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Details Emerge Regarding 'Face ID' Setup Process on iPhone X
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Are you being serious
the S8 and Note 8 can be fooled by a 2D picture, but no I don't think that a 3D picture will be able to fool it.Oh look, another thread full of people that don’t understand how 3D IR cameras work and how they’ve been near instant and secure for years. You can accuse Apple for being late to the party on this, but not for using an insecure and slow biometric technology. I’m convinced the only thing people have used is Google’s face unlock from ten years ago or are just repeating verbatim some nonsense they heard.
MODERN face biometrics is secure, nearly instant, 3D IR biometrics is amazingly quick, cannot be fooled and sounds like what they’re using on the new iPhone. For a good example look at Windows Hello on a surface.
MODERN face biometrics is secure, nearly instant, 3D IR biometrics is amazingly quick, cannot be fooled and sounds like what they’re using on the new iPhone. For a good example look at Windows Hello on a surface.
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I'm surprised how many people are afraid of the police getting into their phone... what the hell are you guys doing?
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are you serious? good luck using touchID with these gloves...
I’ve not had a situation in the past year where it failed due to my sweaty fingers. I’m so very used to activating it and swiping it. But at the same token, if it’s going to become a pain to use it to travel with, I’ll just use my card which has 0% failure rate.
So, you will 3D photograph somebody’s face, 3D print their whole head with 0.001 millimeter precision in all available measurements?
It is easier to imprint somebody’s finger than to 3D print their whole head
3D picture is USELESS if it is on screen, which is flat as IR measures the distances and shapes of surface
I'm sceptical and absolutely love TouchID on my 6s but I'm willing to reserve judgement and not write off FaceID before we've even seen it. If the claim in the article that "Apple is preparing Face ID to be "quicker, more secure, and more accurate than Touch ID"" is true and Apple manage to achieve that, in particular the "quicker" and "more accurate" bits (I'm assuming they wouldn't launch if it wasn't at least as secure as TouchID so take that one as a given) then it could be OK.
My big question is how will they cue it? Having the camera constantly on and the face recognition algorithm running on every frame would kill the battery. Will it cue off some pattern of movement from the accelerometer to guess when it has come out of a pocket? Will it be explicitly cued from the elongated power button? My guess is the later and that's part of the reason why it's getting bigger.
If it's cued off the power button and Apple can live up to its aim of making it faster than TouchID then the process and user experience might go something like this....
1 - Get phone out of pocket and orient screen roughly towards your face (or look towards the screen if lying on desk).
2 - Press power button. Quite possibly there is no visual feedback (screen activity) whatsoever at this point. What has happened however is that the front camera has silently grabbed a single image (i.e. a photo not video).
3 - Process that image and attempt to verify a face. There will still be no screen activity at this point, don't forget that Apple wants to make this faster than TouchID, which is already almost instant, so we are still only 10s of milliseconds after the user has pressed the power button.
4 - If a valid unlock face was recognised in (3) above then you're into the home screen. If not then maybe repeat step 3 a few times, i.e. grab another frame and try to see a valid face on it. This is done on the basis that maybe the user pressed the power button just before he/she was actually looking at the phone at a direct enough angle to be recognised. I assume the FaceID algorithm will be able to cope with a pretty decent range of oblique angles of view but obviously there will be a limit. How many times it retries will be determined by how long it is willing to delay going to step 5 in order to not create a noticeable frustrating "I pressed the power button and nothing happened" user experience. By the time we go to step 5 it would probably still only be a very few 100s of ms after pressing the power button, that will have been tuned during development based on testing feedback
5 - Silent/near-instant recognition has failed so now light up the screen either with forward camera feedback and framing bars to assist the user in getting his/her face in position or with keypad unlock or possibly even both - show the user the camera and framing bars at the top of the screen and also display the unlock keypad at the bottom so that the user has the choice to either try harder with FaceID or just use the unlock code. Don't forget, at entry to this stage it is still only a fraction of a second after first pressing the power button.
