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Design Drawings Suggest iPhone 5se Will Look Almost Identical to iPhone 5s

Keerock said:
To make it easier for you... and so you don't cherry pick the part of my response that suits your argument.. here's my original response IN FULL.

"iPhone 6, 6 Plus, 6s, 6s Plus, Apple Watch, iCloud that finally works, Apple TV that finally works, iPad Air, 3D touch, iPad Pro, Pencil (yes, sorry but people LOVE it), Siri that finally works. CarPlay, OS X and iOS interrogations (hand off, messages, phones calls, etc.) etc.

He is no Steve Jobs but he is leading a company that is innovating just fine.

I'm not his cheerleader but why set yourself up like that?"

Got it? The first part is the list of innovations since SJ handed off control...
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You listed a bunch of Steve Jobs' ideas.

What has Tim done with the iPad other than make it bigger, smaller, slap a finger print reader on it, slap a new chip in it every year, and slap a retina display on it? Four years, and that's all he's done with the iPad.

iPhone 6 plus-- the phone where sales started declining. It's also ugly on the back and didn't change much from any iPhone before it. He added 3D touch, which is a gimmick.

Apple Watch? I haven't seen one person wear one. It'll never take off--watches are out of style.

iCloud that finally works? Haha, Funny!

Apple TV that finally works? I'm the only one I know who owns an Apple TV--plus the price has doubled since Tim Cook took over, all this because there's a new processor in it, apps, and a dictation feature.

Siri that finally works? He has nothing to do with Siri, it wasn't even his idea. Siri is still worse than Cortana or Google's voice recognition system.

Car Play? That's not even fully implemented yet, but I'm sure most manufacturers won't care for it.

iOS/OSX integration? That's part of iCloud.

Tim has yet to push a popular, mainstream product on his own.
 
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I understand if Apple wants to milk the cash-cow. But why don't they take the opportunity to make an updated iPhone 4" with really slime and fashionable characteristics? To release a technically updated iPhone 5S with the same industry design is in my guess tactically and strategically wrong. Apple dominated the mp3 market because they differentiated and updated hardware design often.
 
OK this is cool but the REAR PROTRUDING CAMERA?!?!

AGAIN!?!

What the hell man, that's BAD design and Jony you know it is.
 
mike2413088 said:
You listed a bunch of Steve Jobs' ideas.

What has Tim done with the iPad other than make it bigger, smaller, slap a finger print reader on it, slap a new chip in it every year, and slap a retina display on it? Four years, and that's all he's done with the iPad.

iPhone 6 plus-- the phone where sales started declining. It's also ugly on the back and didn't change much from any iPhone before it. He added 3D touch, which is a gimmick.

Apple Watch? I haven't seen one person wear one. It'll never take off--watches are out of style.

iCloud that finally works? Haha, Funny!

Apple TV that finally works? I'm the only one I know who owns an Apple TV--plus the price has doubled since Tim Cook took over, all this because there's a new processor in it, apps, and a dictation feature.

Siri that finally works? He has nothing to do with Siri, it wasn't even his idea. Siri is still worse than Cortana or Google's voice recognition system.

Car Play? That's not even fully implemented yet, but I'm sure most manufacturers won't care for it.

iOS/OSX integration? That's part of iCloud.

Tim has yet to push a popular, mainstream product on his own.
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I'm not disagreeing with you, and I don't know how popular they are but I suppose we could give Tim credit for the Apple Pencil and the infamous iHump case?
 
With the 7, how about a size smaller than the 6 - it should fit the hands that find the 4" comfortable for one hand use? May be 4.2 or 4.3 inches, OLED.
 
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So the iPod touch pioneered the modern iOS device design language in 2012, yet the 5se will use a design language that's 6 years old. That makes no sense.

I'm talking about the circular, yet hard-to-press volume buttons and double rows of speaker holes.
 
mike2413088 said:
You listed a bunch of Steve Jobs' ideas.

What has Tim done with the iPad other than make it bigger, smaller, slap a finger print reader on it, slap a new chip in it every year, and slap a retina display on it? Four years, and that's all he's done with the iPad.

iPhone 6 plus-- the phone where sales started declining. It's also ugly on the back and didn't change much from any iPhone before it. He added 3D touch, which is a gimmick.

Apple Watch? I haven't seen one person wear one. It'll never take off--watches are out of style.

iCloud that finally works? Haha, Funny!

Apple TV that finally works? I'm the only one I know who owns an Apple TV--plus the price has doubled since Tim Cook took over, all this because there's a new processor in it, apps, and a dictation feature.

