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Details of Lost Next-Generation iPhone Saga Revealed in Search Warrant Affidavit

miles01110 said:
Anyone know if Gray Powell still works at Apple? If he does, he clearly didn't do anything wrong bringing the prototype into a public place.
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He's still an Apple employee.

As mentioned many, many times here and elsewhere, Apple wants its iPhones field tested. Gray Powell was on that list of employees approved to field test phones. Someone (his manager, probably) put him on that list (which is allegedly reviewed by Steve himself).
 
DougB541 said:
Also this Matison chick stright up SNITCH ha.

Its one thing telling them about it to absolve yourself...but I am surprised she kept following up with more details like telling the cops they were hiding stuff.

She might just have not liked this kid haha.
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There is only one class of people that would call an upright citizen who reports a crime a "snitch".
 
.Andy said:
And apple have "probably" netted a few million + in continued, free advertising of their new phone. If it cost apple sales it will have cost other phone retailers sales as well with people holding off.
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Yes, because Apple has needed so much help in attaining huge sales of the iPhone. "A few million" ain't jack when you are potentially losing BILLIONS in a single quarter.

A crime happened. Gizmodo knew they were committing a crime. A Gizmodo editor may have have even fled the country to avoid persecution.

What happened is indefensible. Please, please, for the sake of anybody with a functioning brain, Stop. Trying. To. Defend. It.
 
gwangung said:
And iPhones never gets used in bars, do they?

Boy, you're reaching.
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Priceless prototypes shouldn't be used in a bar, when accidents like this can happen. Also, Gra could still test this iPhone like everyone would, just not bring it to any dumb place like a bar.

calderone said:
Because you know he was intoxicated right? From the what I read in the affidavit, he was not drunk. Especially considering he was driving.
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Regardless. He should have checked his purse/bag, and or pants pockets. having a prototype that money can't buy (according to apple) should mean being X-tra careful. If i had something like that, it would be in my pockets, hand, or at home safely hidden. Def not in a bag.
 
calderone said:
Really? "Snitch." Adults do the right thing, children pull the "snitch" card.
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Completely agree. What's wrong with people? Someone does the right thing and people get upset.

Instead of calling her a "Snitch", how about calling this guy a punk. He seriously said, "too bad" for the guy who might lose his job at Apple? What a piece of work if it's true.
 
This doesn't surprise me at all. The fact is apple is a medium large business ran by a man who is both fearing death and the end of his legacy.

Police evolvement in this case ahas been way over the top.

The phone was technically stolen so one man should be charged with larceny. The other payed for stolen property making him a co conspirator.

However it is just a phone so the charge should be something along the lines of community service. But we know that won't happen. Jobs will crush these men with his money and make a devil of himself to the world.

At this point I would graciously redacted all the iPhone prototypes I gave out and make a public statement along the lines of "no harm no foul"
 
ouimetnick said:
But still why Gray would bring something priceless to a bar, where people get drunk is beyond me.
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Theft is still illegal even if it is in a bar. I think using the word bar might be a little strong too. This was more like a pub or a restaurant. A place you go to get a meal and drink a beer with it. This wasn't some sort of night club location.
 
Hogan and an acquaintance removed several pieces of evidence from his apartment. The evidence, which included a desktop computer, USB flash drive and memory card, and stickers from the iPhone prototype, were found in a church, under a bush, and in a gas station parking lot.
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Makes me think about all the support this guy (and Chen) has been given in hundreds of posts on here about being innocent and not knowingly doing anything wrong...
 
ouimetnick said:
Priceless prototypes shouldn't be used in a bar, when accidents like this can happen. Also, Gra could still test this iPhone like everyone would, just not bring it to any dumb place like a bar.
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Oh please. You'd be making this same weak argument if this had happened in his house (Why on EARTH was it not locked in his safe? What? He doesn't have a safe????!), if it was picked up after Powell got into a car crash (Why was he driving with a priceless prototype! He should have had it airlifted to wherever he was going!), or if it got lost at Fort Leavenworth (Why'd he take it into a maximum security compound in the first place?? Doesn't he know there are criminals there?). Stop trying to sail your sinking ship.

If i had something like that, it would be in my pockets, hand, or at home safely hidden. Def not in a bag.
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Because things are so much safer in your pocket than in your bag. :rolleyes:
 
ouimetnick said:
I read the entire thing an hour ago at cnet. MR can be slow to report things it seems. I see the entire story now. Not just Gizmodos. I think this Brain guy is an ass. He knew it was more than a 3GS, but offers no sympathy. He could have wrote to Apple and included photos. But still why Gray would bring something priceless to a bar, where people get drunk is beyond me. I'm not liking Gizmodo/Jason's actions either. tearing the phone apart, and screwing it up.

