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Dell Digital Jukebox and Dell Music Store
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All this will probably do is wipe out the other players on the market leaving the dell and the iPod as the only real competitors.
Apple has been pretty good recently at competing with Dell feature for feature and price. (The dual G5 comes to mind.)
This is a big money maker for Apple and you can bet they have known this was coming for a long time. Apple has the ability with their superior connections to the music and entertainment industry and now their success that Dell most likely won't be able to match any time soon. Apple hasn't been sitting on their hands getting a windows version ready. Convincing the music industry of this idea is a much more difficult proposition on the dark side. Making it work as seamlessly as iTunes on the mac is also a challenge that Apple probably cares about more than a company on the PC side will.
I am looking for future reductions in price or new features that keep the cool factor of the iPod. (Betting on both.)
People always try to copy Apple but never get it right. This is a big market that is exploding. Apple will still be leading the way.
My only fear is that Apple keeps making the iPod's capacity bigger and bigger. Dell will most likely have a smaller capacity jukebox that will appeal to people that can live with only 5 or 10,000 songs in their pocket. I would like to see Apple keep a 5 or 10 gig model on the market at an aggressive price for this reason.
Apple has been pretty good recently at competing with Dell feature for feature and price. (The dual G5 comes to mind.)
This is a big money maker for Apple and you can bet they have known this was coming for a long time. Apple has the ability with their superior connections to the music and entertainment industry and now their success that Dell most likely won't be able to match any time soon. Apple hasn't been sitting on their hands getting a windows version ready. Convincing the music industry of this idea is a much more difficult proposition on the dark side. Making it work as seamlessly as iTunes on the mac is also a challenge that Apple probably cares about more than a company on the PC side will.
I am looking for future reductions in price or new features that keep the cool factor of the iPod. (Betting on both.)
People always try to copy Apple but never get it right. This is a big market that is exploding. Apple will still be leading the way.
My only fear is that Apple keeps making the iPod's capacity bigger and bigger. Dell will most likely have a smaller capacity jukebox that will appeal to people that can live with only 5 or 10,000 songs in their pocket. I would like to see Apple keep a 5 or 10 gig model on the market at an aggressive price for this reason.
By definition, these are not CD's. In short, a CD can be read by any player and since these are unable to be read by computer CD players, they are not CD's. You'll notice on every one of these fake CD's that there is no holographic label. You know, the little one that says Compact Disc on it.
The fact that these are sold along side CD's is outrageous when in fact, they are not CD's. This is rife for a class action lawsuit and I hope some law firm steps up to do it. It's misleading to the customer to sell CD's alongside fake encrypted CD's because they are different products and most customers don't realize it at the time of purchase.
If I can't rip CD's to iTunes, I'm bitching to any record company that will listen, this is a tragedy.
C'mon people, give those guys/ girls a Dell a break..
Apple (iPod) *IS* cool because it's expensive, has the slickest design, best specs etc. etc.
That's the burden Apple will have to carry...it will never be a product for the masses, a bit like BMW vs. Toyota, so to speak.
So half the world will eventually carry a Dell, Philips or whatever MP3-device. Only the "real cool people" an iPod.
BTW. I saw tonight a shameless plug for the iPod on MTV in a 50Cent video...cool video
Apple (iPod) *IS* cool because it's expensive, has the slickest design, best specs etc. etc.
That's the burden Apple will have to carry...it will never be a product for the masses, a bit like BMW vs. Toyota, so to speak.
So half the world will eventually carry a Dell, Philips or whatever MP3-device. Only the "real cool people" an iPod.
BTW. I saw tonight a shameless plug for the iPod on MTV in a 50Cent video...cool video
yeah i'm included..and i'll be at 768M Saturday. ( i dont want COMPUSA digging in my computer)
Originally posted by Mr.Hey
And that includes you too my little buttercup
(at least get a 512mb or ram.....MAN!!!!)
My 3 years son is a nice iBoy
Let's wait and see, I image a lot of PC guys out there buying it and then complaining or saying something like :
-It's more comfortable for me and my hand (finger(s))
-It's all what I need, It's cheaper than your i, i ... i what?
-and some other things to feel themselves no guilty of that (H)(D)ell-Musicjunkbox
I'll be buying a second iPod for my son, very soon...
