Dells are really so insanely cheap.

[Abstract]

on my thinkpad (3 yrs), i have no anti virus, i have no firewall, i have no anti spyware that's not part of the windows and my router.. yet i have only had one spyware incident in the past 3 yrs... and i'm no expert in using the system.. there are still much to learn

You have no antivirus, and you have no anti-spyware detector. You say you also don't have any spyware or viruses. Do you think think it's because you have no way to detect what they're doing to your system?

You cannot sit there with a straight face and tell me that Windows doesn't need an anticirus software, a firewall, or any sense of automatic software updates. If you can, then you'll have to explain to me why there are millions of Windows users out there with zombified PCs and they don't even know it.

And it doesn't change the fact that an unpatched, unprotected PC on an open network is typically compomised within 30 minutes.

Exactly. I wonder why his computer is so special. Must have been vaccinated or something.

 

[dpaanlka]

You have no antivirus, and you have no anti-spyware detector. You say you also don't have any spyware or viruses. Do you think think it's because you have no way to detect what they're doing to your system?

LOL most likely...

 

[Abstract]

so $100 it is, do you want my address so you can come over and prove my computer is not as clean as i think?

if you need a more plain language-ed version of what i said.. i run full virus scan, full spyware scan and full malware scan about every half year.. i scan with mcfee, norton, and panda (yes, i scan three times). THAT is the longer version for "checked"

That's a bit different to what you said before, or at least it's much different than the impression that you wanted to give about not requiring antivirus or firewall, etc. I know you may have worded your sentence so that this isn't exactly what you said, but this is what you intended for us to take from what you said.

Oh, and I never ever ever have to use any of that stuff. See? My OS is completely transparent to me while I'm doing my work.

 

[Abstract]

OP said, per computer base, apple charges more..
some says, you are paying for the "experience", the look, the OS (which cost a bit over 100), and this and that
i said, but those don't cost apple much to produce

Yes it does. How many other computer makers create laptops that look as nice as a Mac? IMO, no other company. It's not easy to create something universally appealing.

therefore they are therefore making bigger margin, since stuff they charge us (the experience, e.g.) doesn't really cost apple to produce...

This is completely false. The "experience" of using the computer is everything, and is the most important part. Without OS X, it's just electronic bits and parts put together. It doesn't do anything. How well all software works together is the most important part, along with transparency, as I said before.

Bill Gates was right when he said that software is the way to go, and is why MS won't make hardware. Apple just happens to make both, but it's really the software and OS that I use a Mac.

 

[NewSc2]

yay, Apple vs. PC!

Truth be told, I was jealous when I was playing WoW on my 17" Powerbook and looking over at my friend's cheapie 17" Dell laptop, running full specs, and running at 3-4x faster than mine was. His laptop was also about $1100, which was much less than half I paid for mine.

Doesn't everybody here know that the biggest argument against a Mac is its pricing? Some things are relative bargains, like the iMac, but you gotta admit that PC's are cheaper than Macs.

Plus everybody saying everything about buying Antiviruses, buying anti-spyware... haven't you heard of freeware? Windows has loads of it... Windows is vastly more supported by the open source community than OSX is. I still use my Windows computer more than my Mac, but they both have their uses.

As for this "Mac OSX experience" it doesn't really bug me switching back and forth. It's like adapting between a stick and an automatic tranny. If I *really* had to choose between Mac OSX and Windows, I'd probably go with Windows.

That's not to say I love OSX. I'm always having to defend Mac OSX against all my PC friends...

 

[dextertangocci]

I can't recognise you with your new avatar, generik!

You are right, Dells are insanely cheap, but as the saying goes - you get what you pay for

 

[gnasher729]

The original poster does have a point: Dells are cheaper.

Actually, Dell sells laptops at a huge range of different prices. Some or cheap and crappy, but at the high end of their range they are actually a lot more expensive than a comparable Macintosh. Like a Dell Precision M90 for £1,991 plus tax and shipping, compared to the 17 inch MacBook Pro for £1,616 plus tax with free shipping, and the Dell needing lots of expensive upgrade to become comparable. Not that any of the Dell fans would ever mention that.

