Details Emerge Regarding 'Face ID' Setup Process on iPhone X

[shplock]

People can open your phone with Touch ID while you're sleeping.

I'm guessing that Face ID will be much more sophisticated than that. It will likely be sensitive enough to know when it's being turned at a verified face and then away, back at the person who's using it which will red flag it as being used by someone other than the authorized user. This way, someone can't just point it at the owner to unlock and run off with the phone.

Erm Nope! Again you people are wrong! As always! So don't embarrass yourself.

With Touch ID if someone tried to use my finger while I am sleeping in order to unlock my iPhone then I will feel them do so. I will then wake up and punch them into next week.

Next that would be a major problem if I unlocked my iPhone 8/x/edition and turned the phone around to show something to a friend then back again.
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That's an easy fix. Press your thumb to an onscreen button to pay with ApplePay. At that point, it'll Face ID you and will remain verified as long as your thumb is on that button. When you let go, it'll be deauthorized until you press it again and it can check to see if you're the one using it.

Another way would be to have an Apple Pay button that you press when the phone is in front of you and becomes authorized and once you let go, gradually goes back to a requiring authorization state which gives the user the idea that it's a limited time thing. So that way, if you're going through a drive through and need to stick your phone out the window, you can authorize it, then tap the phone to the terminal without you in its view.

This is a UI problem, not a technology problem.

Soooo "Press your thumb to an onscreen button to pay with ApplePay" - In other words just like I do at the moment with TouchID.

 

[Greenmeenie]

I dont care how hi-tech it is...it's still so much easier to use touch ID than have to scan your face constantly. Seriously. Who wants to have to hold their iphone up to their face all the time when they could just press the ID sensor so much easier?

 

[Steve686]

If using Face ID for payment, how do you prevent accidental payment? With touch ID, as long as your thumb isn't on the home button, the payment won't go through.

3D press screen button?

 

[simonelwell]

You can always opt to not set up Face ID and use a passcode instead while continuing to enjoy all the other features of iPhone X. Just because the feature is there it doesn’t mean you have to make use of it if you’re concerned over this type of issue.

I use apple pay at the run going through London Underground barriers - I reach out and touch my phone on contactless readers with my thumb on the home button to authenticate. Having to point the thing at my face is going to take way longer and be much less useable...

 

[hasanahmad]

So with Touch ID you just put your phone on the payment reader and use your finger. Now will I have to lean my face on the card reader

Why not tilt the phone to face you, takes less than a second and uses only 2 wrist muscles to create that angle

 

[Steve686]

Has anyone addressed whether or not the camera can capture facial features in a dark room with IR light?

It'd be pretty annoying seeing faces light up in a dark environment because the screen has to illuminate your face to unlock the phone. It'd remind me of lightning bugs, actually.

 

[Steve686]

So with Touch ID you just put your phone on the payment reader and use your finger. Now will I have to lean my face on the card reader

Possible you don't need to do the payment in one motion like touchID.

Hold Phone to read face, then move phone to NFC reade while FaceID holds facial verification and gives you 5 seconds to pay?

 

[jlasoon]

This just feels wrong on many levels.

 

[dipstah]

How do I stop the police getting me to unlock my phone, currently if I use the wrong finger enough times it needs a passcode which I have forgotten, I can't change my face while the police have me in restraint

hit the power button 5 times on your phone and it will force your phone to use the PIN.

-Dipstah

 

[2010mini]

Naw.... not for me. I’ll wait until next year for Touch ID through glass is available.

 

[woodynorman]

I'm looking forward to the FaceID. I can't use TouchID due to having worked/working in construction all my life. My fingers, and especially my thumb are pretty chewed up. And I work around water all day. TouchID barely works half the time for me.

I welcome this new tech.

 

[Jsameds]

This screen shot indicates that time will show on left side of the notch and battery icon signal bar's and wifi will show on right side.
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you have to gently move your head around in various directions Just like this :-
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I love how it's the next step in a younger evolutionary version of the old Mac OS face, I guess the thought behind it was to reflect iOS's younger more expressive audience. Also notice how the nose is now leaning to his left...

 

[wolfie]

I still think there will be both Touch ID and Face ID. Use whatever excites you. How would it work with sunglasses, women with makeup, dark environments, or when you just want to use the phone face down on the desk. Its just not practical to make faceID the only option.

 

[macsrcool1234]

Have you not been following the rumours? Do you honestly think that Apple will let a photo unlock the phone? It boggles my mind how people think that Apple hasn't thought of obvious simple things such as this. It's called 'advanced' facial recognition for a reason. Samsung this isn't.