Let's wait and see, I image a lot of PC guys out there buying it and then complaining or saying something like :
-It's more comfortable for me and my hand (finger(s))
-It's all what I need, It's cheaper than your i, i ... i what?
-and some other things to feel themselves no guilty of that (H)(D)ell-Musicjunkbox
I'll be buying a second iPod for my son, very soon...
I once worked for a company who pitched the idea of 'new technology' (lets leave it at that so I dont get slammed with a lawsuit) to Dell, and Dell flat out said we should go to Sony or Apple with this idea because they arent in the business of innovation. They blatantly said they watched the market for emerging trends and products, copy the ones that sell/do well, and slash the prices. They are a business only interested in the bottom line.
In my book, thats nothing better than the kid in grade school who never studies and sits next to the smart kid during the tests.
In my book, thats nothing better than the kid in grade school who never studies and sits next to the smart kid during the tests.
The Dell Music Store will fail. How many times have you hear me say that about all of the other music stores? Sure they haven't gone down yet, but how many of them actually said they made a profit?
The Dell MP3 Player will be another failure in the making. Nothing on it says it's better than an iPod. Perhaps price will be the driving factor. Imitation may be flattery, but it is also failure. All of the iMac clones of the CRTs and flat panels are NONEXISTENT! The "i" in other companies died.
Dell has become REALLY desperate now. Selling TVs now. From PC-Maker to TV-Manufacturer. Pathetic. Sorta like Gateway.
Apple has to bring out more products to bring the fight to the PCs instead of defending themselves from PCs and Microsoft. More cutting-edge high-quality devices, Apple. And try to keep them Mac-only and perhaps CHEAPER! And a better education campaign for consumers. I mean jeez, some people either A) can't afford a Mac. B) See no advantages. A computer is a computer. C) Have no experience on a Mac whatsoever.
The Dell MP3 Player will be another failure in the making. Nothing on it says it's better than an iPod. Perhaps price will be the driving factor. Imitation may be flattery, but it is also failure. All of the iMac clones of the CRTs and flat panels are NONEXISTENT! The "i" in other companies died.
Dell has become REALLY desperate now. Selling TVs now. From PC-Maker to TV-Manufacturer. Pathetic. Sorta like Gateway.
Apple has to bring out more products to bring the fight to the PCs instead of defending themselves from PCs and Microsoft. More cutting-edge high-quality devices, Apple. And try to keep them Mac-only and perhaps CHEAPER! And a better education campaign for consumers. I mean jeez, some people either A) can't afford a Mac. B) See no advantages. A computer is a computer. C) Have no experience on a Mac whatsoever.
I just got an iPod. But I need to stop babying it and bringing it everywhere I go. i love it as it is, I will be attached when I start using it constantly.
I am confident that none of my PC friends would get this, I have shown them the light.
I am confident that none of my PC friends would get this, I have shown them the light.
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If you really don't want an iPod, Rio has some decent industrial designs, though their price-point of their larger 20gig player is in line with Apple's
Rio players
Rio players
i hope you guys don't seriously think this is an iPod rip.
the screen is just plain intuitive. so one would seriously expect them to make it differently than how they did it. not significantly anyway. the button arrangement is totally different from any of apple's iPods, and it's actually plenty intuitive, if you ask me. i would have put the scrollbar below the other buttons, but it's no matter. this is a perfectly decent, original design.
the question i would ask anyone who would diss this as an apple rip: if apple doesn't have any competition with its iPod, how do you think they will ever be motivated to make it better and cheaper. Dell is challenging them, if you ask me, and it makes me happy.
the screen is just plain intuitive. so one would seriously expect them to make it differently than how they did it. not significantly anyway. the button arrangement is totally different from any of apple's iPods, and it's actually plenty intuitive, if you ask me. i would have put the scrollbar below the other buttons, but it's no matter. this is a perfectly decent, original design.
the question i would ask anyone who would diss this as an apple rip: if apple doesn't have any competition with its iPod, how do you think they will ever be motivated to make it better and cheaper. Dell is challenging them, if you ask me, and it makes me happy.
how do they stay in business? $300 for a 1.5 GB player? 200 for a 256MB player? good god! you can get a 10 GB iPod for the price of their 1.5.
