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Oddly, the ATI Radeon HD 5770 is the stock graphics card included on the current, nearly two-year old Mac Pro. Apple would be expected to use a much newer graphics card option in its revised machines.

This isn't odd, this is typical of Apple;

Claim to have worlds best computers for creative professionals, offer garbage 2 year old outdated video cards and charge double of their value.

Its one of the reasons why I won't be switching back to a Mac Pro, Apple doesn't care about people who do more than send pictures to grandma and grandpa.
 
This isn't odd, this is typical of Apple;

Claim to have worlds best computers for creative professionals, offer garbage 2 year old outdated video cards and charge double of their value.

Its one of the reasons why I won't be switching back to a Mac Pro, Apple doesn't care about people who do more than send pictures to grandma and grandpa.

I think that spec is wrong. Perhaps the 7000 series AMD in the Mac Pro.
 
Excited for the update here regaurdless of redesign or not :)...on a sort of off-topic question, anyone else getting malware warnings from ustream?
 
Ivy Bridge tends to be quite a bit faster than Nehalem/Westmere, clock for clock, and the E3 is clocked higher. It maintains 2 MB of L3 per core, and has a comfortably high limit of 32 GB of DDR3-1600.

I bottleneck on one core of my processor far more often than I run out of RAM, so I'd be happy with E3s for single-proc since that'd max many single-threaded workloads, leaving dual-proc for people who have parallelizable workloads. Don't think I'll see it, though.

Whilst geekbench is hardly the perfect benchmark, it does give us some indication and the Ivy Bridge E3 1230 scores about the same as the 2011 MacBook Pro with the quad i7-2860QM 2500 MHz (12,000). The Westmere 6 core scores about 15,000. The current 3.2 Quad in the Mac Pro scores 10832.

This is why I would not consider the E3 to be a worthy upgrade.

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The MacBookPro page still refers to the 'old' model as 'the new MacBookPro'. It's always like that, I think.

Yes, it is always like that, but you've missed my point mate. At some time today those pages will be updated. Usually those updates happen before the store is back up (http://store.apple.com/uk) so you can see them a minute or two earlier. Considering how excited every one is, that minute could make all the difference.

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Well, this is just getting ridiculous:

From 9to5 again

MC975LL/A – MBP 15.4/2.3/8GB/256GB FLASH-USA
MC976LL/A – MBP 15.4/2.6/8GB/512GB FLASH-USA
MD831LL/A – MBP 15.4/2.7/16GB/768GB FLASH-USA
We’ve been told that these will not be cheap and even pass the $4000 equivalent mark on the high end in some countries. Who’s going to throw down for these?
 
You missed my edit, but the Mac Pro specs do not make sense whichever way you look at them.

The E3 and E5 have dual channel and quad channel memory respectively. That means 6 GB and 12 GB memory does not make sense.

Neither did some of the older configurations (3 GB on dual channel memory architecture, etc..) and they did mix up Nehalem and Westmere architectures last refresh.
 
Excited for the update here regaurdless of redesign or not :)...on a sort of off-topic question, anyone else getting malware warnings from ustream?

Yes, I got the warning on Chrome.

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Neither did some of the older configurations (3 GB on dual channel memory architecture, etc..) and they did mix up Nehalem and Westmere architectures last refresh.

You're making me grit my teeth in anger... :D
 
What would the AE update consist of, if not that? Why update it at all if ac is right around the corner? I agree it would be weird not to release ac across the board.

Well, last time they did update the AE, it was a range bump and nothing much else really. They might just have some storage changes in the TC and are updating the AE to use the newer revised chipsets of the TC without the 802.11ac, but newer 802.11n radios, antennas, with some better range/performance. Maybe more channels ?

I'm really not putting any money into 802.11ac. Again, filing that under surprise, but 802.11n AE is my guess.
 
i hope they arent so stupid to offer such a OLD config...
otherwise no problem... let's built a hack-pro for less then that money.
 
Whilst geekbench is hardly the perfect benchmark, it does give us some indication and the Ivy Bridge E3 1230 scores about the same as the 2011 MacBook Pro with the quad i7-2860QM 2500 MHz (12,000). The Westmere 6 core scores about 15,000.

The problem with Geekbench is it's only one number, which hides the fact that you have to make significant tradeoffs between maximizing single-threaded versus multi-threaded performance. You can see this on Xeon benchmarks where the single-proc systems that are clocked higher suddenly start stomping the dual-proc systems on single-threaded workloads.

An E3-based system would be a less versatile workstation, but what it does well it'll do better than even the best dual-proc or quad-proc Xeon workstation. If you happen to want to do what an E3 is good at, it's actually a better choice for maximizing performance.

Edit: Again, not saying Apple will do this, I just want my ridiculously high-end xMac. :D
 
The information superhighway is like a bridge to our children's future, with Apple delivering the technology of tomorrow- today! :)
 
Neither did some of the older configurations (3 GB on dual channel memory architecture, etc..) and they did mix up Nehalem and Westmere architectures last refresh.

3GB on triple channel. Nehalem and Westmere co-existed as part of Intel's line up. Apple will not use E3 Xeons, they essentially end in terms of performance where E5 begins. Other vendors are offering 4-8 cores on single CPU and Apple are going to offer just a quad core? Nah.
 
