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Details of Lost Next-Generation iPhone Saga Revealed in Search Warrant Affidavit
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Giz and Hogan are so screwed.
Whats amazing to me is not how dumb Hogan was. Well, it is somewhat amazing, considering that he thought he wouldn't get busted for this, he did all this stuff on his personal equipment and not disposable stuff/internet kiosks and thought it be worth it to risk getting in this much trouble for a mere 10 grand rather than go with a safe bet of returning the phone and possible getting a free computer or two. I know kids these days aren't all that smart, but besides being the wrong thing to do, it was all for a small chance for a small benefit. He wasn't going to make millions here. Hindsight is 20/20, but this is common sense for a crook. You can't fence hot goods. And again, his roomate was objecting to this, yet he told her about it, let her know his plans it AND used her computer? Don't even get me started on the morality, I've posted about that already.
Whats even MORE amazing is how stupid Giz was. As if doing this wasn't going to bite them in the butt? Let alone buying questionable property to get money in a public way (and money they wouldn't likely see most of), but they ALSO though sending a smart ass letter to Steve Jobs was a good idea? I thought these guys were professional bloggers, not people with a college level sense of "a good idea". If I had got that condescending letter from Giz, I would have blown my top (and Im a level headed dude). Lam wanted proof from Apple the phone was real, besides an email and a request to RETURN IT TO THEM?...and then he mentions that they've been getting the cold shoulder lately, and need to be "aggressive" while constantly framing his position as "we're trying to do the right thing/we're just a little tech blog"? ....I know he was trying to be diplomatic, but the email was about the worst thing I've read so far in this fiasco.
I understood what happened before, but now I read the affadavit and realized everyone involved was a stone cold moron, basically admitting their guilt in writing/electronic format the ENTIRE WAY. Apple has giz by the balls on this one. I hope they don't settle out of court. I wouldn't. Personally, in my position, I just want to see the court case go down and everyone get just desserts.
But if I was Steve, I would be trying to decide
A) Be responsible to Apple: Do good PR and proper response: settle for cash and dole out a lifetime ban of the current Giz staff.
and
B) Flex a little muscle and run Gawker and Giz into the ground publicly, then refuse to sell any Apple products to Lam and Chen forever.
Edit: I sure use lettered lists a lot
Whats amazing to me is not how dumb Hogan was. Well, it is somewhat amazing, considering that he thought he wouldn't get busted for this, he did all this stuff on his personal equipment and not disposable stuff/internet kiosks and thought it be worth it to risk getting in this much trouble for a mere 10 grand rather than go with a safe bet of returning the phone and possible getting a free computer or two. I know kids these days aren't all that smart, but besides being the wrong thing to do, it was all for a small chance for a small benefit. He wasn't going to make millions here. Hindsight is 20/20, but this is common sense for a crook. You can't fence hot goods. And again, his roomate was objecting to this, yet he told her about it, let her know his plans it AND used her computer? Don't even get me started on the morality, I've posted about that already.
Whats even MORE amazing is how stupid Giz was. As if doing this wasn't going to bite them in the butt? Let alone buying questionable property to get money in a public way (and money they wouldn't likely see most of), but they ALSO though sending a smart ass letter to Steve Jobs was a good idea? I thought these guys were professional bloggers, not people with a college level sense of "a good idea". If I had got that condescending letter from Giz, I would have blown my top (and Im a level headed dude). Lam wanted proof from Apple the phone was real, besides an email and a request to RETURN IT TO THEM?...and then he mentions that they've been getting the cold shoulder lately, and need to be "aggressive" while constantly framing his position as "we're trying to do the right thing/we're just a little tech blog"? ....I know he was trying to be diplomatic, but the email was about the worst thing I've read so far in this fiasco.
I understood what happened before, but now I read the affadavit and realized everyone involved was a stone cold moron, basically admitting their guilt in writing/electronic format the ENTIRE WAY. Apple has giz by the balls on this one. I hope they don't settle out of court. I wouldn't. Personally, in my position, I just want to see the court case go down and everyone get just desserts.
But if I was Steve, I would be trying to decide
A) Be responsible to Apple: Do good PR and proper response: settle for cash and dole out a lifetime ban of the current Giz staff.
and
B) Flex a little muscle and run Gawker and Giz into the ground publicly, then refuse to sell any Apple products to Lam and Chen forever.
Edit: I sure use lettered lists a lot
By the way, does anyone know it if would have been legal for Hogan to talk about the iPhone if he had returned it to Apple? If so, he could have asked Apple for money to sign a NDA, and if they refused, he could simply sell the information about the new iPhone (including sketches etc) which should have got him at least close to that sum of money while still legal. Anyone?
Yeah, so true! I couldn't believe that some people actually think the First Amendment covers Gizmodo. All parties here are guilty, and deserve to be punished to the fullest extent of the law.
What a gyp!!!
Apple leaks information on a regular basis to build anticipation and get market information on up an coming products.
Image the feedback they are getting on this new and different looking iphone.
I would like to think that this action is not Apple driven since it would seem a bit hypocritical.
Apple leaks information on a regular basis to build anticipation and get market information on up an coming products.
Image the feedback they are getting on this new and different looking iphone.
I would like to think that this action is not Apple driven since it would seem a bit hypocritical.
What a gyp!!!
Apple leaks information on a regular basis to build anticipation and get market information on up an coming products.
Image the feedback they are getting on this new and different looking iphone.
