Interesting, you have the audacity to come on here and lecture us about "illegally" downloading ios 7 and the effect that has on developers despite the fact you contribute to the jailbraking community. Jailbraking is one of, if not the most harmful threat facing developers as it allows users to bypass app payments.
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Any and all respectable members of the jailbreak scene go to great lengths to distance themselves from that though. App piracy is an unfortunate byproduct of having root privileges on the device that some less than respectable people have taken advantage of. It is not the purpose of jailbreaking.
First of all, jailbreaking is legal. Secondly, contributing to a developer who is publishing an app/tweak through Cydia and needs some help is not doing anything wrong. I don't support piracy or app piracy through jailbreaking and never have, neither do the developers I've worked with.
Your assumptions and accusations have no validation here.
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Your $99 is not for a Beta firmware - you pay $99 to get a signing certificate to allow you to run your dev code and apps on devices, and then enable you to put your app for sale on the App Store, as the certificate is your licence to trade, so to speak. If the Beta firmware was ALL you got for $99, do you think people would pay it? LOL
Your $99 is not for a Beta firmware - you pay $99 to get a signing certificate to allow you to run your dev code and apps on devices, and then enable you to put your app for sale on the App Store, as the certificate is your licence to trade, so to speak. If the Beta firmware was ALL you got for $99, do you think people would pay it? LOL
For the people who aren't developers, and intend to play around with ios7 for a few days, the Distinction is over the fine. These benefits simply won't apply to them at all!
I think its hilarious that he responded to you that way and somewhat pathetic that you felt the need to post about it.
uhmm... sorry? (confused) - what "fine" are you talking about? It's VERY EASY - you pay $99 or don't pay $99 - Apple do not care, nor do we. Noone has a "right" to Beta firmware - it's there for D_E_V_E_L_O_P_E_R_S to test, not for members of the public to toy around with. Apple's reputation would be ruined if it were a FREE, public Beta - the ignorant would say "THAT'S iOS 7? That's awful - it keeps crashing". When you apply for ADC, you are vetted - it isn't immediate membership (at least it wasn't when I applied, 4 years ago).
Apple have their reasons - you're not entitled to know how, when, where OR why they do what they do - it's their product, their copyright and patents, THEIR decision.
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Do you know how absolutely ridiculous this statement is? In most cases updating an app for compatibility with iOS 7 will not require a monumental amount of effort. I am pretty sure apple will not even push updates until the OS is GM anyway, so for all anyone knows a lot of apps are ready to go right now.
Also I don't presume to know what type of job it is that you have, but I would hazard to guess that you don't live and breath it as you are suggesting the developers do! (Everyone has free time in their life to do things other than work.) -- The fact that you had time to post this insane comment is only proof of that, unless of course your job is a full-time forum troll.
Ease up, judging from past beta cycles apps will be updated, and ready to go on launch day, and if they are not then any negative rating an app gets will be earned.
As far as non devs installing the beta, well to each their own I say. I read the forums every day for the same reason most people watch NASCAR
I am rooting for the missed appointments, the dead batteries in the middle of an important call, and the loss of cherished photos of the people silly enough to use a beta as a daily driver. Does that make me a bad person, perhaps, but I know I am not alone.
You don't seem to understand what figure of speech is...
As it is pretty obvious that you completely missed the point of my past post, I'll explain it to you as simple as possible.
People always complain. There's nothing to do about it, part of human nature. Therefore complaining about complains is utterly a complete waste of time. And in some way more stupid than the original complains.
Enough said.
EDIT. And before you start a non-sequitur argument. Let me state that this isn't a complain. Just pointing a fact.
Hmmm. eBay app was updated today with support for iOS 7.
According to its update notes (which are from July 1st, not today) all it says is "bug fixes". It doesn't say anything about iOS 7.
It's significant that in a thread with over 190 posts, only 24 people bothered to vote in the poll. Part of the reason is that the poll was added late, but I think many people recognize, as I pointed out earlier, that there are way more possible positions on this issue than just the three listed in the poll, and like me, have chosen to ignore the poll as being pointless.
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Yeah, I think the OP's intention was good but the options given weren't the greatest. And as you mentioned, the poll was added quite late to the conversation (and not really needed, in my opinion.)
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According to its update notes (which are from July 1st, not today) all it says is "bug fixes". It doesn't say anything about iOS 7.
Well 3.0.2 was released Jul 2, 2013 (today) in my app store.