Siri that finally works? He has nothing to do with Siri, it wasn't even his idea. Siri is still worse than Cortana or Google's voice recognition system.

Car Play? That's not even fully implemented yet, but I'm sure most manufacturers won't care for it.

iOS/OSX integration? That's part of iCloud.

Tim has yet to push a popular, mainstream product on his own.
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No offense, but what you've listed is mostly opinion. Some of which is just flat out wrong, which I've highlighted for your convenience.

And how is that you live in NYC and have never seen an Apple Watch? Do you go outside?
 
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igorsky said:
No offense, but what you've listed is mostly opinion. Some of which is just flat out wrong, which I've highlighted for your convenience.

And how is that you live in NYC and have never seen an Apple Watch? Do you go outside?
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Where do you get some of your nonsense from?

Didn't Apple just announce the first declination of iPhone sales ever?? (Fact).

Where has the iPhone made any significant leaps since Jobs passed away? Even then most of the iPhones after Jobs were in the pipeline before he died.

I don't live in New York City. There is a whole entire state outside of New York City you know.

I haven't seen anyone wear an Apple Watch or who owns an Apple TV (fact).

The Apple TV has a new processor, apps, and a new chip in it, and now costs twice as much as it did under Jobs. (fact).

He has nothing to do with Siri... Jobs and Forestall worked on that. Cook isn't an engineer or software developer. (fact).

Car Play isn't fully implemented yet. (fact).

Tim has yet to push a popular main stream product on his own... The Apple Watch isn't popular, Apple Pay is hardly used anywhere. (fact).

At least six facts right there. I think you're just arguing for the sake of arguing.
 
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mike2413088 said:
Is it me, or does this seem like a boring announcement like the event in September?

I own 500 shares of Apple Stock, and the type(s) of new products Tim Cook has been unveiling as of late are rather disappointing.

The funny part is, even though I own Apple Stock, I still own a Note 5 as my primary phone. "Why?," Do you ask? It is because the iPhone has been nothing but little incremental improvements every year, mostly software related. The biggest change to the iPhone since 2010 has been the screen size, not even the screen technology.

Someone should tell Tim Cook it's okay to take risks with new technology before he ends up sacked. I know I would vote for him to be gone at this point in time.


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Tim Cook's definition of innovation expands upon the dictionary's term:


Except is is not different, it is the same product with one new feature every year, and hardly a new method or new idea.
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So... pretty much all smartphones then?

The smartphone market by definition is defined by very small changes right now since there are few things that can truly introduce a classic "innovation" in the sense you are looking for. My question is, what exactly would qualify? Making the phone out of indestructible material? A 7" screen on a rectangle that is only 3"x4"?

In a market defined by gradual improvements to SoCs, batteries and small display panels there's not much you can do to really rock the boat to the point where everyone stands up and says "whoa!"

The all-screen-no-physical-keyboard design in an era where the keyboard was king was one such leap (and yet, still not the first of its kind, just the first to be truly usable).

What makes you think they don't take risks? They launched the 5C to near universal disdain on this forum - hardly what I'd consider a "safe move" if that's what you're accusing them of doing.

I assume you think Ford is static because all their recent vehicles have four wheels and have doors.
 
joe-h2o said:
So... pretty much all smartphones then?

The smartphone market by definition is defined by very small changes right now since there are few things that can truly introduce a classic "innovation" in the sense you are looking for. My question is, what exactly would qualify? Making the phone out of indestructible material? A 7" screen on a rectangle that is only 3"x4"?

In a market defined by gradual improvements to SoCs, batteries and small display panels there's not much you can do to really rock the boat to the point where everyone stands up and says "whoa!"

The all-screen-no-physical-keyboard design in an era where the keyboard was king was one such leap (and yet, still not the first of its kind, just the first to be truly usable).

What makes you think they don't take risks? They launched the 5C to near universal disdain on this forum - hardly what I'd consider a "safe move" if that's what you're accusing them of doing.

I assume you think Ford is static because all their recent vehicles have four wheels and have doors.
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I disagree. When curved screens, MST, AMOLED screens, wireless charging, fast charging, water resistance, small bezels, stereo speakers, heart rate sensors, and impressive front cameras are becoming more popular, yet you direct the company to not include any of that in your phone, you're not a very good CEO.

How was the 5C a risk? Was that a ground breaking phone with never before seen technology? That wasn't a risk. It was a conservative flop to save money.
 
mike2413088 said:
Didn't Apple just announce the first declination of iPhone sales ever?? (Fact).
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I don't really need to read anything beyond your first "fact" to know that you don't really know what you're talking about. Go learn the difference between declining sales and declining growth.

