Details Emerge Regarding 'Face ID' Setup Process on iPhone X

[ipedro]

This is how we get reduced security. People will go back to no passcode instead. FaceID is solving a nonexistant problem.

As someone else said, it just seems like Apple is solving a problem that didn't exist. TouchID is great and even better than facial recognition for many of the reasons discussed in here.

Apple is solving a problem that is *going* to exist.

Touch ID requires a prompt and an action by the user. That’s ok for today’s use. But future applications (such as augmented reality) will require constant authentication to ensure security. Frequently pestering you to verify who you are is neither practical, nor desirable.

Face ID will always know that you’re the authorized person to be using your phone and won’t have to keep asking you to verify that you are. Face ID is passive authentication. It doesn’t require your intervention, yet maintains constant security.

Apple is skating to where there puck will be. People who say that Touch ID is fine, aren’t thinking long term.

As for claiming that Face ID is less secure, it’s just the opposite. It significantly increases security. Touch ID unlocks a door, after which anybody can walk through and browse the supposedly secure room. Face ID on the other hand is a security guard who is constantly checking that the person inside the room is supposed to be there. It moves the security threshold from only having secure checkpoints to constant security.

 

[dilbert99]

2D recognition probably but not the new rumored 3D sensing likely incorporating infrared sensing as well that will be necessary for this to be secure. If the current camera is good enough then they could enhance the security of the older phones by requiring TouchID and FaceID together to authenticate.

Its a breath of fresh air when someone explains why you are wrong rather than putting them down

 

[unobtainium]

But it’s not as you don’t yet know it will be able to be unlocked by a sleeping face. Maybe, but maybe not.

Eyes will likely need to be open.

 

[ipedro]

So how will this work at night?

The same way this works at night:

Human visible light isn’t the only kind of light. Our eyes see on a limited spectrum. Infrared sensors can see in complete darkness.

 

[dumastudetto]

I'm already sold on this. To be honest, I've grown tired of Touch ID and the time is right for newer technologies that take convenience and security to even greater levels.

iPhone X is for me. I'll be joining the 20 million masses of people desperately trying to pre-order on Friday.

Let's do this!!!!!

 

[charlituna]

This is how we get reduced security. People will go back to no passcode instead.

chances are that that just like touch id you will have to have a passcode set up also and put it in once every 24 hours or so or when the phone is reset.
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People can open your phone with Touch ID while you're sleeping.

unless it requires your eyes to be open and for you to move your face, blink or such to prove its not a photo.
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you will need to make a weird face whilst talking to the police to prevent face id from being used.

or make a weird face when you set it up. i mean if you are that worried about security you aren't likely to worried about looking stupid crossing your eyes and sticking your tongue out when you unlock your phone

 

[Glockworkorange]

Gosh this leak is massive. And I'll lament the loss of Touch ID.

I will miss it as well, although I will hear Apple out before making any decisions.

Can’t imagine how it will be more secure, however.
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That's an easy fix. Press your thumb to an onscreen button to pay with ApplePay. At that point, it'll Face ID you and will remain verified as long as your thumb is on that button. When you let go, it'll be deauthorized until you press it again and it can check to see if you're the one using it.

Another way would be to have an Apple Pay button that you press when the phone is in front of you and becomes authorized and once you let go, gradually goes back to a requiring authorization state which gives the user the idea that it's a limited time thing. So that way, if you're going through a drive through and need to stick your phone out the window, you can authorize it, then tap the phone to the terminal without you in its view.

This is a UI problem, not a technology problem.

The onscreen button would have to authenticate your I’d though

 

[Crzyrio]

This is how we get reduced security. People will go back to no passcode instead. FaceID is solving a nonexistant problem.

People are going to be unlocking this thing with pictures within 24 hours.

I will put money on it that it will take much longer to crack this than it did with Touch ID

 

[charlituna]

there will likely be a passcode also. i mean would Apple be cruel enough to

Naw.... not for me. I’ll wait until next year for Touch ID through glass is available.

unless its available this year. that is also a rumor

 

[louiek]

To all saying they'll be able to unlock your phone while you sleep... Do you sleep with your eyes opened? I'm pretty sure not, and it's beyond obvious you will be required to have tote eyes opened while unlocked the phone.

If that was the case then you wouldn’t be able to unlock your phone if you’re wearing sunglasses. There’s no way Apple would do that.

 

[charlituna]

The screenshots of the settings app indicate a menu called “FaceID and passcode,” much like the current “TouchID and passcode” present on current iphones. The blatant omission of TouchID from the menu title seems hard to misinterpret, unfortunately.

given that we haven't been shown the general settings screen, we don't know that there's not a line for Touch ID and Passcode
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If that was the case then you wouldn’t be able to unlock your phone if you’re wearing sunglasses. There’s no way Apple would do that.

or if you got half your face burned off, or your nose broken or a dozen other things

 

[ct2k7]

I don't understand this argument. You can't see your phone when it's in your pocket anyway thus being unable to interact with it? You look at your phone when you want to use it right? Which FaceID will do in milliseconds, even from acute angles.

Do you look at your phone when you activate Apple Pay?

