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This is one hell of an elaborate PR stunt. Who knew "Brian Lam" and "Jason Chen" were even stage names all this time. Next, you're gonna tell me they're not even Asian.
 
"PRICELESS"??? Really? IT IS A PHONE!! not the holy grail!

I am not saying that they should trust such things like prototypes and such to kids, but he is an apple engineer. do you have any idea how smart and mature he probably is just to have a job that requires him to handle prototypes outside the office on a daily basis?? apple doesn't just go out and hire kids from a local college and say 'here is a prototype iphone...I want you to test it for us. now, don't lose it!'

mistakes happen, but gizmodo really screwed the pooch on this one. they shoulda' just taken pics and sent it back to apple. no harm done.

but, you are taking this way too far calling this thing "priceless". it has a price...probably $221? ;) who knows.

It says in the long essay search warrant paper, that Sewel or some Apple security guy said the phone didn't have a value as it was so. important. He said it was priceless or something among those lines.

Apple wants its iPhones field tested in a variety of situations and environments. That's why the prototype was covered in a case that made it look like an iPhone 3GS.

My guess is that dozens even hundreds of iPhone prototypes have been in bars, restaurants, nightclubs, sporting events, etc.

But if Apple considers the prototype to be priceless, it shouldn't go into a bar where the engineer will get intoxicated.
 
I don't understand why it would cost Apple a few million in lost sales.

Call them deferred sales, then. It's hard to quantify, but there are certainly folks who were in the market for a cell phone who will now wait to buy one in the future. This decreases current demand and deflates the potential revenue from current inventory.

Of course, certain people will also start saving, and certain others will take this as a cue to wait a little longer on the Nexus One...
 
I don't understand why it would cost Apple a few million in lost sales.

It's an iphone, it's would be a huge success whether it is good or not.
Sales of the current iPhone have likely dropped as a result of widespread media confirmation of the forthcoming model. Sure, all of us know that Apple releases a new iPhone every summer, but Joe Public doesn't know that - until CNN puts pictures of it on their site after Gizmodo takes it upon themselves to do Apple's PR for them. :rolleyes:

Why do you think there's such a short window between announcement of a new iPhone and its availability? To avoid this very situation: millions of dollars in lost sales while people wait for the new model to be sold.
 
I don't understand why it would cost Apple a few million in lost sales.

It's an iphone, it would be a huge success whether it is good or not.

Lost sales now while people wait for the new phone. Ordinarily they wouldn't know the details ahead of time but because of the leak they do.


EDIT: Doh', too slow.
 
So..now everyone who thinks that neither Gizmodo nor Hogan did anything wrong should have the rethink. Idiots.:confused:
 
Also this Matison chick stright up SNITCH ha.

Its one thing telling them about it to absolve yourself...but I am surprised she kept following up with more details like telling the cops they were hiding stuff.

She might just have not liked this kid haha.

Really? "Snitch." Adults do the right thing, children pull the "snitch" card.
 
What i thought was most amusing was that Hogan and his friend tried to cover up evidence by hiding his desktop and all the other evidence in their nearby church. Add to the fact that his friend then went off the grid into hiding, If that isn't an admission of guilt, I don't know what is.
 
And apple have "probably" netted a few million + in continued, free advertising of their new phone. If it cost apple sales it will have cost other phone retailers sales as well with people holding off.

Yeah, free advertisements like "Apple orders police to kick in the guys doors" (and that would be one of the more harmless ones) is surely worth millions.

And what if it cost other phone retailers sales? That has nothing to do with Apple. They can sue Gizmodo as well if they feel hurt.
 
Then they're morons for taking the risk that their phone with "trade secrets" would get lost. That's what happens with phones in the real world (so mission accomplished). There are many, many other ways to field test a phone that (a) don't require alcohol, and (b) don't risk it being lost in public. This was a fail on apple's behalf (which by no means absolves hogan or gizmodo from their actions).

I agree with you 100% Now that I know the entire story, gizmodo/Chen/Brain guy are at way more fault than I previously though. But I still stand behind my words, and I agree with your statement.
 
It says in the long essay search warrant paper, that Sewel or some Apple security guy said the phone didn't have a value as it was so. important. He said it was priceless or something among those lines.



But if Apple considers the prototype to be priceless, it shouldn't go into a bar where the engineer will get intoxicated.

Because you know he was intoxicated right? From the what I read in the affidavit, he was not drunk. Especially considering he was driving.
 
Do you bring your cell phone when you go places? Honestly, that's quite an unintelligent thought.

I would *like* to think that those prototype phones aren't the engineers' or testers' primary, personal cell phones. But alas, I'd also *like* to think that oil companies don't drill in the ocean without a worse case scenario plan, but clearly I was wrong on that too... :rolleyes:
 
I read the entire thing an hour ago at cnet. MR can be slow to report things it seems. I see the entire story now. Not just Gizmodos. I think this Brain guy is an ass. He knew it was more than a 3GS, but offers no sympathy. He could have wrote to Apple and included photos. But still why Gray would bring something priceless to a bar, where people get drunk is beyond me. I'm not liking Gizmodo/Jason's actions either. tearing the phone apart, and screwing it up.

Its a BIG mistake on Apple's part to trust a young 27 year old with something priceless. Yet, this Brian guy should have done the right thing. Now can someone explain the 2 other leaked prototypes?

If you think it was a big mistake to trust a 27 year old, you probably don't want to know the average age of Apple's engineers... In computer science, most of the people innovating are in their twenties and thirties.
 
Anyone know if Gray Powell still works at Apple? If he does, he clearly didn't do anything wrong bringing the prototype into a public place.

But alas, I'd also *like* to think that oil companies don't drill in the ocean without a worse case scenario plan, but clearly I was wrong on that too... :rolleyes:

Except they did have a worst-case scenario plan and a failsafe mechanism. Contingency plans usually aren't made for the case when the last line of defense fails.
 
Gizmodo, Gizzed without thinking

I think the documents warrant is valid. Gizomodo really messed up on this. They ruined the surprise. But Apple might have to thank them later for all this publicity.
 
Really? "Snitch." Adults do the right thing, children pull the "snitch" card.

or she might just have had a conscience.

neither. It was self preservation. Based on the affidavit, the roommate was worried she would get implicated since Hogan used her computer to send out the emails and maybe store photos. She was worried that Apple would trace it back to her.

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Real nice guy that stole the phone too. "Sucks for him" is his level of concern for the Apple employee. Sounds like he knew exactly what he was doing.
Indeed, he's the biggest jerk, actually a criminal.

A normally-adjusted member of society would simply give the phone to the bartender, "Hey, the guy who was just here forgot this." Powell called the bar the next day; he would have picked it up and that would have been the end of the story.
 
The thing is, Apple PR has been cold to us lately. It affected my ability to do my job right at iPad launch. So we had to go outside and find our stories like this one, very aggressively.

you think they were cold to you before…

ianal, but that statement could come back to haunt gizmodo, financially if not legally.
 
And what if it cost other phone retailers sales? That has nothing to do with Apple.
I think you missed the point. People considering buying other manufacturer's handsets on comparison to the current gen iphone might also be likely to hold off to see what this new offering will be. It isn't only the current gen iphone sales that will take a hit (or be deferred as was pointed out above).
 
I would *like* to think that those prototype phones aren't the engineers' or testers' primary, personal cell phones.

Um, how else do you test a phone? Just use it to send an SMS from home once and a while? No, real world. Use it on more than the one cell tower near your house...

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