 

[generik]

Point is, Dells are cheap, but Dells are also crap.

Apples are expensive, but for the price we get expensive crap. Like an earlier experience today, was burning a DVD for a buddy in Toast when Toast threw back some MEDIA SENSE error towards the end of the burn and didn't eject the disk.

The disk also didn't show up in finder, nor under disk utilities. Now I am stuck with a very good question: how the **** do I get the disk out?

Form over function, in the rest of the PC world I just press the eject button, or stick a prong into the eject hole and get it out. For the Mac I am stuffed, when MacOS screws up.

With Macs you have less choices not only in terms of hardware, but in terms of what you are allowed to do with the software too! Between a world that is completely automated by Windows vs a world completely driven by Mac I'd take the Windows option any day. If Windows screws up, well it just screws up. If Mac screws up, well you are really screwed.

 

[bigandy]

stick a prong into the eject hole and get it out. For the Mac I am stuffed, when MacOS screws up.

you can do that on any Mac, actually.

 

[generik]

Who wants to buy a cheap car with a bad engine?

Better question is who wants an expensive car with last decade's engine?

Stop these car analogies already.

you can do that on any Mac, actually.

How? I don't see any eject hole..

 

[Leoff]

Wait a second...

You mean... Dell sells cheaper computers?

Holy crap! Why didn't someone TELL me!?!

*runs out and buys a Dell*



This isn't news, dude.

 

[Dont Hurt Me]

True we all Bust on Dell and yes it uses Windows which doesnt compare to Mac OS but the Fact is the Hardware just blows away what apple offers in the $1000 category. Im looking at $1000 machines that have graphics = to or better then iMac they throw in a free 19" monitor and stuff like that. Then you look over at Apples Mini and its using GMA950??? Plus Dell is selling configurations with your choice of CPU, Your choice of graphics etc while at Apple they play the iMac game. Mini with crap graphics vs All in one vs PowerMac. I decided to just cancel my Mini Order and wait for Apple to pull its head out of its games. Dell offers 256 mb graphics in sub $1000 machines. Apple is just behind on the GPU front big time and the GPU's are becoming so important. Im waiting for Leopard,Decent graphics, and the Airport N standard before I make my next purchase. Apple is selling Last yrs tech at next year prices I have decided after Looking at Dell. Apple needs to put those imac inards in a nice little box until they do Im not buying.

 

[bigandy]

How? I don't see any eject hole..

you don't see them, apple hides them so they don't upset the design. they are usually to the extreme right of the optical slot. try apple's support site, it'll tell you there.

 

[generik]

You mean... Dell sells cheaper computers?

Holy crap! Why didn't someone TELL me!?!

*runs out and buys a Dell*



This isn't news, dude.

Dude, what you meant to say is "Dell sells better performing computers?!"

 

[Abstract]

True we all Bust on Dell and yes it uses Windows which doesnt compare to Mac OS but the Fact is the Hardware just blows away what apple offers in the $1000 category. Im looking at $1000 machines that have graphics = to or better then iMac they throw in a free 19" monitor and stuff like that. Then you look over at Apples Mini and its using GMA950??? Plus Dell is selling configurations with your choice of CPU, Your choice of graphics etc while at Apple they play the iMac game. Mini with crap graphics vs All in one vs PowerMac. I decided to just cancel my Mini Order and wait for Apple to pull its head out of its games. Dell offers 256 mb graphics in sub $1000 machines. Apple is just behind on the GPU front big time and the GPU's are becoming so important. Im waiting for Leopard,Decent graphics, and the Airport N standard before I make my next purchase. Apple is selling Last yrs tech at next year prices I have decided after Looking at Dell. Apple needs to put those imac inards in a nice little box until they do Im not buying.

