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Dells are really so insanely cheap.
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SMM said:
No, I do believe, with all due respect, that you are incorrect.
Inspiron E1505
Base Price: 729-100(save instantly)+250 (C2D 2.0GHz)=$829
generik said:
Now, to compare how much it would cost from Dell to get what Apple is offering is harder to do becasue they no longer offer Core Duo in their higher level notebooks (that have the dedicated graphics, etc.).
So what is someone supposed to talk you out of it? Its really foolish to make a complaint about Apple, and then throw Dell prices up as if anyone cares about what computer you use but yourself. If you dont like Apple's model, price, or whatever..then guess whatgenerik said:Is this your best response?
Wow, Apple users are no better losers than smug Linux nerds jerking off to a picture of Richard Stallman...
spend your money elsewhere
I dont buy from companies that dont give me what I think I ought to have for the price...
how about you do the same
its really that simple
go get your dell or ****
Agreed that there's a high premium on the OS, and that current buyers of MBPs seem to be overpaying, but it's not that high.
We aren't comparing a $550 Dell vs. $2000 Apple, and then saying that Apple's charging $1450 in premium for the OS, even if the specs were the same. Not a fair comparison for Apple, because the build quality is not the same.
So it may be inaccurate for people to think that Apple prices their hardware four times higher than Dell. (Actually, a bit more, since you have to pay tax with Apple.)
What is fair, though, is to say that for several hundred more dollars, the Dell might be able to become more comparable to the Apple in build quality.(Who knows?) Is the Apple build quality plus OS worth a whopping 300% premium on top of the $550 Dell? And I think for some people, it's a yes, and others it's a no. For me, it's a no, and I'd rather hold out until Apple widens the gap between it and the competitors and makes my answer a yes. Well, I was holding out, I'm buying an iMac now. Still a happy purchase, can't wait for 24 inches
We aren't comparing a $550 Dell vs. $2000 Apple, and then saying that Apple's charging $1450 in premium for the OS, even if the specs were the same. Not a fair comparison for Apple, because the build quality is not the same.
So it may be inaccurate for people to think that Apple prices their hardware four times higher than Dell. (Actually, a bit more, since you have to pay tax with Apple.)
What is fair, though, is to say that for several hundred more dollars, the Dell might be able to become more comparable to the Apple in build quality.(Who knows?) Is the Apple build quality plus OS worth a whopping 300% premium on top of the $550 Dell? And I think for some people, it's a yes, and others it's a no. For me, it's a no, and I'd rather hold out until Apple widens the gap between it and the competitors and makes my answer a yes. Well, I was holding out, I'm buying an iMac now. Still a happy purchase, can't wait for 24 inches
Alright, everyone needs to calm down... This is a typical thread of generik's posting nature so just ignore it. It's going nowhere.
Exactly.....p0intblank said:What's this... another thread by generik putting down Apple and praising another company? Who would've thought?
p0intblank said:What's this... another thread by generik putting down Apple and praising another company? Who would've thought?
Hey, I am not here to put Apple down, I have won 2 switchers to date, and I'd want to win one more switcher here where it potentially matters
But seriously, in response to this kind of pricing how would YOU respond? You can't. Dell is giving a way better processor (the same one we MBP waiters have been pining for since WWDC!) for less than the price of a Macbook and with a $500 (~ USD$330) online store order rebate makes it almost a third cheaper, and likewise less than a third the price of a Macbook Pro.
Now I am not comparing this elcheapo junk to the MBP, but surely it is reasonable to assume that you are to spend 3x as much on a car (for instance), you are not going to get a slower engine for one? Sure there might be other niceties, like a leather lined soft drink holder beside your steering wheel, and a 5000W sound system that can be heard 100km away, and even a GPS tracking that can route the most efficient path from California to Beijing, but on the road when even a cheap Toyota scoots you buy and leaves you in the dust, how are you going to justify that?
That's the exact same situation here.
Yeah yeah yeah, the OS is good, nevermind the fact that I've already shelled out quite some coin to get 3 EyeTV 410s daisychained together to make a tri-tuner DVR rig... I am just going to throw it all away to get a Dell because Apple is ridiculously fleecing us! And then I will come up with some lame emotionally charged statement about how Apple is wonderful and justify their ridiculous prices and lame hardware! Oh wait, isn't that the reason why we even have the Intel switch to start with? You know, the switch which basically says "Haha, you all are suckers for the past few years for believing in the myth of the Mhz myth?"