What's the mention of ustream. Is there somewhere secretly streaming the keynote? :confused:

No secret that I know of, I was just checking out some of the live blogger websites, such as cnet and when I went to a ustream one it said malware detected.
 
The problem with Geekbench is it's only one number, which hides the fact that you have to make significant tradeoffs between maximizing single-threaded versus multi-threaded performance. You can see this on Xeon benchmarks where the single-proc systems that are clocked higher suddenly start stomping the dual-proc systems on single-threaded workloads.

An E3-based system would be a less versatile workstation, but what it does well it'll do better than even the best dual-proc or quad-proc Xeon workstation. If you happen to want to do what an E3 is good at, it's actually a better choice for maximizing performance.

Edit: Again, not saying Apple will do this, I just want my ridiculously high-end xMac. :D

I cannot disagree with you about geekbench, but I, too, am looking at this from a purely selfish perspective. My workflow benefits from extra cores and in real world benchmarks the i7 3930 is perfect for my needs, hence why I am hoping for the E5-1650. If there is no 6 core single CPU model, then I may have to look at a dual CPU configuration.
 
Arse parts... I was really hoping the rumoured ditch of the MBP 17" was all lies, but it looks like it'll be dropped :(
 
Yeah, it's more exciting to read the Apple keynote updates :D but maybe the boy's will put 'some' effort in, but as it's France I doubt it...

Still you can do both, watch the match and constantly update the Mac Rumors live blog :)

That's what I'll be doing... Even though that classes as multi-tasking and I told my wife years ago that I can't do that. :D
 
Well... more anyway

So you're saying that there weren't any leaks when Steve was around? My memory says otherwise.

Mate, look at all the leaks that have happened in the last 24 hours. Specs of the new macbook airs/pros and mac pros. Leaks of product listings in Australia. Confirmation of iOS 6 features and mountain lion features. And to add to this, the actual logic board of the macbook pro

ALL of this adds up to way more leaks that happened when Steve was CEO. Dont forget that Cook said he would double down on security ... and look what has happened.

This is coming from a huge apple fanboy btw, i love apple
 
I cannot disagree with you about geekbench, but I, too, am looking at this from a purely selfish perspective. My workflow benefits from extra cores and in real world benchmarks the i7 3930 is perfect for my needs, hence why I am hoping for the E5-1650. If there is no 6 core single CPU model, then I may have to look at a dual CPU configuration.

Fair enough. My dream is BTO for both, but I don't think that's happening. ;)
 
Some or all of the leaks could be false trails designed to identify where the leaks are coming from. It would also cast doubt on the real leaks.

I agree with you mate, but in the last 48 hours or so, there have been legitimate leaks that have arisen, not fake ones designed to track leakers.
 
I'm praying for 6 core 1650 as well. Same as you, the 3930k perfectly suits my needs. Give me that and sata/pcie 3 with some logic board improvements and I'll be a happy boy.
 
The Xserve was probably not profitable, considering the support and R&D costs for it. It also cannibalized desktop sales. Notice Apple still sells servers built in Mac Pro cases. Presumably putting resources towards both the Mac Pro and Xserve was less efficient, as well. Read what I read before about opportunity costs. The Xserve merged into the Mac Pro, it wasn't eliminated as a line for nothing. What could the Mac Pro merge into? Nothing at all. That's why the Mac Pro won't be ended.

I would agree, but only in as much as the Xserve not serving a dedicated market that Apple was pushing hard to entire. I think Apple just saw that it couldn't compete in the enterprise space on the support end. Sure, the Xserve wasn't even close to high end, but Apple wanted you to pay out of the nose for support and many times outsourced that support.

A rackmount MacOSX based server solution was sorely missed however, and a Mac Pro just can't cut the mustard in terms of functionality (e.g. being a 1U rack mountable system with redundant hardware for starters). I don't think it was merged with the Mac Pro, it was just canned.

Now, on the Mac Pro side, I would hate to see it go, but Apple's not too far from saying the same thing. The Mac Pro is profitable for Apple, and R&D is pretty cheap since there isn't much to change, but is it more profitable than the iPhone, iPod Touch, iPad, Macbook Air, 13" Macbook Pro, and maybe a handfull of iMacs and Minis?

If Apple axed it, how many would really be upset? How many are dumping their Mac systems for HP and Dell workstations? How many users have already switched to Media Composer, Premier, and Symphony, and don't need a Mac Pro to work on?

That's what I am really worried about when it comes to the future of the Mac Pro.
 
Mate, look at all the leaks that have happened in the last 24 hours. Specs of the new macbook airs/pros and mac pros. Leaks of product listings in Australia. Confirmation of iOS 6 features and mountain lion features. And to add to this, the actual logic board of the macbook pro

ALL of this adds up to way more leaks that happened when Steve was CEO. Dont forget that Cook said he would double down on security ... and look what has happened.

This is coming from a huge apple fanboy btw, i love apple

Leaks have been increasing every year, even while Jobs was alive, as has Apple's share price and the resulting attention they receive, as well as the number of units they produce. All of those factors make it tougher to keep a secret.

Advance knowledge of many announcements has been common for a while now and the iPhone 4 happened under Jobs.

Doubling down on security isn't an overnight process, it's something that takes time, give it a rest with that quote.
 
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