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Dell Digital Jukebox and Dell Music Store

What is wrong with competition?

How could there be so many negatives? Last time I checked, Competition is a good thing. Its called Economics. Mabye some of you took this class in high school. maybe prices for the ipod will drop. Just because you love apple and everything about it, does not mean that you can't appreciate something in the PC world, even if it is sort of a rip off. Everybody steals from everybody, I dont see what the big deal is. That's my 2 cents. :)
 
Originally posted by 1adonis1
Apple's problem is going to lose the price battle, so Dell's ipod wanna be will sell, and sell big....and i also think it looks better than the apple ipod.
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I don't think you can operate a modern Mac on 256k of ram, can you?.
 
Originally posted by trilogic
sounds familiar

isn't there another company offering the same?
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Uh......yes. Shockingly, there is more than one car manufacturer too.

If Apple is to beat this (and it WILL be popular) it had better get its act together to avoid blowing what lead it has. Rough translation - iTunes for Windows may conceivably be Apple's most important current project.

APple has no divine right to restrict certain market segments to itself, as some here seem to imply. Only Microsoft and its legal dept, also known as the Justice Department, can do that.......
 
regarding competition

Doubtful Apple will lower their prices so nobody get their hopes up. Apple has spent it's entire existance pretty clueless that in some cases a lower price means more volume and more adoption of product. It's never occured them before so probably wont ever. Then again remember Apple is profitable as a company perhaps thanks to the mark-up, as opposed to most other computer makers, excepting Dell, who basically is just a poor man's Apple... a VERY poor man's Apple.
 
What will the software be?

It's not that hard to copy an iPod so Dell should come up with one that is on par with their computer quality - but you'll be transferred to India if you need customer service . . .

The real question is related to the software that will integrate everything. What is Dell going to do about an iTunes copy? My bet is that it will be a third rate effort when compared to iTunes.

If Apple keeps pushing development of the iPod at the same rate we have seen in the past then Dell's iPod copy won't be that much of a hit on the iPod sales.

The other interesting thing about old Mike's announcement is that it appears that Dell, like Gateway, is discovering that they need something besides computers to continue to grow. Old Mike is, at least, smart enough to know what brand to copy . . .
 
Originally posted by Chealion

Bad Apple, no Windows iTMS yet? No International versions either of any kind? At least let a rumor slip to sate the rumor crowd, but officially say nothing as that is your style.
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Oh come on! This has been done to death. Apple is working this on all fronts. Oh no I forgot. They aren't aware there are places other than the US so I guess the legal issues and licencing issues outside the US are all imaginary. Sorry about that. It's just become obvious to me that Apple absolutely wants to fail as a company. That's why they never have anything useful to sell either, I guess!
 
I think we should really wait to see if this player is any good. You never know, it might be.

Apple has a great product. Dell needs to be either half as good with half the price, or just as good with the same price. Either way, all Dell will do is take sales from some other mp3 companies, not Apple. Ipods have made their mark and now are their own brand name in a sense.

The only down side I see is if Dell uses Microsofts DRM on the music files in it's store. Hopefully they'll support AAC. This is where the real battle lies.
 
Looks ugly...

My 3 years old son just came when I was taking a look to that "thing" and said:

"ohh new iPod, but looks really ugly"

me: No, it's not a new iPod, it's a music player from dell"

he: from hell?
:D

I'd agree, looks like a 60's/70's object with apple's taste.

iTMS for Europe... Come on steve!
 
Funny I submitted this story 4 days ago and Arn finally posts it....without giving me credit I may add :)

All I can say is that Apple has dropped the ball once again...with it's brand name Apple could have owned the consumer electronics biz (in fact Larry Ellison before he joined Apple's board was strongly urging Apple to go in this direction).
 
And yet no Windows iTunes.....

Welcome to the real competition Apple. They need the Windows version of iTunes to be released NOW. Not 3 weeks from now. Not tomorrow. NOW. Apple is seriously squandering a golden opportunity and someone like Dell will bite them in the butt for it.

Also. Ugly or not. If the device is relatively small and cheap it'll sell. You see not everyone gives a crap about the looks of a device as long as works well and is cheap.

I'm still quite amazed that Dell is going to release a music store. AFAIK this is the first time they've taken the plunge in an emerging market.
 
Re: This is not negative

Originally posted by e2chris
This is good I feel. Hopefully it will drop the prices of the ipods. I think they are kinda expensive personally. And it will also make them compete for adding new functions to it. You can see in the pic that the Dell one allows you to record voice. I know that this is a hiden feature in the new ipods but I never followed up with it to see if it works. But competition is normal people.
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If this were true then I would be all for it. But have any of the other cheap mp3 players like Creative achieved this with its larger HD and limitless features? ...no!. Then why is it that you think that Dell can affect how Apple designs and prices its portable player?.
 
Re: Looks ugly...

Originally posted by AmigoMac
My 3 years old son just came when I was taking a look to that "thing" and said:

"ohh new iPod, but looks really ugly"

me: No, it's not a new iPod, it's a music player from dell"

he: from hell?
:D

I'd agree, looks like a 60's/70's object with apple's taste.

iTMS for Europe... Come on steve!
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ROTFL!
 
Hey, I doubt you'll be seeing a Dell DJ in any music videos...Apple will continue to succeed with its good looks and innovation.
 
Re: Looks ugly...

