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Number of times I've used a computer in the dark: zero.
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Dells are really so insanely cheap.
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I'll never buy a Dell after working at a Campus shop that's authorized to repair Dells (we'll finally be Apple-authorized later this year). A new Dell comes in at least every hour for repairs. And most of them are two weeks old.
I do agree that they are amazingly-priced though. I would buy a Dell monitor. I'm actually looking at one two be a second monitor for my future iMac. I like how they have sales so you can get one with a 4-year warranty for less than the same one with a 3-year warranty.
Daniel.
I do agree that they are amazingly-priced though. I would buy a Dell monitor. I'm actually looking at one two be a second monitor for my future iMac. I like how they have sales so you can get one with a 4-year warranty for less than the same one with a 3-year warranty.
Daniel.
QCassidy352 said:
Not sure if I can agree with your 2nd point, but I think your first point is good. It'd be nice for Apple to have more competition to force them to upgrade more/cut prices. Nonetheless, I use my computer for hours upon hours a day, and it's definitely worth it to pay extra to make those thousands of hours (over the computer's lifetime) more enjoyable. $2000 is a lot of money, but considering how much I get out of such a computer, the cost is negligable.
All the same, if Apple could make those $2000 go even further, the better. Where people get mad is in the assumption that Apple could make the $2000 go further, but aren't. Your $600 today would buy a better Dell today than you could 6 months ago. Your $2000 today buys nearly the same MBP today as you could have bought 6 months ago. Why? Is Apple slow? Then generik has a point. Or is Apple working on fixing major issues with the MBP and giving it a better chassis? Then Apple is choosing to lag behind a bit for now to deliver a better, more reliable product later. No one really knows for sure though.
I'm afraid you're contradicting yourself here.generik said:
I realize you're implying that we are still on the same operating system (OS X) since 2001. But yet you then refer to it as Cheetah, but see, we're not running Cheetah anymore. I believe the current release was codenamed "Tiger".
And before you start spewing contradictory statements, at least correct your grammar.
If you don't want to pay any more than that of a Dell, then by all means get a Dell. Although I suppose you just like the attention you gain when you post anti-Apple comments on these boards.
Enjoy your Dell!
I get SG$1602 after Singapore's tax is added on, (added bluetooth to make it direct comparison to cheapest MacBook). For Apple, SG$1889, (not sure of tax, but since Dell said 5%, that would be SG$1983), but I am assuming that is without the discount difference so that's actually SG$1983 vs SG$1102.generik said:
I tried to spec up laptops on the US and UK Dell sites for a fairer comparison. The UK site has the exact same model as Singapore, so that came out at £678, (including VAT), the MacBook at £749. The closest I could get on the US was E1405, (without searching for hours and trying every model), which eventually came out at $1044, the MacBook, at $1099. I will admit the closest I could get with a C2D on the US site had 1GB RAM and DVD burner, so taking the next MacBook and setting it up for identical specs, $1399.
Remember this is as close a comparison as you can get, the only difference being CD vs C2D and typically 1.83GHz vs 2.0GHz respectively.
So:
Singapore
Apple:SG$1983=$1249
Dell:SG$1102=$695
UK
Apple:£749=$1404
Dell:£678=$1270
US
Apple:$1399
Dell:$1044
So not really the $550 that we are being told earlier, unless you want to travel out to the Far East, (as Dell will only delivery locally too). Even the same spec machine from earlier doesn't make it down that low. Since Apple isn't really popular outside the US and Europe, (perhaps Japan to an extent too), my guess is they don't tend to sell quantities enough to justify the price drop. If they did, nobody would buy in the US either, just import.
For me, in the UK, that £75 ($135) difference seems worth it when I am virus-free, (yep, I didn't add that in, but it would be crucial with Windows), have a much easier, stable OS, longer battery life and iLife thrown in to boot, (£55 retail).
If you're living in a country like Singapore where Dell etc is dirt cheap, good for you. For the rest of us, the slight premium seems to be worth it for most of us.
pianoman said:
Agreed!
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generik said:Buy button? Which buy button
There not user friendly either
Just because this was bugging me, I went back and found this. It appears that the price is after the discount is subtracted already. So that bargain I stated earlier was actually SG$1602. So that's now:
Singapore, (after tax)
Apple:$1249
Dell:$1009
Again, only $240 for iLife, no viruses etc.
