presario "Starting at $379".

WTF is your point? You can buy three of those for one 13" MBP.

For $1200 you can buy a new HP Envy 14.5" that has a 1600 x 900 screen that has been described as best in its class. I suppose you are going to tell me that this screen is also lower in resolution in comparison to the MBP 1280 x 800. The Envy 14.5" also has a quadcore processor and an ATI 5650 1GB video card. The touchpad is redesigned and larger.

So HP did a lot of new work inside and out and blew Apple away on hardware for the same price. Is HP's profit as large as Apple's?

Hell no!
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Can you stay on topic? Not all those laptops were sub $400. And would you honestly want that sub $400 notebook?
The point is and apparently you are afraid to address it and know you are wrong that the resolution on the 13" MBP is fine.
As far as the 14.5" Envy clearly thats a higher resolution both vertically and horizontally and while I have not done the math, I am sure it has a higher PPI. But the difference is that Windows is resolution independent where as Mac OS/X is not. So not everyone can handle or would want that high resolution.
Nevertheless, the 1280x800 resolution of the 13" MBP is more usable than the 1366x768 screens used in 16x9 Windows laptops that is of course unless your primary use is watching movies and HDTV. I am referring to doing actual work though.

If you want to discuss hardware, I certainly hope the new Envy Quad Core does not overheat like the older 15" model.
And does it finally have graphics switching? or does the laptop constantly use the ATI graphics?

Seriously just go buy the Envy you want so bad, nobody cares.
 
HLdan said:
Yep, very true. Same thing about Microsoft putting up a PC vs. Mac on their own website. Ha ha, the PC world is scared of Apple. So funny how the Windows world, which holds 90% market share is threatened over a company that is the underdog. Just shows that Macs are getting into way too many people's homes and the Windows world is getting scared. :D Michael Dell is such a frickin' hypocrite. He tells Apple to close up business because they are washed up and now he's trying to keep his customers from switching to Apple by putting up comparisons of a Dell notebook (which doesn't compare) to a Macbook Pro. Why doesn't Michael Dell compare the Dell Precision workstation line to the Macbook Pro?
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The underdog?

Sarcasm that doesn't work?

Apple sneezes and gets a billion dollar$ of free publicity. The New York Times business page cannot publish for one week without content concerning Apple.

Apple's value on the stock market now exceeds Microsoft.

Try to find a movie or TV show where the laptop is not an Apple.
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Dell has no right comparing their computers to anyone else's.

They're the ********* company out there.

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HLdan said:
Yep, very true. Same thing about Microsoft putting up a PC vs. Mac on their own website. Ha ha, the PC world is scared of Apple. So funny how the Windows world, which holds 90% market share is threatened over a company that is the underdog. Just shows that Macs are getting into way too many people's homes and the Windows world is getting scared. :D Michael Dell is such a frickin' hypocrite. He tells Apple to close up business because they are washed up and now he's trying to keep his customers from switching to Apple by putting up comparisons of a Dell notebook (which doesn't compare) to a Macbook Pro. Why doesn't Michael Dell compare the Dell Precision workstation line to the Macbook Pro?
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I believe Apple started the Mac vs PC fight first. Microsoft just decided to say "**** OFF." and point out facts.
 
kny3twalker said:
Can you stay on topic? Not all those laptops were sub $400. And would you honestly want that sub $400 notebook?
The point is and apparently you are afraid to address it and know you are wrong that the resolution on the 13" MBP is fine.
As far as the 14.5" Envy clearly thats a higher resolution both vertically and horizontally and while I have not done the math, I am sure it has a higher PPI. But the difference is that Windows is resolution independent where as Mac OS/X is not. So not everyone can handle or would want that high resolution.
Nevertheless, the 1280x800 resolution of the 13" MBP is more usable than the 1366x768 screens used in 16x9 Windows laptops that is of course unless your primary use is watching movies and HDTV. I am referring to doing actual work though.

If you want to discuss hardware, I certainly hope the new Envy Quad Core does not overheat like the older 15" model.
And does it finally have graphics switching? or does the laptop constantly use the ATI graphics?