Its a BIG mistake on Apple's part to trust a young 27 year old with something priceless. Yet, this Brian guy should have done the right thing. Now can someone explain the 2 other leaked prototypes?
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Gray was an approved tester. That's a well known fact.

You need to stop blaming the victim.
 
ert3 said:
Police evolvement in this case has been way over the top.
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Three felonies committed by Gawker employees. The least of these is paying for stolen property.

Theft of a trade secret is a big ****ing deal that can end a business. That's not likely in this case, but that doesn't absolve anybody.

Kevin Mitnick went to prison for less -- he never published.
 
In light of this document, let's review the excuses Gizmodo. Hogan and their apologists have been offering for the last month:

1) Hogan made a good faith effort to return the phone to Apple.

Incorrect. Hogan knew from the instant he found the phone who owned it from the Facebook page but didn't contact him, deciding instead to sell it, even when friends and acquaintances sought to dissuade him.

2) Hogan only sold to phone to Gizmodo not for money but because he wanted Gizmodo to help him return the phone to its owner.

Incorrect. Hogan sold the phone for money.

3) Hogan and Gizmodo didn't know the prototype was a authentic Apple prototype.

Incorrect. They knew.

4) Gizmodo returned the phone to Apple when asked, no damage done (it was harmless, like taking a car for a joyride).

Incorrect. The prototype was physically damaged when Gizmodo took it apart, a interesting and relevant fact that Gizmodo has never disclosed despite the tidal wave of self-promoting virtual ink they devoted to this story.

5) The police are Nazis scum pigs trying to squash Gizmodo from reporting the Truth!

Incorrect. The police couldn't care less about how Gizmodo reported the news, who its sources were or anything to do with its reportage since the police already knew all that information. It was just investigating the CRIME of buying stolen property.

6) The police were completely unjustified in rushing to get a search warrant and searching Jason Chen's home without his permission. They should have just asked nicely.

Incorrect. The police had been forced to engage in a scavenger hunt around the Bay area because suspects had tried to hide pieces of evidences in a criminal investigation. Given what had happened with these two suspects, it was reasonable to not take the risk that another suspected criminal would do the same.

7) Gizmodo is upholding the proud tradition of investigative journalism.

Incorrect. Gizmodo's commitment to the principles of hard-hitting journalism waxed and flowed with its level of coddling and insider access it got from Apple PR. More access, less scrutiny. Less access, we buy your prototype phones from guys who walk in off the street.

Nick Denton, Brian Lam and Jason Chen: why haven't they won Pulitzers yet?
 
ert3 said:
This doesn't surprise me at all. The fact is apple is a medium large business ran by a man who is both fearing death and the end of his legacy.
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+1 :)

Steve Jobs reminds me of the love-hate relationship I had with Brett Favre growing up. Both are legendary, except one threw a lot of interceptions and the other is a f*cking lunatic.

:apple:
 
4nNtt said:
Theft is still illegal even if it is in a bar. I think using the word bar might be a little strong too. This was more like a pub or a restaurant. A place you go to get a meal and drink a beer with it. This wasn't some sort of night club location.
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Well put, although a nightclub would certainly be on the list of places to field test a phone: indoors, dark, and noisy. (cellular reception, screen brightness, microphone sensitivity, ear speaker loudness, camera performance, etc.).

Heck, I've seen more iPhones in The Fillmore than any other single room.

To field test a device, you have to bring it to where the users will take it.
 
This story is full of morons and dishonest types.

I hope they nail Hogan and whatever genius at Gizmodo thought paying that much money was a good idea was completely retarded.

I want to comment on the engineer though: he's an idiot. A complete idiot. I agree that "real world testing" requires the real world, however when you're carrying a prototype phone like that for a company KNOWN to be obsessed about secrecy, for the love of all that's holy, don't go out and get smashed. It was flat out irresponsible.

He wasn't carrying a cell phone. He was carrying HIS JOB. When I go out with my laptop or any other expensive device the FIRST THING I do before leaving is check to make sure it's still with me. I'm intelligent enough not to go anywhere that my judgement may be impaired with really expensive gadgetry.
 
Yep.

Now, if Apple sent their own security staff kicking the guys door in, you paranoid conspiracy theorists would have something to complain about.

But they didn't.
 
awmazz said:
Makes me think about all the support this guy (and Chen) has been given in hundreds of posts on here about being innocent and not knowingly doing anything wrong...
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I definitely supported him and chen. Innocent until proven guilty. Now we've got more information (which is still being tested) we've got more of a picture. Certainly nothing to be gained to jumping to premature conclusions and attacking an individual based on nothing but hearsay media reports.

4nNtt said:
You are an idiot.
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Classy.
 
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