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I don't understand why this comes up so much. I'm a 30-something black male and I've never had the police access my phone without my consent. Is this something that happens to the rest of you on a regular basis or something?

Right? Obscure excuses created by trolls. How many times do people get stop by a cop and he demands you unlock your phone for no reason? Zero.
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Nah, I think this is the only time I've dug my heels in before a product release and just been like NOPE

Omitting TouchID, even if it augments this FaceID thing, is a disaster. They could have put a fingerprint reader on the back or waited until the under glass was ready. I'm not paying for a half-baked product.

Then you should get a Samsung phone. I hear the retina scan works really well. And the fingerprint scanner right next to camera lens is amazing.
 
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This is how we get reduced security. People will go back to no passcode instead. FaceID is solving a nonexistant problem.

People are going to be unlocking this thing with pictures within 24 hours.

What makes you think there isn’t a better method that won’t work with a 2D picture? You’re thinking Apple will sacrifice Apple Pay for something Unsecure? I think you are going to be surprised and proven wrong.
 
Right? Obscure excuses created by trolls. How many times do people get stop by a cop and he demands you unlock your phone for no reason? Zero.

It's a legitimate question for concerned criminals. They are just being cautious. Their clients have a desire to remain anonymous.
 
Why do I hear this Guilherme guy's name every time there's an Apple rumor? Starting to not like him very much...
 
I really hope TouchID isn't missing completely. There's no way this is better, nor does it look like it can be faster what so ever. Plus, it seems like more of a battery drain having to "run" the camera to check.

We hear this every single time one technology is about to be replaced by a new one. And every single time people get proven wrong. And I have no doubt this won't be an expedition.
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Love the Touch ID NOT the FACE. People can open It while sleeping

Oh dear! Have no idea how people come up with this kind of stuff! Is there any reason why someone using the phone would keep his/her eyes closed? That on it's own would make face ID fail. Unless of course you sleep with your eyes open.
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This is how we get reduced security. People will go back to no passcode instead. FaceID is solving a nonexistant problem.

People are going to be unlocking this thing with pictures within 24 hours.

Yes, it is like no one at Apple have thought of the different scenarios, only genius people at MacRumors have these ideas. But I still enjoy reading these laughable comments. It's like dejavo, before touch ID was implemented, with all the horror stories of fingers being cut an stuff. Absolutely hilarious!
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Have you not been following the rumours? Do you honestly think that Apple will let a photo unlock the phone? It boggles my mind how people think that Apple hasn't thought of obvious simple things such as this. It's called 'advanced' facial recognition for a reason. Samsung this isn't.

Please don't try to use too much common sense around here :)
 
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Or you can
close your eyes maybe or stick your tongue out?

Or maybe you can program an "emergency facial expression" like if you cross your eyes, or blink five times real fast, the phone explodes.
 
Why does "get started" obscure the last line of text and where did this guy get this from?
 
We will know all the juicy details on tuesday.
Well I would hope so. Would suck if they started the keynote with "well you all spoiled some of our surprises so never mind. I don't wanna tell you anything"
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I'm in the camp of viewing FaceID as a huge step back relative to TouchID.

I'll echo another post in saying that this feature is attempting to resolve a problem that was never there.

Much appears to be lost with the removal of the Home button just for some extra screen real estate; making the iPhone experience much more complicated than it needs to be.

We'll have to wait and see if this new step in direction is a good one in real world use.

Though for now it doesn't seem very promising.
Not everything has to be a "problem" we have to solve. Some things are just good for design. Getting rid of things you might not need anymore is smart
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How am I supposed to use this iPhone X on Halloween when I am Trick or Treating?
How am I supposed to use Touch ID when wearing gloves? Or when hands are wet? Or covered in grease while eating fried chicken?
 
I really hope TouchID isn't missing completely. There's no way this is better, nor does it look like it can be faster what so ever. Plus, it seems like more of a battery drain having to "run" the camera to check.
It will be faster that's the whole point
 
Not a chance in hell I'm going to use this. If this becomes something that we're forced to use, I'm going to become that old guy with a flip phone etc. I just refuse.

No one can force you to use an iPhone, let alone this new face ID feature. That's why you have options on the market for other iPhones or competitor devices if you so choose.
 
We hear this every single time one technology is about to be replaced by a new one. And every single time people get proven wrong. And I have no doubt this won't be an expedition.
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Oh dear! Have no idea how people come up with this kind of stuff! Is there any reason why someone using the phone would keep his/her eyes closed? That on it's won would make face ID fail. Unless of course you sleep with your eyes open.
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Yes, it is like no one at Apple have thought of the different scenarios, only genius people at MacRumors have these ideas. But I still enjoy reading these laughable comments. It's like dejavo, before touch ID was implemented, with all the horror stories of fingers being cut an stuff. Absolutely hilarious!
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Please don't try to use too much common sense around here :)

That’s the difference between the people who work at Apple and the people who criticise Apple here.

The folks working tirelessly at Apple to implement these features will likely have thought of the same scenarios we have, but the difference is that they will then go on to come up with solutions to resolve those issues in one way or another. I too remember the crap storm this forum had when rumours of the 5s having a fingerprint sensor broke. TL; DR - none of the arguments held water.