As with TouchID, on some occasions when it wants to re-validate the user via the passcode it would ignore all the above and go straight to the unlock keypad as it does currently for TouchID-enabled phones.
Even as a huge TouchID fan I can honestly see the above design working. It wouldn't use much battery power, and depending on how fast, accurate and tolerant of oblique face angles Apple can make the algorithms it could be just as fast and unobtrusive as TouchID with the only user adjustment that needs to be made being to press the rumoured soon-to-be-bigger power button rather than the home button to unlock the phone.
My big question is how will they cue it? Having the camera constantly on and the face recognition algorithm running on every frame would kill the battery. Will it cue off some pattern of movement from the accelerometer to guess when it has come out of a pocket? Will it be explicitly cued from the elongated power button? My guess is the later and that's part of the reason why it's getting bigger.
If it's cued off the power button and Apple can live up to its aim of making it faster than TouchID then the process and user experience might go something like this....
1 - Get phone out of pocket and orient screen roughly towards your face (or look towards the screen if lying on desk).
2 - Press power button. Quite possibly there is no visual feedback (screen activity) whatsoever at this point. What has happened however is that the front camera has silently grabbed a single image (i.e. a photo not video).
3 - Process that image and attempt to verify a face. There will still be no screen activity at this point, don't forget that Apple wants to make this faster than TouchID, which is already almost instant, so we are still only 10s of milliseconds after the user has pressed the power button.
4 - If a valid unlock face was recognised in (3) above then you're into the home screen. If not then maybe repeat step 3 a few times, i.e. grab another frame and try to see a valid face on it. This is done on the basis that maybe the user pressed the power button just before he/she was actually looking at the phone at a direct enough angle to be recognised. I assume the FaceID algorithm will be able to cope with a pretty decent range of oblique angles of view but obviously there will be a limit. How many times it retries will be determined by how long it is willing to delay going to step 5 in order to not create a noticeable frustrating "I pressed the power button and nothing happened" user experience. By the time we go to step 5 it would probably still only be a very few 100s of ms after pressing the power button, that will have been tuned during development based on testing feedback
5 - Silent/near-instant recognition has failed so now light up the screen either with forward camera feedback and framing bars to assist the user in getting his/her face in position or with keypad unlock or possibly even both - show the user the camera and framing bars at the top of the screen and also display the unlock keypad at the bottom so that the user has the choice to either try harder with FaceID or just use the unlock code. Don't forget, at entry to this stage it is still only a fraction of a second after first pressing the power button.
As with TouchID, on some occasions when it wants to re-validate the user via the passcode it would ignore all the above and go straight to the unlock keypad as it does currently for TouchID-enabled phones.
Even as a huge TouchID fan I can honestly see the above design working. It wouldn't use much battery power, and depending on how fast, accurate and tolerant of oblique face angles Apple can make the algorithms it could be just as fast and unobtrusive as TouchID with the only user adjustment that needs to be made being to press the rumoured soon-to-be-bigger power button rather than the home button to unlock the phone.
Totally agree.. removing touch I.D is a bad idea.
[doublepost=1505048220][/doublepost]I totally agree with you. Removing touch I.D in place for this "facial recognition" is a really bad idea. I suspect all of the exploits and security holes are plenty and have yet to be discovered, and will give the government, and hackers alike the ability gain easy access to your iPhone data
I love how it's the next step in a younger evolutionary version of the old Mac OS face, I guess the thought behind it was to reflect iOS's younger more expressive audience. Also notice how the nose is now leaning to his left...
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Well, it's not an evolution of the “old Mac OS face”, but an actual vectorized, 3D rendition of Susan Kare's Happy Mac's face (whose facial features do not intersect, unlike those in the classic Mac OS/Finder logo/icon). If anything, both the FaceID face and said logo are based on the Happy Mac, and the former is much closer to the original.
This is going to work very well in the car. Umm, I mean the Apple self driving car which is included right?
Innocent people rights are violated every day by our government and their minions, so you really need to climb off your sanctimonious high horse.