And you need to understand that you saying that Tim Cook has "nothing to do with this" is completely wrong and also not a "fact". Any kind of initiatives or features implemented on his watch are approved by him. Therefore he has something to do with everything.

And finally, thanks for confirming the thought process of people on tech blogs, who tend to think that their part of the universe is the only part of the universe. You having not seen anyone wearing an Apple Watch in your part of New York State really means nothing, no offense.
 
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mike2413088 said:
You listed a bunch of Steve Jobs' ideas.

What has Tim done with the iPad other than make it bigger, smaller, slap a finger print reader on it, slap a new chip in it every year, and slap a retina display on it? Four years, and that's all he's done with the iPad.

iPhone 6 plus-- the phone where sales started declining. It's also ugly on the back and didn't change much from any iPhone before it. He added 3D touch, which is a gimmick.

Apple Watch? I haven't seen one person wear one. It'll never take off--watches are out of style.

iCloud that finally works? Haha, Funny!

Apple TV that finally works? I'm the only one I know who owns an Apple TV--plus the price has doubled since Tim Cook took over, all this because there's a new processor in it, apps, and a dictation feature.

Siri that finally works? He has nothing to do with Siri, it wasn't even his idea. Siri is still worse than Cortana or Google's voice recognition system.

Car Play? That's not even fully implemented yet, but I'm sure most manufacturers won't care for it.

iOS/OSX integration? That's part of iCloud.

Tim has yet to push a popular, mainstream product on his own.
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Ok, we all can differ on our opinions, but have you used CarPlay? I have. And it is vastly better than the Ford Sync or the Toyota InTune i have been using.

iCloud actually works for most of us now. It sucked for many years. Maybe we can bring back Steve's .Mac and MobileMe - they were sooooo amazingly good.

I love Apple TV now, it rocks compared to the POS they originally released (yes, under Steve Jobs)

I own an Apple Watch and find it unbelievable useful in my day to day life. Watches are not out of style, either analog or smart. But most likely there is a decline in overall wrist watch sales. But wearable device sales are climbing.

Now, for your comment about the iPhone 6 plus (once again you get selective with my content). You say this is when iPhone sales started to decline? You jest, or you are simply not even attempting to go read the data.

Here's a chart showing the terrible decline in Phone Sales when the 6 Plus was introduced (3Q 2014 intro, numbers started to show 1Q 2015)



global-apple-iphone-sales-since-3rd-quarter-2007.jpg
 
mike2413088 said:
Where do you get some of your nonsense from?

Didn't Apple just announce the first declination of iPhone sales ever?? (Fact).

Where has the iPhone made any significant leaps since Jobs passed away? Even then most of the iPhones after Jobs were in the pipeline before he died.

I don't live in New York City. There is a whole entire state outside of New York City you know.

I haven't seen anyone wear an Apple Watch or who owns an Apple TV (fact).

The Apple TV has a new processor, apps, and a new chip in it, and now costs twice as much as it did under Jobs. (fact).

He has nothing to do with Siri... Jobs and Forestall worked on that. Cook isn't an engineer or software developer. (fact).

Car Play isn't fully implemented yet. (fact).

Tim has yet to push a popular main stream product on his own... The Apple Watch isn't popular, Apple Pay is hardly used anywhere. (fact).

At least six facts right there. I think you're just arguing for the sake of arguing.
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I know 3 people in my immediate circle of acquaintances with an Apple Watch.

The decline in iPhone sales hasn't been announced, the *suspected decline in the next quarter* has been suggested by Apple based on the current market and their own release schedule (since the new flagships follow in the subsequent quarter).

I know four Apple TV users personally.

Speaking of "twice as much", I wasn't aware that $149 was twice as big as $99. I'm thinking you might not be burdened with an overabundance of schooling there, chap.

Cook is the CEO, to write him out of Apple's products because he doesn't directly work on them is an odd choice of argument. What is it exactly that you think the CEO does?

What do you mean by "not fully implemented" for CarPlay, given that you're basing a red-typefaced "fact" on this. Do you have CarPlay in your vehicle currently? I'm happy to talk about what you think makes it "not fully implemented" from the release spec. (disclaimer: I have CarPlay so can speak from personal experience).

ApplePay is far from "hardly used anywhere". It's available (and advertised) on pretty much all NFC terminals here in the UK, for example, which means all high street and major retailers. Hell, You can use ApplePay at the cornershop in my village in BFE nowhere.

I'm struggling not to laugh at these "facts" that you've presented.