Meanwhile, the critics here use these myriad of “what if” scenarios to anchor criticism and use them as proof of why something shouldn’t be done. It’s neither constructive nor productive.

I believe that come next week, Apple will answer all our concerns with regards to face ID and we will wonder how these conversations even happened in the first place.
 
You should, there’s animation of fingerprint being scan to show whether the payment goes thru or not. People are making way too many obscure excuses to make Face ID a step back method. When I use Apple Pay sometimes it doesn’t go thru because of my sweaty fingers. Face ID should be a lot more convenient for me.
Why don’t you pre-authenticate Apple Pay in the queue before getting to the terminal?

Double click the home button from sleep and leave your finger on their to activate and authenticate Apple Pay.

Then you have 60 seconds to complete a transaction without needing to use touch if again.

I imagine it’ll be the same for FaceID, take your phone out, double click for ApplePay, pre-authenticate with your face and then you’ll have upto a minute to complete a transaction without having to look at the phone again.

Pre-authentication with a 60 second timeout will alleviate most of people’s concerns with having to ‘lean over the nfc terminal when paying’.

Pretty much exactly how it works with touchid now.
 
I'm curious to see how it will manage facial recognition for users wearing sometimes contact lenses and sometimes glasses (like me).

Another issue is, as someone already told in the past days, when your face is partially covered, like skiers. To be honest, TouchID is already a weak point with gloves in winter time.
 
So with Touch ID you just put your phone on the payment reader and use your finger. Now will I have to lean my face on the card reader
No you won't. It can read your face in a range of 50cm to 1m and from tight angles, even if it were lying on a table. What this means is that when you gesture your phone to the reader, it'll search for your face, find it and authenticate immediately. Early rumours suggest it's even faster than TouchID. It would also not have this annoying issue of TouchID not working well when the phone is wet, and also degrading over time. It would happen in a way that almost makes the authentication process appear to disappear, while being even more secure.
 
I'm curious to see how it will manage facial recognition for users wearing sometimes contact lenses and sometimes glasses (like me).

Another issue is, as someone already told in the past days, when your face is partially covered, like skiers. To be honest, TouchID is already a weak point with gloves in winter time.

Exactly! I have the same concern.

Also, what about low light atmospheres? If you're at an event, it'll be pretty inappropriate to just hold your phone up to your face as if you're about to take a selfie.

Tuesday, where are you?!?
 
I'm curious to see how it will manage facial recognition for users wearing sometimes contact lenses and sometimes glasses (like me).

Another issue is, as someone already told in the past days, when your face is partially covered, like skiers. To be honest, TouchID is already a weak point with gloves in winter time.
I’m fairly confident that Apple would of thought of this, seeing as Tim Cook wears glasses...
 
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So not only will apple have your fingerprint sensor, they will also have a 3D scan of your face. I'm not paranoid when it comes to private data on the internet and so on, but this stuff takes it to the whole other level...
 
We hear this every single time one technology is about to be replaced by a new one. And every single time people get proven wrong. And I have no doubt this won't be an expedition.
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Oh dear! Have no idea how people come up with this kind of stuff! Is there any reason why someone using the phone would keep his/her eyes closed? That on it's own would make face ID fail. Unless of course you sleep with your eyes open.
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Yes, it is like no one at Apple have thought of the different scenarios, only genius people at MacRumors have these ideas. But I still enjoy reading these laughable comments. It's like dejavo, before touch ID was implemented, with all the horror stories of fingers being cut an stuff. Absolutely hilarious!
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Please don't try to use too much common sense around here :)

I'd argue in favor that people don't want the huge light the phone would produce needed to illuminate their face while in bed to unlock their phone, when a simple thumb on the home button can already do this now, and do it perfectly fine.

Facial recognition comes with MANY flaws and inconveniences, I could never get on board with it myself.

This will be something that crashes and burns and I'm willing to bet users will not be adopting facial recognition without protest.
 
I would like to see his private life ripped apart on the internet. There is seriously an ethics issue here - just to be first, we are going to do anything and everything it takes, even if that means destroying someone's buzz. I do hope Apple sues all of these fine gentlemen who broke their NDAs and who are releasing images out - because hey, you got it first from us!
 
Also, what about low light atmospheres? If you're at an event, it'll be pretty inappropriate to just hold your phone up to your face as if you're about to take a selfie.

Genuinely surprised how many people don’t understand infrared. It doesn’t need visible light!
 
Well you are on a rumors site, my dude. The average joe isn't going to know any of this.

There is a difference between a rumour, and people getting their hands on GM and ripping it up for "likes" on social media and for the ego boost of being the first ones.
 
I'd argue in favor that people don't want the huge light the phone would produce needed to illuminate their face while in bed to unlock their phone, when a simple thumb on the home button can already do this now, and do it perfectly fine.

Facial recognition comes with MANY flaws and inconveniences, I could never get on board with it myself.

This will be something that crashes and burns and I'm willing to bet users will not be adopting facial recognition without protest.

There should be infrared light (not visible to human eyes) to illuminate the face on dark situations. As for people not getting on board with this...... you surely mean the people who were not willing to scan their fingers and use the touch ID years ago (who also were willing to protest)? Sure, of course I get it.
 
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