I'm a fan if TouchId and not a fan of the whole FaceId thing, but it still boggles me how people can still be so dumb about this whole "picture unlocking" BS. How many times do you have to be explained that this thing works with 3D sensors? You will unlock this either beheading someone either with a 3D mask Mission Impossible style.

That's what they said about touchid.....

 

[Kaibelf]

This is how we get reduced security. People will go back to no passcode instead. FaceID is solving a nonexistant problem.

People are going to be unlocking this thing with pictures within 24 hours.

Bollocks. As we all know if you quickly hit the power button 5 times in quick succession you can lock out TouchID in iOS11, and that would almost certainly also apply to Face ID. Also, exactly how will people be unlocking it with pictures unless the picture is 3D and matching dozens of data points simultaneously?

 

[budselectjr]

Touch ID has it's problems. Wet and gloved fingers don't work. This face lock will work better in the winter.

And winter is coming

Agreed on the problems. TouchID is good but its frustrating when your hands aren't completely dry.

 

[BruiserB]

hit the power button 5 times on your phone and it will force your phone to use the PIN.

-Dipstah

So how do you hit the power button 5 times if the police (or a thief) have you in handcuffs or otherwise restrained and point the phone at you to unlock it?

 

[dilbert99]

Facial recognition has been rumored to be replacing Touch ID entirely on the OLED iPhone X

Surely the facial recognition will be on all 3 new phones?
Putting it on the 8 only is artificially trying to differentiate between the phones.
Camera on all 3 models - check
Same software on all 3 models - check
Disable the feature on the 7s and enable only on the 8 - bum move Apple

 

[expiredyogurt]

maybe they will ask you to record a facial gesture like winking or smiling or do something with your face so it can prevent accidental unlock / payment when using faceID. it will also prevent lots of people from using just the still photo / your face when you're asleep to unlock your phone.

 

[BruiserB]

Surely the facial recognition will be on all 3 new phones?
Putting it on the 8 only is artificially trying to differentiate between the phones.
Camera on all 3 models - check
Same software on all 3 models - check
Disable the feature on the 7s and enable only on the 8 - bum move Apple

Who says the 7s (or 8) has the same camera system as iPhone 8 (or X)? The new sophisticated camera system is part of the justification for the higher price.

 

[cameronjpu]

Press the power button quickly five times and it will disable Touch ID/FaceID until you put in a passcode

Apple must at least allow a requirement for some motion before the faceid works. Like a wink, a tongue stuck out, or some pattern of those things. I would imagine that security agencies and big companies will be very skeptical of this method of securing a phone, especially without that additional step. Really a terrible issue if you ask me. I don't care on my phone, as i dont really worry about my security, but many will.

 

[Rob_2811]

This is how we get reduced security. People will go back to no passcode instead. FaceID is solving a nonexistant problem.

People are going to be unlocking this thing with pictures within 24 hours.

No chance.

If Touch ID is gone this thing will be rock solid security wise there is no way they would ship it otherwise. Apple rarely, if ever, gets this kind of thing wrong.

The real question is how well does it work, does it require the phone to be held up to the face to and if so to what extent. I'm 6ft 2 ins and regularly unlock my phone using Touch ID at waist height, if this thing can unlock using Face ID in that situation I will be seriously impressed. If it can't it really won't replace the convenience of the fingerprint scanner.

 

[dilbert99]

Who says the 7s (or 8) has the same camera system as iPhone 8 (or X)? The new sophisticated camera system is part of the justification for the higher price.

I would have thought the camera in the existing iPhone 4 was sophisticated enough to do facial recognition.
Its not as if the camera is a high percentage of the phone cost, but is a high percentage of why people buy premium phones.

 

[BruiserB]

I'm very much in the 'wait and see' mode with this launch. I have a 6S+. No reason to upgrade to the newer phone of the same form factor....what's the killer feature there? A better camera isn't really of interest to me. If the new phone seems like it's too cutting edge and the technology isn't ready for prime time then I'm best off waiting for the iPhone XS or XS+!

Of course I feel this way now and by Tuesday afternoon I'll be planning my strategy to buy one!

 

[CE3]

Surely the facial recognition will be on all 3 new phones?
Putting it on the 8 only is artificially trying to differentiate between the phones.
Camera on all 3 models - check
Same software on all 3 models - check
Disable the feature on the 7s and enable only on the 8 - bum move Apple

It sounds like the X will use an infrared lens + other sensors for Face ID, not the FaceTime camera.