Singapore, (after tax)
Apple:$1249
Dell:$1009
Again, only $240 for iLife, no viruses etc.
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generik said:
You are not comparing Apples to Apple.
You are talking about a processor that has a 20% performance increase at best and acting like that's the whole Enchilada.
If the Apple was in a cheap ugly plastic case with all the I/O ports sticking out with Intel stickers all over it and ran windows, you'd have a point. Since the Apple doesn't, you don't.
I agree Apple seems to be lagging behind - maybe they got a deal for jumping on the Yonah bandwagon and got a boatload of them to get ramped up and they haven't been so lucky with Merom.
But compare something real-world.
Bah computers they're just toys or tools. Who really gives a toss what the other guy uses? If someone can buy a Dell for $5 and it does what they want go for it! It's not hurting anyone, well other than the other IT resellers that can't match Dells prices when they sell stuff at a loss to win customers.
jamone80 said:dell computers are cheap cuz the parts they use are from various (usually chinese) vendors...they're pretty much the "whores" of the computer world..."they'll put anything inside them to earn a buck."
Oh, yeah, I forgot that Apple hardware parts are exclusively produced in the USA by people who are working 20 hours a week for 200.000 bucks a year.
Well, if the main point of your argument is that since both Dell and Apple use similar processors and the difference just lies in the design of the case, the OS, etc., how would you justify the higher cost of a ThinkPad compared to Dell when ThinkPad and Dell are more similar than Apple and Dell.
Companies use a lot of different strategies to seperate themselves from their competition and pricing, quality, brand name, service, reputation etc are all an integral part of it. These are the things that differentiate Dell, Lenovo, Sony, Apple, etc.
You got to understand that Dell is the Chevy of Laptops and Apple is the Ferrari of laptops. If you cannot afford a Ferrari, why haggle for a Chevy in a Ferrari store? Pointless!
Although, it would be great if Apple could reduce the price of their laptops. We ALL would love it and no one would complain about that!
Companies use a lot of different strategies to seperate themselves from their competition and pricing, quality, brand name, service, reputation etc are all an integral part of it. These are the things that differentiate Dell, Lenovo, Sony, Apple, etc.
You got to understand that Dell is the Chevy of Laptops and Apple is the Ferrari of laptops. If you cannot afford a Ferrari, why haggle for a Chevy in a Ferrari store? Pointless!
Although, it would be great if Apple could reduce the price of their laptops. We ALL would love it and no one would complain about that!
ZoomZoomZoom said:
Well, you don't have to.
As I said, in my case, the OS is more important than the hardware. A 10% processor difference means basically nothing to many, many users, but the OS plays a part in everything I do. I'd be more efficient (and happier) on a 1 Ghz G4 running Tiger than a core 2 duo running XP.If I can have the core 2 duo running Tiger then so much the better, but the features, stability, and integration of the mac OS have a lot more to do with my productivity and enjoyment than processor power. If I rendered video, worked with RAW files, or played Oblivion then I might feel differently, but I don't.
I've got a Dell. It's about a year old, solid laptop, but windows xp tends to be finicky. I'm a web developer and work with php mysql all that fun stuff on a daily basis. After all I've looked into I can only say that I am a little upset that I'll probably have to wait nearly a year or more to purchase a macbook. A macbook pro would set me back a good fair amount, and I'm fully ready to invest it - I just need it first.
For all those out there thinking Dell is the one to beat, you've got to remember, it's a different game. Comparing Dell & Apple is like comparing Apples & Oranges.
An entry level person may be able to buy a Dell, I only paid about 1k for mine a year ago, and it's holding up well. But in a year vista will be out in force, then I will have to choose when i purchase a new laptop - windows or apple. I'll be choosing Apple. Vista, while nice, I have a good feeling that will be able to run on a stadard macbook by then. Why then buy a dell? Dell's service & support, I've never needed. Looking at the price structure, and having purchased a Dell, I can only tell you that I am anxious to get me a macbook pro. Even if I have to wait a year, and pay out the wazoo up front, in the end I truly think it will be worth it. I just need to get my moneys worth out of this one first.
For all those out there thinking Dell is the one to beat, you've got to remember, it's a different game. Comparing Dell & Apple is like comparing Apples & Oranges.
