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Details of Lost Next-Generation iPhone Saga Revealed in Search Warrant Affidavit
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I think I've mentioned this about eight or nine times, and I think people keep talking as if this was this year's model that was prototyped.
Just leads me to believe people aren't really reading the arguments here...
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Those crooks and thieves belong behind bars in a jail cell with a 350 pound lovely cellmate called Bubba who also goes by the name of Lisa.
It is clear that there was criminal intent and numerous illegal activities being committed in this illegal scheme every single step of the way.
Anybody defending the criminals and bad mouthing Apple is a complete moron, because regardless of what somebody may think about Apple, it is clear who is in the wrong here and who knowingly committed these numerous crimes.
It is clear that there was criminal intent and numerous illegal activities being committed in this illegal scheme every single step of the way.
Anybody defending the criminals and bad mouthing Apple is a complete moron, because regardless of what somebody may think about Apple, it is clear who is in the wrong here and who knowingly committed these numerous crimes.
I was originally willing to cut Brian Hogan a little slack, going with "he's just a knucklehead who made an error". Now I hope he gets hit hard. The work "prick" comes to mind.
Brian Hogan?
Sucks to be him.
Shouldn't have been such a douche-bag thief.
Brian Hogan?
Sucks to be him.
Shouldn't have been such a douche-bag thief.
This illustrates a well-known fact - at least in the legal community - about criminal justice: most crimes are solved not by complicated CSI investigations or marathon police questioning but through mundane and voluntary confessions.
Testimony against Chen and the Gizmodo crew is a pretty good reason to show Hogan leniency. I agree that the kids got carried away by the chance to make a couple thousand bucks easy. I'm not sure how much justice is served by racking him over the coals or giving a 22-year-old a criminal record.
Gizmodo has no such excuse. They are professionals, in the most elastic use of that term, and they had access to legal advice. The fact that they chose not to avail themselves of it or that the legal counsel was incompetent is their problem.
Corporate (or industrial) espionage is not the same as espionage as defined above, but a crime nonetheless.
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Please educate yourself and learn the definition of espionage, because espionage does not relate only to govt secrets. There is such a thing called corporate espionage, which doesn't necessarily have to have anything to do with any govt entities.
It's Gizmodo's actions I find absolutely incredible here.... they've proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that they've got zero integrity as a new source or as journalists and their entire attitude towards the tech industry they report in is pretty much in spoiled brat territory. I notice that while they were lightning quick to post up anything related to this story a few weeks ago they haven't posted these details up to the site yet.... what a shocker THAT is.
I've only had time for a quick scan (it's bed time here in the UK so the full thing will wait until the morning) but from what I've seen it looks like Apple would have a decent shot at a civil case and there's a reasonable base for a criminal one too. Personally I'd love to see Gizmodo taken apart over this and criminal records for those involved, seems like a fair turnaround for what they did to the poor guy who 'lost' this handset. Oh, and no this isn't an Apple thing, I'd think the same if they'd grabbed the latest Android / webOS / WP7 / Symbian handset the same way. It's wrong, immoral and deceitful, end of story.
I've only had time for a quick scan (it's bed time here in the UK so the full thing will wait until the morning) but from what I've seen it looks like Apple would have a decent shot at a civil case and there's a reasonable base for a criminal one too. Personally I'd love to see Gizmodo taken apart over this and criminal records for those involved, seems like a fair turnaround for what they did to the poor guy who 'lost' this handset. Oh, and no this isn't an Apple thing, I'd think the same if they'd grabbed the latest Android / webOS / WP7 / Symbian handset the same way. It's wrong, immoral and deceitful, end of story.
I've followed all comments pretty closely since this entire thing broke in April and still missed it (it's been insane).
While it makes lots of sense that this years phone would be out in the field, we have no idea what kind of timeline Apple works within. Or what features/inner components get held back for a later release.
Glad to see others are thinking about this.
I don't get your point. Are you claiming that the police would give less attention to a stolen prototype of, say, a Windows 7 phone or are you just pointing out that stolen prototypes get more attention from the police since they are far more valuable than ordinary phones?