Seriously just go buy the Envy you want so bad, nobody cares.
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No of course I don't want a sub $400 piece of crap laptop. That's why I remarked upon your example as I did.

From the HP site for the discussed Envy: "ATI Mobility Radeon HD 5650 switchable graphics with 1024MB DDR3 with up to 3738MB total graphics memory"
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DVD9 said:
No of course I don't want a sub $400 piece of crap laptop. That's why I remarked upon your example as I did.

From the HP site for the discussed Envy: "ATI Mobility Radeon HD 5650 switchable graphics with 1024MB DDR3 with up to 3738MB total graphics memory"
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As I said before they were not all sub $400. Almost the entire range of HP notebooks are or start at 1366x768. Lenovo is pretty much the same too and this includes the business class Thinkpads.

I did not search more, but I am sure this is standard across all windows notebooks right now.
 
The reality, no matter how much cheaper you think a Dell is, the malware problem is non-stop. It's hard to gauge here in MR, where people have a clue as to how to keep Windows secure.

On a daily basis, however, I see shiny, new Windows 7 machines with a brand new Nortons or McAfee subscription already infected. That's $200 per virus removal at Geek Squad.

I can't speak for people here, but I don't want to think about that kind of $#!+ when I get home.
 
deputy_doofy said:
The reality, no matter how much cheaper you think a Dell is, the malware problem is non-stop. It's hard to gauge here in MR, where people have a clue as to how to keep Windows secure.

On a daily basis, however, I see shiny, new Windows 7 machines with a brand new Nortons or McAfee subscription already infected. That's $200 per virus removal at Geek Squad.

I can't speak for people here, but I don't want to think about that kind of $#!+ when I get home.
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Install Avast or something that's better than Norton and McAfee.

Hell, McAfee is considered Malware on some levels.
 
deputy_doofy said:
The reality, no matter how much cheaper you think a Dell is, the malware problem is non-stop. It's hard to gauge here in MR, where people have a clue as to how to keep Windows secure.

On a daily basis, however, I see shiny, new Windows 7 machines with a brand new Nortons or McAfee subscription already infected. That's $200 per virus removal at Geek Squad.

I can't speak for people here, but I don't want to think about that kind of $#!+ when I get home.
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I never have any problems with virus' or trojans on Windows. I can't say I ever have (since Microsoft got rid of the Windows 95-98-ME which was a virus, rather than the claimed operating system).

The only virus or trojan I worry about would be from the FBI/CIA/Pentagon. No virus scanner will detect it and only a fool thinks that OSX is immune from that.
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TZRaceR6 said:
^^^ The plain and simple truth is, Apple sets the standard and then everyone rushes to copy them. R&D takes money, and then that money needs to be recouped. Most people don't realize how much money goes into development. It's cheap to reverse engineer, once someone has done all the legwork for you. Why do you think Chinese knock-offs are so cheap?

Dell and Apple are similar? What company mimics anything Dell produces? Look at Apple products: iPhone comes out.. everyone copies it. iPad comes out, everyone runs to copy it. Funny how HP supposedly had a Slate in mockup prior to the iPad launch, but then didn't want to produce it until the iPad was released. iPod gets released, then Zune comes out... and so on...

It's sad when you think about it, but as they say, "Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery."

And as far as service goes, I've tried finding a Dell service center to take a computer to, but apparently they don't exist. ;)
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This is just Apple PR. It's a well known fact that Apple is very skimpy about R&D. Most companies spend a lot more than Apple on R&D. Microsoft - about 10X more than Apple, Nokia - about 8x more (in absolute values) and so on.

About Dell service centers... They do not exist. But Dell will fix your computer at your place within 24 hours.
 
Well the bias on a mac-based rumor site was just obvious...the first and last pages alone could tell us all that!

The design: it is completely preference-based. Macs look like an aluminium block with an apple cut out of it. Dells look like they actually have some good design.

The shock-absorbance: Drop a Dell three times and you will possibly have this unexplainable rattle on the inside of the notebook. Drop a macbook pro and you would never know -- it is way too quiet inside. This just shows there has got to be some pretty good shock-absorbance in the machine. It is made of metal!