Irregardless, yes the release notes say "bug fixes". That bug fix was a crash and/or freeze at startup on iOS 7. Apple may restrict you from stating "iOS 7 Compatibility" but clearly that doesn't stop devs from releasing an update that fixes issues.
Keep in mind we're from different stores (Canada vs. USA).
Of course they don't, but you don't have access to the new API's.. only the ones on iOS 6. And those fixes are really just bandaids and not final solutions, as a lot of API's from iOS 6 will get depreciated (and therefor the app will not function properly in iOS 7 until updated WITH the iOS 7 API's).
Fair enough. But I think your response here sums up a lot of the "attitude" this thread is about. You were fairly dismissive stating the release was "not today" when in fact it was... for me.
I get that. But that wasn't the point. Maybe devs don't want to spend time on a "bandaid" fix simply for users on a beta, but it seems most devs suggest it is impossible to submit an update to fix issues during the beta period.
Didn't mean for it to come off that way, wasn't intentional.
It is impossible to submit an update directly for iOS 7 with the iOS 7 API's during a beta period and have it in the app store for iOS 7 beta users. A lot of the time these bug fixes correct improper code on the prior version of iOS, which may make it more stable in the current beta version of iOS but this is not intentional.
Another issue with a bandaid fix is that it may correct errors in the beta, but break more code in the current stable version of iOS. That is why most apps (if not all) will not get updated (for iOS 7) and actually submitted in the app store until a few days before the GM is expected to be released.
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Ok. That makes sense. But if it doesn't break any current stable version, why not release it? I doubt the fixes will go completely to waste.
Problem is it's very hard to see this coming or to anticipate it 100%, even if we test it as much as possible. With the knowledge that we know API's are being depreciated, applying a fix will most likely make us work a lot harder in improving the application for iOS 7 once those API's are gone. It's adding a lot more work to something that doesn't need it, and we can spend more time polishing the application for iOS 7 with the iOS 7 API's.
Are you sure that's the case? Every tech-related news site has been posting images and impressions of the OS. Apple Insider ran an entire series detailing many of the changes, complete with screenshots from their own devices running iOS 7. If there is *supposed* to be an NDA, the reality is that this beta is very much public in substance, if not form.
The reason I mentioned an NDA specifically is because the copyright law argument for "illegality" would need to be hinged on an argument that non-developers downloading the software are "stealing" the software by installing it. The best arguments in favor of this are the paywall for being a registered developer (which is tenuous because iOS itself is distributed for free to users in exchange for owning a compatible Apple product), or perhaps based upon an argument that it's revealing company secrets (an easy example of this would be, say, someone stealing an early iOS 7 build from Apple before the announcement and distributing it).
I think a reasonable court following the reasoning of most recent copyright cases could very well simplify the issue to be that users installing the beta without proper UDID registration are just bypassing a restriction Apple set out to try to prevent general users from having a bad experience with an unfinished product. And copyright law has nothing to say about such cases, thus nothing "illegal" has been done.
Nothing prevents Apple from refusing to service devices running the beta, of course.
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Yelp released an update today that in the notes mentioned:
"We also got a ton of general improvements out with this release, including some for you eager-beaver iOS7 beta users."
If you had bothered to click on the quote your referring to instead of ignorantly trying to belittle me you would have realised that the quote had nothing to do with me, it was about someone else. I find it sad that you get a kick out of belittling people.
Edit: from the arrogance in your response I assumed you were a kid, I was shocked to read your signature.
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Tbh I think it's about time that this thread gets shut down. The amount of personal attacks coming from both sides of the argument has reached an unacceptable level I think. This is just a beta OS, there's no reason to make snap judgements over a few sentences.
Hmmm. eBay app was updated today with support for iOS 7.
But eBay won't be officially supporting iOS7. More likely a bug was found with it in iOS5 or iOS6 and a happy side effect is that the app works in iOS7 now.
Maybe if Apple wanted to control it then they should only release Beta's to those people who have Apps within the App Store at the time of release of the Beta.
Just a thought!
Just a thought!
Maybe if Apple wanted to control it then they should only release Beta's to those people who have Apps within the App Store at the time of release of the Beta.
Just a thought!
Locks are for honest people.
If you have to torrent a release in order to get it, then it should be clear that Apple does not want you to have it.
Again, everyone is free to make his or her choices, but there should really be no delusions that these betas are intended for anyone other developers.
Saying that Apple must want me to install the beta because the security system in place is just so easy to get around sounds a little silly, yes?
Just saying
I was referring to those who can pay the $99 fee when they aren't a developer. Not those who torrent. That's too naughty for me!