I think you misspelled "opinion", which is probably where your major failing is. I think we're back to that lack of an overabundance of schooling again.
 
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Ok, we all can differ on our opinions, but have you used CarPlay? I have. And it is vastly better than the Ford Sync or the Toyota InTune i have been using.

iCloud actually works for most of us now. It sucked for many years. Maybe we can bring back Steve's .Mac and MobileMe - they were sooooo amazingly good.

I love Apple TV now, it rocks compared to the POS they originally released (yes, under Steve Jobs)

I own an Apple Watch and find it unbelievable useful in my day to day life. Watches are not out of style, either analog or smart. But most likely there is a decline in overall wrist watch sales. But wearable device sales are climbing.

Now, for your comment about the iPhone 6 plus (once again you get selective with my content). You say this is when iPhone sales started to decline? You jest, or you are simply not even attempting to go read the data.

Here's a chart showing the terrible decline in Phone Sales when the 6 Plus was introduced (3Q 2014 intro, numbers started to show 1Q 2015)



global-apple-iphone-sales-since-3rd-quarter-2007.jpg
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"We do think that iPhone units will decline in the quarter," Cook said. "We don't think that they'll decline to the level that you're talking about. We aren't projecting beyond the quarter as [Apple CFO Luca Maestri] mentioned earlier, but at this point in time, we see that Q2 is the toughest compare."
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http://appleinsider.com/articles/16/01/26/apple-guides-first-ever-iphone-sales-decline-in-q2

http://www.bbc.com/news/business-35412892

They're announcing a drop in iPhone sales.
 
joe-h2o said:
ApplePay is far from "hardly used anywhere". It's available (and advertised) on pretty much all NFC terminals here in the UK, for example, which means all high street and major retailers. Hell, You can use ApplePay at the cornershop in my village in BFE nowhere.
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Yes, that is exactly why cashiers are shocked when you use your phone for payment, because it's oh so popular. Here in the United States, Australia, and Canada is super popular too. :rolleyes:

joe-h2o said:
What do you mean by "not fully implemented"
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Just what it says.. Most car companies haven't started putting them in their cars yet.

joe-h2o said:
Speaking of "twice as much", I wasn't aware that $149 was twice as big as $99. I'm thinking you might not be burdened with an overabundance of schooling there, chap.
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I'm talking about the $199 version...
 
mike2413088 said:
I disagree. When curved screens, MST, AMOLED screens, wireless charging, fast charging, water resistance, small bezels, stereo speakers, heart rate sensors, and impressive front cameras are becoming more popular, yet you direct the company to not include any of that in your phone, you're not a very good CEO.

How was the 5C a risk? Was that a ground breaking phone with never before seen technology? That wasn't a risk. It was a conservative flop to save money.
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Ah, you're a spec junkie. Now I see the issue.

Apple does something called "market research" to determine what will and won't be a major feature point. sometimes this means they miss out on some features that a niche segment really want, but mostly it allows them to make a product that appeals to a large audience.

Look at removable batteries as one example. Some people really, really, really want a removable battery, and I'd wager if you asked a selection of random people whether having a removable battery was a good idea they'd say yes. What a manufacturer does though is look at how many people *actually* used that feature over the course of the life of a product that had it and then decided that it actually wasn't a feature that people really used, and so could make some design decisions based on that.

It's exactly what Samsung did with the Galaxy despite the apparent "they'll never sell!" cries from those insisting that the Galaxy line needs a removable battery. Samsung realised that the vast majority of users never did and thus saved itself engineering headaches and design issues by going to a fixed battery - sleeker phone, more solid construction, bigger battery per unit volume and easier to waterproof. All things that people actually do use.

I have to just laugh out loud that you think the iPhone design team came to Cook with a curved, waterproof, AMOLED, wirelessly-charging iPhone and just said "nope!" Again, I have to wonder what it is you think a CEO does?
 
mike2413088 said:
http://appleinsider.com/articles/16/01/26/apple-guides-first-ever-iphone-sales-decline-in-q2

http://www.bbc.com/news/business-35412892

They're announcing a drop in iPhone sales.
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Read your own quote. You wrote "iPhone 6 Plus" not "iPhone 6s Plus". And no, don't say "you knew what I meant" in response. I did not.

Sorry I'm responding to your written words.

Yes, there is declining sales projected this quarter, the same way there is in the previous "S" releases. The difference this quarter being we are in a saturated market with a global sh*t storm for most economies.

By the way, I'm a big Samsung fan too, and love some of their innovations. But not everyone in the world can endlessly futz to keep their device working smoothly. One thing Apple does well is make a smart that works for the non technical folks.
 
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