 

[Macalway]

I'm pretty it will work with sunglasses, however I would imagine that a specific pair might be required. It certainly would be odd if it didn't.

Not to be negative, but I would need this feature most certainly (thanks for bringing this up).

All rather interesting.

 

[avonord]

How do I stop the police getting me to unlock my phone, currently if I use the wrong finger enough times it needs a passcode which I have forgotten, I can't change my face while the police have me in restraint

I believe I read of an article that addresses your concern. It said that if u click the power button 5 times, then the iPhone will require a passcode. You just have to do that before the police gets to u.

 

[macs4nw]

I really hope TouchID isn't missing completely. There's no way this is better, nor does it look like it can be faster what so ever. Plus, it seems like more of a battery drain having to "run" the camera to check.

Just wait, aside from being much faster and super reliable, once set-up, the coming Facial recognition software will make TouchID feel sluggish and dated.

 

[eqc6]

meh. I'm sure apple knew what they're doing and expected people to hate the lack of touch ID (which i also hate). I think this is why they're introducing an extra model (iphoneX) so if you want to keep your touchID instead, then you can go with the iphone 8.

Keep in mind this is the same company that decided to remove headphone jack lol.

 

[schlitzz]

Take a bath and do some laundry....

 

[dtich]

How do I stop the police getting me to unlock my phone, currently if I use the wrong finger enough times it needs a passcode which I have forgotten, I can't change my face while the police have me in restraint

there's a button for that. https://www.theverge.com/2017/8/17/16161758/ios-11-touch-id-disable-emergency-services-lock

 

[flat five]

And winter is coming

you must not of finished season 7 yet.

**Spoiler Alert**

winter is already here


.

 

[Larry The L]

How do I stop the police getting me to unlock my phone, currently if I use the wrong finger enough times it needs a passcode which I have forgotten, I can't change my face while the police have me in restraint

Perhaps you could chose to lead a better life away from crime. Or just don't get the friggin' phone if you are so worried.

 

[flat five]

So how will this work at night?

3D scanners don't need (visible) light.
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People are going to be unlocking this thing with pictures within 24 hours.

hmm.. i guess..
prepare to be impressed.. because i highly (highly!) doubt you're going to be able to unlock an iPhone using a 2 dimensional photograph.

 

[wigby]

Im also wondering how close to the camera the face needs to be. I know it's been reported it will recognize the face while laying flat, but here are many times when paying with ApplePay, that the phone is no where near my face.

Why do you assume that it must recognize your face the moment the transaction goes through? It's not Touch ID so it doesn't have to behave the same way.
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Don't do things that would lead you to being under arrest by the police. Or, purchase a Samsung phone if you anticipate that happening a lot.

That's not an acceptable answer in this day and age when police admit to profiling based on race, gender, religion, etc.
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Most of the time I wear an eyepatch. I wonder if it will work with me.

If that's part of your normal face look, then why wouldn't it? If you only wear one on Halloween, you might have an issue on that day.
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I don't have enough friends who are twins to know if this is a concern but I'm still wondering: fingerprints are formed in the womb and are related to blood flow to the baby so they're truly unique and different, even for twins. But faces are mostly based on genetics, which are identical for twins.
Therefore with Face ID, you need it to be precise enough to distinguish the very nearly identical faces of twins based on tiny differences. If it's as fast and secure as rumours have previously said it would be, then it probably will be able to distinguish between twins.
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Whether this was intended as a joke or not, it is a valid question. My guess is that since it's based on IR cameras, it should work through cloth. That however would mean it would have issues with glasses, maybe?

There are already facial ID systems in place that distinguish between "identical" twins. This might be a first for smartphones but it's not new.
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I dont care how hi-tech it is...it's still so much easier to use touch ID than have to scan your face constantly. Seriously. Who wants to have to hold their iphone up to their face all the time when they could just press the ID sensor so much easier?

You do realize how silly that sounds, right? How often are you not looking at your phone when you are using it? And how often do you need to unlock it when it's in your pocket or not near you?
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I don't understand why this comes up so much. I'm a 30-something black male and I've never had the police access my phone without my consent. Is this something that happens to the rest of you on a regular basis or something?

It is happening more frequently to people crossing borders like journalists and anyone who looks suspicious to authorities.
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As someone else said, it just seems like Apple is solving a problem that didn't exist. TouchID is great and even better than facial recognition for many of the reasons discussed in here. Should we all relax and trust Apple? What are we missing here?

You're missing the event where they explain what they did and why and then everyone stands in line to buy millions of iPhones. Come Tuesday, this forum will look like an April Fools joke that was taken seriously.

 

[dojoman]

Do you look at your phone when you activate Apple Pay?

You should, there’s animation of fingerprint being scan to show whether the payment goes thru or not. People are making way too many obscure excuses to make Face ID a step back method. When I use Apple Pay sometimes it doesn’t go thru because of my sweaty fingers. Face ID should be a lot more convenient for me.

 

[Crzyrio]

What about when I go out for halloween? Will it recognize me then?

 

[Sevendaymelee]

Not a chance in hell I'm going to use this. If this becomes something that we're forced to use, I'm going to become that old guy with a flip phone etc. I just refuse.