The processor: Let's face it, Apple only released iX processors in it's laptops in April this year...they were very slow, i.e. The wait for Arrandale thread. It was slow! However, Dell did get them quite quickly compared to Apple don't you think?

The CD/DVD drive: Apple doesn't seem to be planning blu-ray now or for a while right? Enough said.

The monitor: Wow Apple only just got high-res now? Is it even HD?

The OS: If I asked, which OS could run 90% of programs ever made without emulators...you would all say....Windows! I think that answers this part. Despite the good design of Mac OS, those of us who have actually used W7 would suggest that they are very comparable.

Dell owns Alienware: Enough said.

I think that's enough for now. Now you can all say your bias opinions about Mac. I just thought a Windows supporter needed some input here :D
 
Lambros said:
The design: it is completely preference-based. Macs look like an aluminium block with an apple cut out of it. Dells look like they actually have some good design.


The CD/DVD drive: Apple doesn't seem to be planning blu-ray now or for a while right? Enough said.

The OS: If I asked, which OS could run 90% of programs ever made without emulators...you would all say....Windows! I think that answers this part.
Dell owns Alienware: Enough said.

I think that's enough for now. Now you can all say your bias opinions about Mac. I just thought a Windows supporter needed some input here :D
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is this for real?????
 
I am a high school teacher..

I own a Dell which simply couldn't handle the workload of day to day use for generic email/browsing and structuring lessons, grading, powerpoint in the classroom, etc. i guess..the laptop will not work unless it is plugged in (believe the battery is shot - I've owned it for ~1.5 years). The thing persistently locks up on me and requires thorough and constant maintenance..it is like having a second job.

i got my first apple two weeks ago..a macbook pro 13" and is prob one of the best investments ive made to date..things seem to work more seemlessly, efficiently and it is way nicer on the eyes than that big, black block of a dell.

beyond happy with the windows ---> mac switch.
 
aethelbert said:
802.11n is pretty much the standard these days, so there's no difference there. A bluetooth chip and LEDs under the keyboard really aren't worth much in part value, not even the $50 combined cost for the two which seems to be the norm for most manufacturers offering both.

Things like that certainly make the gap less huge, but there's no way that it brings them to equal prices.
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Dell put 802.11b/g in most of their quad core laptops
 
Lambros said:
The shock-absorbance: Drop a Dell three times and you will possibly have this unexplainable rattle on the inside of the notebook. Drop a macbook pro and you would never know -- it is way too quiet inside. This just shows there has got to be some pretty good shock-absorbance in the machine. It is made of metal!
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You drop a Dell inspiron three times, and you will break or crack the plastic case. They do not have a metal chassis like the Latitudes and Precisions have.
You drop a MacBook Pro three times, and it will be dented to *ell.

The monitor: Wow Apple only just got high-res now? Is it even HD?
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I hope you are kidding? HD is either 1080i vertical resolution or 720p vertical resolution. The horizontal resolution is not a factor used to determine whether the display is HD or not.
Therefore even the 13" MB and MBP are HD by virtue of having 800 pixels vertically.
And I am not sure, but I doubt Dell sells any cheap notebooks with a high resolution display. And Apple's 17" MacBook Pro is 1920x1200; this is a higher resolution than Full HD aka 1080p. I am puzzled why some people think Apple uses poor quality low resolution displays.

The OS: If I asked, which OS could run 90% of programs ever made without emulators...you would all say....Windows! I think that answers this part. Despite the good design of Mac OS, those of us who have actually used W7 would suggest that they are very comparable.
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No Virus or Virus? Bootcamp versus GRUB with Linux?
I think the question is more likely can Mac OS/X fulfill the needs of 90+% of its potential users without needing Windows part-time or full-time.

Dell owns Alienware: Enough said.

I think that's enough for now. Now you can all say your bias opinions about Mac. I just thought a Windows supporter needed some input here :D
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Alienware??? (Yes I am familiar.:rolleyes:) I am at least glad you did not bring up the cost factor at the same time you are mentioning Alienware.
 
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