An entry level person may be able to buy a Dell, I only paid about 1k for mine a year ago, and it's holding up well. But in a year vista will be out in force, then I will have to choose when i purchase a new laptop - windows or apple. I'll be choosing Apple. Vista, while nice, I have a good feeling that will be able to run on a stadard macbook by then. Why then buy a dell? Dell's service & support, I've never needed. Looking at the price structure, and having purchased a Dell, I can only tell you that I am anxious to get me a macbook pro. Even if I have to wait a year, and pay out the wazoo up front, in the end I truly think it will be worth it. I just need to get my moneys worth out of this one first.
generik said:
Switch back to a PC with WinXP and be done with it already. An Apple computer isn't worth it.....for you. However, just because you don't think it's worth it, you feel the need to create a post to convince others of the same. Do you honestly think your opinion is so important that you actually have to start a thread just to post one of your brain-farts? Nobody even asked for your opinion, or to "show us the light." You just seem to think that you need to save us.
Would I switch back for Windows Vista? Maybe. I haven't used it. All I know right now is that Mac OSX is something I'm willing to pay more for. Why? Because it's completely transparent and in the background while I do my work. Windows isn't like that. Buy the system that will be completely transparent to you while you do your work. It's just a tool, after all. I have a Dell 3.4 GHz P4 with 2 GB of RAM, and yet I still chose to do my work on my MacBook.
We are all well aware of Dell, it's prices, and it's offerings. If MS Vista comes around and it's reliable and provides me with the ease of use, security, and reliability that Apple offers me, and Dell is offering cheaper laptops with nice design and build quality, then I'll take a Dell.
You sound like the abused wife who always says how awful he is, and yet is not smart enough to leave even when she has every opportunity to do so. You're allowed to leave the Apple bubble at any time. You're also allowed to rejoin at any time. It is a buyer's market, and you can take your money elsewhere if Apple products aren't worth it.
Buy the system that will be completely transparent to you while you do your work. I have. Dell's don't do that for me. I'm always aware of the shortcomings of WinXP. I can't even SSH easily with a WinXP, and simple things like Bluetooth syncing with my phone doesn't work smoothly like it does with my Mac. Actually, everything runs more smooth on my Mac, hence the "transparency" of the OS.generik said:
The OS is everything. I could work on an even slower system if it still means that I'll be more productive using it. Computers are just tools.
You should get out more.
pianoman said:
I agree. Apple computers have better components than dell. additionally The OS and Software are just better.
If you really want a good deal so badly, wait till the new macbooks come out and buy an original macbook, or refurbished macbook at a great deal.
you will be happier with that than a DELL.
alFR said:
Haha. I'm glad to see someone finally say this. I have not had a blue screen of death in well over a year and I use windows XP everyday. Also, I almost never have an app crash and have not had the OS crash on me in over six months (other than when the Hard Drive went out which was replaced overnight by Dell). Thankfully, I backup my data so this was not an issue. I really get sick of people saying XP is the crap of the universe just because it is not OSX. Sure, OSX is a better OS but for crying out loud, everyone needs to stop over exaggerating how bad XP is.
prady16 said:
Exactly, price is only one aspect of the overall purchase decision. How else do you explain:
Nordstroms vs. Wal-Mart vs. Target.
Rolex vs. Timex vs. Swatch
Aston-Martin vs. Kia vs. Toyota
People buy what they buy for the reasons that THEY have. It does not matter what the specifications are, things other than price matters. That is why a 1800 sq. ft. house in Santa Monica, CA costs $2 million and a 3600 sq ft. house in Detroit, MI costs $265,000.
prady16 said:
I'm dead serious. Just stay off the porn and warez sites and the windows computing world is much more pleasant...that and always being behind the firewall of my router at home and the firewall at work. Even Vista RC1 has been very stable for me but I have not been running it long enough to be able to comment on the long-term performance.
Damnit all to hell...
How many PCs did Dell sell in 2005?
How many did Apple sell in 2005?
Do you REALLY expect Apple to sell computers at the same price as a company that sells X as many computers?
How many PCs did Dell sell in 2005?
How many did Apple sell in 2005?
Do you REALLY expect Apple to sell computers at the same price as a company that sells X as many computers?
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