Seriously, stop the fanboism already, face this argument for what it is worth.
SMM said:
if you knew anything about how dell works you will know they UPCHARGE major companies bc they KNOW they will pay whatever price you throw at them. you can go into dell small business section and buy a pentium m inspiron 1300 for $500. OR if you really knew dell you could buy refurbished from the outlet and pay about $349 for that same laptop that is $500 in the small business section. you have to learn to play the dell game you can't call dell prices crap bc you got some random quote from a rep....they are just there to rip you off bc you're a company. I've bought many dell's and I suggest refurbished ones to everyone. here's an example of what i can get in the outlet....
Inspiron 1300/B130 Notebook: Intel Pentium M Processor 735 (1.70GHz/2MB Cache/533MHz FSB)
Genuine Windows XP Home Unit Price: $349
Certified Refurbished
1 GB DDR2 SDRAM 533MHz (2 DIMMs)
80 GB EIDE Hard Drive (5400 RPM)
8X DVD+/-RW Drive
15.4 inch WXGA Notebook Screen
4 Cell Primary Battery
2915 Wireless Card
Insp B130/1300 STD: 90 Days Ltd Warranty, 90 Days Mail-In Service, and 90 Days HW Warr Spt( upgrade to 1 year for $29)
Subtotal: $349
The 700m i have in my sig i bought for $679 from the outlet
this is also what's available as well....but of course everyone thinks refurbished machines are no good when they are basically brand new or not even used machines that were refused delivery....
http://outlet.us.dell.com/ARBOnline...tails?systemId=EJ920LEA&c=us&cs=28&l=en&s=dfb
ZoomZoomZoom said:Agreed that there's a high premium on the OS, and that current buyers of MBPs seem to be overpaying, but it's not that high.
We aren't comparing a $550 Dell vs. $2000 Apple, and then saying that Apple's charging $1450 in premium for the OS, even if the specs were the same. Not a fair comparison for Apple, because the build quality is not the same.
So it may be inaccurate for people to think that Apple prices their hardware four times higher than Dell. (Actually, a bit more, since you have to pay tax with Apple.)
What is fair, though, is to say that for several hundred more dollars, the Dell might be able to become more comparable to the Apple in build quality.(Who knows?) Is the Apple build quality plus OS worth a whopping 300% premium on top of the $550 Dell? And I think for some people, it's a yes, and others it's a no. For me, it's a no, and I'd rather hold out until Apple widens the gap between it and the competitors and makes my answer a yes. Well, I was holding out, I'm buying an iMac now. Still a happy purchase, can't wait for 24 inches
The build quality might obviously be better for the Mac, but are you otherwise insinuating that Apple is putting in inferior components and covering up their shortcoming by that shiny exterior and supposedly better build quality?
You don't shine a turd you know, you kind of, erm.. make it good inside, and make it good outside as well, instead of just the outside.
p0intblank said:What's this... another thread by generik putting down Apple and praising another company? Who would've thought?
Quite, the dell link doesn't even work for me
, totally pointless, i mean he could have said a Dell Core 2 Duo cost $1, and I wouldn't no any better , in the UK it costs £809 for Core 2 Duo, which is over $1500.Eraserhead said:Quite, the dell link doesn't even work for me
http://www1.ap.dell.com/content/products/features.aspx/inspn_640m?c=sg&l=en&s=bsd
See it for yourself then. Take the leftmost option, and configure it for a C2D chip, then minus off the rebate.
Overkill pricing!
yes and people can't say that's not real.....bc it comes straight from dell's website. how do you think all the ebay resellers get so many dell refurbished systems?generik said:
there are some even at $199....it's amazing man. that's why i love dell's laptops so much. I can buy one use it for a month then sell it and make a ton of profit. of course you need to know how to play the outlet game otherwise you're stuck with $500 celeron's haha.
less than HALF of the 17inch macbook pro....same parts, different OS
http://outlet.us.dell.com/ARBOnline...emId=F5D0JF61&~lt=popup&c=us&l=en&s=dfh&cs=22
Why does it matter how cheap Dells are?