A Dell doesn't compare to the Mac Mini. That tiny-computer market isn't really in the same market as what Dell offers. You're right about performance, but lets not compare things that are entirely different. People have put the Mini in their car, under their TV, in the corner of their kitchen, etc. I think Asus offers a small, Mini-esque computer. Compare the price of those to the Mac Mini. I'm curious.

 

[FFTT]

People have bitched about Apple's choices of video cards for quite some time, especially in products like the mini and in their laptops.

You seem to forget that those cards Dell is offering product quite a bit of heat.

Apple has very strict thermal guidelines that limit what they can squeeze
into some of their otherwise amazing products.

I will not argue that Apple needs a sub $1000.00 upgradable tower, but they don't have one yet!

Honestly if you want Apple to offer a mid priced tower, you need to write Apple.

 

[dpaanlka]

Apples are expensive, but for the price we get expensive crap. Like an earlier experience today, was burning a DVD for a buddy in Toast when Toast threw back some MEDIA SENSE error towards the end of the burn and didn't eject the disk.

That isn't Apple being crap, that is just you being a complete idiot, which judging by your forum posts, isn't very hard to imagine.

The difference here is a Saab is definitely better performing than say.. a Honda, gives a way smoother ride, better performance.

Better question is who wants an expensive car with last decade's engine?

Stop these car analogies already.

The 2007 Saab 9-5's engine was originally designed in the early 70s, yet it is still more powerful, more reliable, and more refined than many engines even today. Go figure.

I really am starting to think you're a troll since you have disregarded pretty much everything that everyone has said, and just keep repeating yourself.

 

[vniow]

Die thread die!

 

[Dont Hurt Me]

Dell has some great hardware options, you can build a system just as you want but then are stuck with windows. Apples hardware configurations suck to be blunt. Generik has some very valid points.

 

[dpaanlka]

Dell has some great hardware options, you can build a system just as you want but then are stuck with windows. Apples hardware configurations suck to be blunt. Generik has some very valid points.

No... they just suck for you. Why should Apple compromise for you? They seem to be doing just fine without your patronage.

Yes, it would be nice to have a low end expandable Mac tower. But seriously people, Apple doesn't suddenly *suck* because they don't have one. I can't recall a time when they ever did.

 

[zap2]

yay, Apple vs. PC!

Some things are relative bargains, like the iMac, but you gotta admit that PC's are cheaper than Macs.

Um..no?
Price tag on a PC might be cheaper for the low end, but whens its over with I doubt it. And high end Macs are cheap from the start

No... they just suck for you.

Yup...Apple's hardware is everything I need and more...that is not the case for All people. Just as Dell does not have everything people need. Dell's iMac laptop is cost much more then an iMac, and I don't think Dell has a Mini like computer.

 

[dpaanlka]

I really think its hilarious that a few people still insist on saying Apple sucks because Apple don't build exactly the ideal machine that they have in mind. Who is holding a gun to your head? Nobody is forcing you to buy, or even consider a Macintosh!

If you want Apple's OS, then you have to have Apple's hardware! What part about that don't you guys understand? Apple is not a monopoly. You have literally hundreds of other choices, and apparently some that suit your needs better than anything Apple is offering.

I guess I'll give it to generik on this one. You're right. Apple is a company. They dont care what you want. They only care about making the machines that will sell the most so they can have the money to develop even more awesome-ness in the future. It's not Apple's job "Dont Hurt Me" to build whatever you dream up.

Stop fooling yourself into thinking that it is.

 

[aquajet]

I decided to just cancel my Mini Order...

I knew it wasn't going to last.

 

[klaus]

Generik, you must have a lot of time on your hands because you are wasting it so tremendously on this thread trying to persuade us your point.

Ok, you made your point, can we move on now, and make our own choices? Yes, Generik, i made other choices than you and will do that no matter what you or other people tell me.

I like leading my own life, and if you feel I or every other mac user out there spends too much money on his computer, well, that's just something you'll have to live with. I don't care what somebody else uses, it won't change a single thing.

Give it a rest will you.