I would like to think that this action is not Apple driven since it would seem a bit hypocritical.
Apple leaks information on a regular basis to build anticipation and get market information on up an coming products.
Image the feedback they are getting on this new and different looking iphone.
I would like to think that this action is not Apple driven since it would seem a bit hypocritical.
The smart thing for Gizmodo to do would have been to call the cops AND write the story. They wouldn't have been able to tear the phone apart, but they still would have gotten photos of the phone and had a better story to boot. Plus way better karma with less jail time.
I'm glad these documents were unsealed. There has been many accusations against Apple using it's influence to inappropriately control the investigation.
These allegations are unsupported by documentation.
These allegations are unsupported by documentation.
Really, I thought that they field tested just one standing right next to an AT&T tower. If it was done any other way, they would realize AT&T service sucks.
Sorry couldn't resists.
If Steve did the latter, he would be labelled a real Apphole. Keep in mind that John Stewart is a powerful voice and can blemish Jobs because he has his own tv show and Steve does'nt. John is big media, Steve is big corporate.
Secondly, I want you to THINK really hard. If Apple did not like Gizmodo all those years and wanted to be rid of them, don't you think it's too convenient for someone like that employee to 'forget' his prototype at a bar when someone, say an Apple plant, could have been ordered to 'sell' it to Gizmodo by framing them?
Think about that. It may sound ridiculous but there's something that the cops have NOT really thought this through very well.
Many, many personal details of the people involved in that document. They could have at least taken care to redact some of it
why?
after reading the whole thing.
wow.
someone is going to jail for this.
I can see Jason Chen getting a plea deal. I honestly think he will see some jail time. Not much though. He can plea guilty and testify against the kid who stole it.
the kid who stole it will see jail time. more than a year probably.
Gizmodo will get a fine so high...wow...either nick denton chews the pain who will sell the site.
from apple's standpoint...just let the police do what they got to do. apple doesnt need to get too involved. they probably dont want the attention but they NEED to do this to prevent this from happening again.
I am pretty sure their point has been made. Do you think any other tech site has the balls to do something like this in the future? no way.
Here's how I imagine it would have gone. Drive straight to Apple HQ the next morning and indicate that you found a lost prototype and request to speak with senior management. Hand back the phone, then note that while you waited to get ahold of someone that you took detailed photos and descriptions of the device in case Apple was not the owner and you had to file a police report. Offer to hand over the memory card and sign an NDA in exchange for compensation for your time and inconvenience.
It probably is because the next-generation components aren't available this early, even samples.
As far as I can tell, Apple has five levels of hardware development: proto build, EVT, DVT, PVT, and steady state production.
My guess is that the upcoming iPhone is in PVT/Ramp and that there are already designs on the fifth-generation iPhone (2011) in terms of what functionality they want the device to have. Actually, Apple probably has an iPhone roadmap going out several years, including EOL (end-of-life) plans.
I would expect field-testing of the 5th generation iPhone to start in January/February of next year.
Where are the numskulls who think that neither of these guys did anything wrong?
Or are they all still in that previous thread?
Do you mean BBC?
I am sure they will ignore this.
Yeah, and if you bought the phone and took it to a bar and it didn't work right you'd be pissed. Do you expect them to field test these things before launch or after? I expect Apple to be like that annoying Verizon guy, seeing if they work in as many places as possible.
not only that, but diaz has sent proof from the future as well!
is it just me or does he look like a total tool in the photo?
What would I have done in Hogans position?
I leave my number with the barkeepernot the phone (I'm not that stupid, barkeepers, come on)in case the owner calls to inquire.
During the night, I cant sleep, of course, so eventually I take the phone and switch it on. Check it out for two minutes. Not reading the guys email, of course, but you must understand this: Im maybe the first mere mortal to hold the next iteration of communication lifestyle magic in my own hands.
Then I go back to sleep. The next morning I call the police, Apple, and the Lost Property Office. This covers my behind while I dream of receiving VIP treatment from Apple for saving theirs.
Shopping around on fan sites, looking sell it to them?
Thats not on my hard drive.
I leave my number with the barkeepernot the phone (I'm not that stupid, barkeepers, come on)in case the owner calls to inquire.
During the night, I cant sleep, of course, so eventually I take the phone and switch it on. Check it out for two minutes. Not reading the guys email, of course, but you must understand this: Im maybe the first mere mortal to hold the next iteration of communication lifestyle magic in my own hands.
Then I go back to sleep. The next morning I call the police, Apple, and the Lost Property Office. This covers my behind while I dream of receiving VIP treatment from Apple for saving theirs.
Shopping around on fan sites, looking sell it to them?
Thats not on my hard drive.
Yeah it sounds pretty dumb of them, but these aren't people who were being intimidating. This is what happens when the cops go down on people. People give in because they don't want to go to jail.
The Girl turned them because she didn't want any trouble..I would have done the same..theres evidence she knew about it on her computer, so she is "in or out" on this crime. Obviously, she picked out. The father might be the kind of guy who isn't going to cover for his dumb kid (as any good father might do, if his kid is given to doing things like this) and waiving Miranda rights is because the kid is trying to save his OWN skin by cooperating.
I certainly have said those things, but not when it comes to possibly making someone lose their job over an accident while I profit over it...when i could have fixed the whole thing with one facebook message. "Snitch ass baby?" If I was the roomate, I wouldn't want any part of this...just cause her roomate is dumb AND used her computer on a stolen item, doesn't mean she wants to go to court too.