Originally posted by AmigoMac
My 3 years old son just came when I was taking a look to that "thing" and said:

"ohh new iPod, but looks really ugly"
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Well that settles it, it's time for a trade dress lawsuit! Apple will easily be able to prove that the "metooPod" is clearly designed to create marketplace confusion-- if this thing's appearance can fool someone with the intelligence of a three year-old, well that describes Dell's entire customer base! ;)

~Philly
 
Re: And yet no Windows iTunes.....

Originally posted by SiliconAddict
Welcome to the real competition Apple. They need the Windows version of iTunes to be released NOW. Not 3 weeks from now. Not tomorrow. NOW. Apple is seriously squandering a golden opportunity and someone like Dell will bite them in the butt for it.
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Maybe you should stop injecting so much silicon into your viens. You have NO IDEA if this music player is either 1. any good, 2. If the music store is any good.

I'll bet it'll use MS's DRM. If thats the case, you have nothing to worry about as not a single other company has pulled it off using MS's DRM. The only, and one and only company that has pulled this off is Apple. And that might not be so true. There is no way Apple has recouped its investment on ITMS yet. And they probably woun't for some time.

As soon as ITMS for windows is released, you'll see Apple get HUGE advertising (free advertising from the news,etc.) because it will be so easy to use.

Look at it this way. BuyMusic.com opens their music store on May 1st 2003. Lets say Apple had nothing but finally put ITMS out Dec. 15th 2003. Which one would you be using and why?

You guys worry way too much about this stuff. Dell has been working on a music store for at least a year. Its not something they came up with yesterday. Apple knows this and thats why their store is and will be that much better.

The battle is AAC vs. MS. Not Apple vs. Dell. I wish you guys would get that.
 
Originally posted by Mr.Hey
If Mr.Dell would put in a little of his own R&D and genuine effort in creating something new and not leech on the hard work, time, money and dedication that Apple has in creating these beautiful products for us. Its an insult and its wrong!. I thought Americans understood these fairly simple concepts and used them as guide and for the bases of doing anything in life?. Guess not.
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If you've ever been to business school, one of the things you are "programmed" to learn is that when another company is successful with their product, come out with your own version...to ride on the wave. True innovation is not taught, it can only trully be learned by one's self.
 
Re: Looks ugly...

Originally posted by AmigoMac
My 3 years old son just came when I was taking a look to that "thing" and said:

"ohh new iPod, but looks really ugly"

me: No, it's not a new iPod, it's a music player from dell"

he: from hell?
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I think the real question is why your son is saying "hell" at 3 years old?
 
Oh my gosh, run for your lives. Apple has competition for the iPod. They might be forced to further innovate and create cooler products and (gasp) might have to lower their prices. <sarcasm>It's an outrage I tell you, what horrible news for Apple and their customers.</sarcasm>
 
I don't think it's so much that people here are bitching or upset about Dell putting this thing out necessarily as it is the credit that Dell will try to take for it. The lemmings out there will largely think again that Dell is a trendsetter here when they are yet again only taking someone else's design and making a cheaper version. What is really upsetting is listening to Michael Dell spew all the time about innovating when the only innovating he has ever done is to make existing computing designs cheaper and more efficiently mass produced.

Personally, I'm glad Dell is around because I think competition is good and it forces Apple to continue to innovate so they can remain 2 steps ahead of the Dell's of the world. However, it would be nice if for only once we could see something truly original come from these guys instead of it always being a cheap knockoff of something Apple has already done months or years earlier. I'm paraphrasing here, but Steve Jobs said it best when he remarked recently that only Dell and Apple are making money these days...Dell does it by being Wal-Mart, while we do it by innovating.
 
I think DELL is going to sell a ton of them.Why? Because, its cheaper, and have a wider customer base to sell it to. But the most important part is Windows Media Player with DRM capability. the age of "Anti-swap CD" is here.

"The soulful singer's Arista debut, which arrives in stores today, may look like a traditional CD. But it's the first of an expected wave of CDs intended to keep listeners from swapping songs on the Net.


The disc has two sets of music tracks: one set of "encrypted" songs that can be handled by CD players but cannot be ripped on computers, and a duplicate set of tracks in the Windows Media format. These can be downloaded from the CD to a computer and then transferred to portable devices or recorded to home CDs.
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Full article Here

Do you think Apple is going to support Windows Media in iTunes/iPod? No, they support AAC only. So,for the average user, a CD is only useful with WIN PC/WMP/DULLPOD.Thats exactly why Microsoft released WMP for Mac with the new DRM, they can play a CD on a Mac, but useless with iTunes/iPod. DULL is going to be the winner in the long run if CDs comes with Microsoft DRM even if iTunes for Windows hit the market soon.

I hope apple will spent more effor in marketing more of Mac OS X / iTunes / iPod . The more switcher, the better. I think iPod/iTunes is still the winner if Apple can convince more people to switch to a less-DRM operating system.
 
It'll be uglier than the iPod.

It'll be less durable than the iPod.

It'll be cheaper than the iPod.

It'll sell better than the iPod.

Apple will offer peripherals and other things we don't need for the iPod.

Apple will experience decreased sales of the iPod due to their unwillingness to compete buck for stinking buck.

michael Dell will rot in "lack of any original thought" HELL with people like Oasis, Vanilla Ice, and anyone who's produced a reality TV show since Survivor and The Amazing Race..
 
But the IPod can do both....

Originally posted by lmalave

I actually like the Dell scrolly thingy and button layout. The iPod's scroll wheel is actually harder to control. It's a really unnatural motion to have to move your thumb in circles. Straight up and down is much more efficient.
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So with the IPod if you want to have a scroll wheel equivelant just use the right hand side of the scrolling circle for up and down. With the Dell, you have but one option, which is very inline with the Microsoft PC world.
 
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