Umm...
I don't have an iPod (yet), can they record incoming audio...
The pic of this dell thing says 'voice recording'. Does this mean it will record incoming audio? If so isn't that something that we need in the iPod?
I don't have an iPod (yet), can they record incoming audio...
The pic of this dell thing says 'voice recording'. Does this mean it will record incoming audio? If so isn't that something that we need in the iPod?
I think the original company went under and now the Rio players are made by a new company, but for how long ?
The whole thnig about Dell scares me a bit.
I know it a boost for Apple to see Dell trying to be like them and maybe some Dellpod users might switch to iPods, but what about the users that won't ?
There are still many dell users who want cheap PC's instead of an Apple, why should they think different about iPods ?
Then again, Apple will be forced to stay ahead and the trendsetters will hopefully follow.
carrying iPods
Actually, I believe the iPod market makes up for nearly half of the mp3 players bought.
I think the iPod is for the masses. The 20th Ann. Macintosh, that was not.
Originally posted by NoVi
That's the burden Apple will have to carry...it will never be a product for the masses, a bit like BMW vs. Toyota, so to speak.
Actually, I believe the iPod market makes up for nearly half of the mp3 players bought.
I think the iPod is for the masses. The 20th Ann. Macintosh, that was not.
Re: Re: And yet no Windows iTunes.....
Hold on a sec, Professor. Even Steve jobs has admitted that the iTMS doesn't really make that much in the way of profit and that its big potential is in guiding people towards making iPod purchases. You are right to assume that Apple hasn't recouped their costs on the music store yet but I think that they are less concerned with if it breaks even than if it continues to draw people to the light side and into the arms of a 3G iPod that will help them fatten their wallets and maybe even win a few PC converts.
I don't like Dell any more than anyone else on this board but I can tell you that Dell is a trusted brand amongst computer and gadget neophytes. Not only that but Apple gets a mixed opinion from many in the non-tech or media crowd. Many people (my father included unfortunately) don't even know that an iPod will work with a IBM-compatible. Notice I didn't say PC. Apple makes Personal Computers, too, after all.
And this ISN'T about AAC vs. WMA. They're both DRM'd lossy format files. Who cares? That's something for the record companies to work out with Apple and Microsoft. As a consumer I just want the better player which is clearly Apple at this point. My iPod plays my ripped MP3s from my Windows XP machine and my AAC files from my G4 just fine. Even if Dell didn't release their own library of music for people to buy the unit will still sell. Unless HP has overtaken them they still sell more personal computers than anyone in the U.S.
You're right that this isn't Apple vs. Dell. As Apple enthusiasts it's Apple vs everyone that makes a portable personal music device. The reason you don't see people up in arms on this thread over the Creative Nomad is because they know that the Nomad is inferior in functionality, doesn't have one of the largest computer makers in the world selling it, and didn't rip off the style of the iPod. We know the DJ fits the second and third things on that list. We'll have to wait on the functionality part. Dell could have made the "DJ" any color they wanted to but they chose white. This is a color that they are not using on ANY of their other products. But it does happen to be the color of the #1 MP3 player in the world right now. Hmmmmmm.....
Hold on a sec, Professor. Even Steve jobs has admitted that the iTMS doesn't really make that much in the way of profit and that its big potential is in guiding people towards making iPod purchases. You are right to assume that Apple hasn't recouped their costs on the music store yet but I think that they are less concerned with if it breaks even than if it continues to draw people to the light side and into the arms of a 3G iPod that will help them fatten their wallets and maybe even win a few PC converts.
I don't like Dell any more than anyone else on this board but I can tell you that Dell is a trusted brand amongst computer and gadget neophytes. Not only that but Apple gets a mixed opinion from many in the non-tech or media crowd. Many people (my father included unfortunately) don't even know that an iPod will work with a IBM-compatible. Notice I didn't say PC. Apple makes Personal Computers, too, after all.