Anyone can and will buy whatever they want. I'll continue buying Mac's because, to me, OS X is worth it. Plus, why would I want to run a five year old OS?
This is all just worthless bickering.
Anyone can and will buy whatever they want. I'll continue buying Mac's because, to me, OS X is worth it. Plus, why would I want to run a five year old OS?
This is all just worthless bickering.
rmhop81 said:yes and people can't say that's not real.....bc it comes straight from dell's website. how do you think all the ebay resellers get so many dell refurbished systems?
there are some even at $199....it's amazing man. that's why i love dell's laptops so much. I can buy one use it for a month then sell it and make a ton of profit. of course you need to know how to play the outlet game otherwise you're stuck with $500 celeron's haha.
The real funny thing about that price is the $279 laptop is cheaper than a refurb Core Solo 1.5 Mac Mini which goes for $540 or so IIRC...
Anyway I noticed that the prices quoted for the C2D laptop was after the $500 reduction and not before, and phew... at least that makes it easier to justify the price difference to her. "OMG! A laptop less than $1000!" doesn't make it hard to justify when the Macbook costs S$2000 and gives not that much more.
People here can talk till the sun supernovas about how MacOS is worth a lot and blah blah blah, but to people who have never used MacOS before, how would they understand that kind of explanation? It wouldn't work. You'd probably have better luck sell Macs to them on account of "Look! Shiny!"
Dude, we get it. How is being an Apple fanboi worse than being an Dell fanboi on an Apple message board?
evilgEEk said:Why does it matter how cheap Dells are?
Anyone can and will buy whatever they want. I'll continue buying Mac's because, to me, OS X is worth it. Plus, why would I want to run a five year old OS?
This is all just worthless bickering.
Yes, because Cheetah isn't released in 2001.. Oh wait, it is!
skipsandwichdx said:
it's not about being a FANBOY.....not one APPLE fanboy on this site will believe any pricing from dell and if they do it's just a complete piece of junk and it's made horribly. apple people need to open their eyes and get off of steve jobs for a second. I thought the whole point of the intel thing was to make machines cheaper....It's funny how when they were introduced the prices went up by $100? HMMM doesn't make much sense to me. I buy dell laptops and apple desktops. Every apple laptop i've had has heat issues or some kind of problem. The imac and mini i've had are great machines. I pay for them bc i like them and they are unique machines that no other computer can come up with. They can have a premium on the mini and imac for that reason. I just can't justify spending $2799 on a machine that really costs only $1300 for the exact same hardware. I'm just trying to shed some light to the APPLE FANBOYS out there that CHEAP dell prices DO exist....if you feel great spending DOUBLE or even TRIPLE the price of dell just for the OS that's fine. Just know that you're paying a huge premium just for the OS. I'm done now, thanks.
If you resort to the shift key to get your point across, you need some better arguments.
Seriously, I'm pretty sure most computer users are aware Dell exists.
Seriously, I'm pretty sure most computer users are aware Dell exists.
generik said:
Playing the fanboy card to prove a point you don't have is really getting old.
"You like Apple HAH you're a FANBOY!!!"
I rationalize my buying decisions by closely analyzing my two choices, going over every aspect, and then finally deciding that I don't want a BIG ****ING UGLY DELL ON MY DESK ok? Is that a good enough rationalization for you?
Wow, they really are cheap. But I just got tired of Windows and wanted to try something different. Now I will never go back. I know that it cost more, but it is much better. Worth the price difference? Many people don't think so, but many do. Elitists? Maybe. But I really like my Macs.
Also, are any of you Dell supporters looking at these machines? They really are FUGLY. Doesn't that mean anything. I think Macs just look sleek and sophisticated. Very well built machines.
Also, are any of you Dell supporters looking at these machines? They really are FUGLY. Doesn't that mean anything. I think Macs just look sleek and sophisticated. Very well built machines.
Rationalise away. Do we have have to hear it though? Again and again and again? We know. We heard you, you're right. We're all suckers and fanboys. OK?generik said:
Give it a rest.
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