Blog or journalist doesn't matter at all. Receiving stolen goods, criminal damage, and divulging trade secrets is not something journalists are allowed to do.
Exactly. Giz could have paid Hogan the $8500 or whatever, done those pix and videos in an hour, with Hogan in the room, without taking it apart, then let Hogan walk back out the door with it. They would not have received stolen property because they never "controlled" it. They would have just paid for the "photo shoot" scoop.
Giz would have gotten nearly as much web traffic, which was the whole point, without being terribly exposed, legally. They might not have even been investigated by the cops at all, and Hogan / Powell would might remained anonymous.
Apple might have hit them with a cease and desist order, but they seem to not do that any more. Publicity is publicity, buzz is buzz, whether it's official or not.
So, when the Giz imbeciles realized they could be in big trouble legally, they tried to spread blame and misdirect Apple's and the cops' focus to Powell. What a douchebag move. I've never liked Gizmodo anyway. High school level writing and high school level FAIL.
Unbelievable! The guys at Engadget have uncovered the complete script of this whole debacle, starting from the prototype months ago to the stolen iPhone at the beer garden to the police seizure to the uncovered documents to Diaz fleeing the state and stealing SpaceShipOne from Richard Branson's lair. You just gotta read what happens when Gary Powell holds Brian Lam at gunpoint when Jason Chen is about to detonate the new Apple data center with palladium nitrate manufactured by none other than the supposedly defunct Microsoft Hardware division and supplied by Steve Ballmer!
Again, he was out with his uncle on his birthday. His bag got knocked over and the phone fell out without him noticing. He wasn't trashed. He's a 27 year old professional engineer for a major multinational electronics company getting dinner and a drink with his uncle, not some stupid frat boy so drunk he didn't know what was going on. The phone being in his bag shows that he was somewhat cautious with it, and explains why he didn't notice until later that it was missing.
Hung Drawn and Quartered
You should of read some of the other posts from the earlier forums, Apple was just short of being hung, drawn and quartered by quite few posters.
A lot of people were expecting Apple to look the villain in this.
Guess not.
You should of read some of the other posts from the earlier forums, Apple was just short of being hung, drawn and quartered by quite few posters.
Exactly. The cops can't arrest a journalist and interrogate him about a source, who could be a criminal. But it doesn't matter who you are: you commit a felony, and you're a felon. Gizmodo can't traffic in stolen goods just because they blog about those goods. Neither can real journalists.
The only official word from Apple
was that it was a device (in the letter to Lam). We don't know what the thing isa prototype of an actual product, this year's phone, next year's phone, or simply a platform to test some as yet unknown OS. However, the detective calls it a 4G iPhone prototype in the docs, but he doesn't quote any Apple rep as calling it that. I guess we'll find out come WWDC.
Someone's going to the hoosegow, methinks
was that it was a device (in the letter to Lam). We don't know what the thing isa prototype of an actual product, this year's phone, next year's phone, or simply a platform to test some as yet unknown OS. However, the detective calls it a 4G iPhone prototype in the docs, but he doesn't quote any Apple rep as calling it that. I guess we'll find out come WWDC.
Someone's going to the hoosegow, methinks
Would make an awesome SouthPark episode!
As I said earlier, depending on how badly this turns out for all parties involved, I could totally see a feature film based on these events in the future.
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Hey Jason, don't mess with the Big Dog!
The Fugitive (1993):
Deputy Marshal Samuel Gerard: So he showed up not dead yet. Let that be a lesson to you, boys and girls. Don't ever argue with the big dog, because the big dog is always right.
Marshal Biggs: Woo-woo-woo-woof.
Hey Jason, don't mess with the Big Dog!
The Fugitive (1993):
Deputy Marshal Samuel Gerard: So he showed up not dead yet. Let that be a lesson to you, boys and girls. Don't ever argue with the big dog, because the big dog is always right.
Marshal Biggs: Woo-woo-woo-woof.