And this ISN'T about AAC vs. WMA. They're both DRM'd lossy format files. Who cares? That's something for the record companies to work out with Apple and Microsoft. As a consumer I just want the better player which is clearly Apple at this point. My iPod plays my ripped MP3s from my Windows XP machine and my AAC files from my G4 just fine. Even if Dell didn't release their own library of music for people to buy the unit will still sell. Unless HP has overtaken them they still sell more personal computers than anyone in the U.S.
You're right that this isn't Apple vs. Dell. As Apple enthusiasts it's Apple vs everyone that makes a portable personal music device. The reason you don't see people up in arms on this thread over the Creative Nomad is because they know that the Nomad is inferior in functionality, doesn't have one of the largest computer makers in the world selling it, and didn't rip off the style of the iPod. We know the DJ fits the second and third things on that list. We'll have to wait on the functionality part. Dell could have made the "DJ" any color they wanted to but they chose white. This is a color that they are not using on ANY of their other products. But it does happen to be the color of the #1 MP3 player in the world right now. Hmmmmmm.....
Ugly
It looks kind of ugly and clunky compared to what they copied....
Of course that is why I have a 911 C4 and not a Korean car. ;-)
It looks kind of ugly and clunky compared to what they copied....
Of course that is why I have a 911 C4 and not a Korean car. ;-)
A bit of subject, but still:
While I won't get a Dellpod, I might think about one of their upcoming LCD TV's.
Just how loyal does a Mac user have to be ? Do I have to wait for Apples own line of TV's ?
http://news.com.com/2100-1042_3-5080430.html?tag=rn
While I won't get a Dellpod, I might think about one of their upcoming LCD TV's.
Just how loyal does a Mac user have to be ? Do I have to wait for Apples own line of TV's ?
http://news.com.com/2100-1042_3-5080430.html?tag=rn
ipod is great dell is not
Right now I dont even own more than 1000 songs either on cd or buy from itunes music store but since that music special event from apple I bought my first ipod, it is the most amazing thing i ever own, it is quite expensive for some but it is an icon, is a special device that always be remember as well as the music store.
Now with dell is just another mp3 player, there is no way people are going to talk great things about it because it doesnt inovate, and tird party develovers are not going to design so many stuff for this device like for the ipod.
And remember the ipod is more than an mp3, it substitute my pda, it has games, notes, music, backup hardrive. If a company really wants to create the next ipod thing they should really inovate not copy.
Any idea about their ad campain?
Right now I dont even own more than 1000 songs either on cd or buy from itunes music store but since that music special event from apple I bought my first ipod, it is the most amazing thing i ever own, it is quite expensive for some but it is an icon, is a special device that always be remember as well as the music store.
Now with dell is just another mp3 player, there is no way people are going to talk great things about it because it doesnt inovate, and tird party develovers are not going to design so many stuff for this device like for the ipod.
And remember the ipod is more than an mp3, it substitute my pda, it has games, notes, music, backup hardrive. If a company really wants to create the next ipod thing they should really inovate not copy.
Any idea about their ad campain?
The whole thnig about Dell scares me a bit.
I know it a boost for Apple to see Dell trying to be like them and maybe some Dellpod users might switch to iPods, but what about the users that won't ?
There are still many dell users who want cheap PC's instead of an Apple, why should they think different about iPods ?
Then again, Apple will be forced to stay ahead and the trendsetters will hopefully follow.
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Anders, be happy!
Apple has seen this for 2 decades. You can bet that when the iPod sales & ITMS started ramping up , that design work on the next several generations that was already underway went into overdrive.
I wouldn't be surprised to see audio, tunes, radio, video & BT wireless connectivity in the next generation. It is easy to envision but hard to innovate. Apple has continually done it.
Bo
I know it a boost for Apple to see Dell trying to be like them and maybe some Dellpod users might switch to iPods, but what about the users that won't ?
There are still many dell users who want cheap PC's instead of an Apple, why should they think different about iPods ?
Then again, Apple will be forced to stay ahead and the trendsetters will hopefully follow.
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Anders Dahl.com
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Anders, be happy!
Apple has seen this for 2 decades. You can bet that when the iPod sales & ITMS started ramping up , that design work on the next several generations that was already underway went into overdrive.
I wouldn't be surprised to see audio, tunes, radio, video & BT wireless connectivity in the next generation. It is easy to envision but hard to innovate. Apple has continually done it.
Bo